Kacho
Gold Member
So what's the problem?
Valve just quietly redefined what PC gaming can be all while a delusional Microsoft desperately tries to tell everyone their PC is an Xbox
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
RDNA3 is a shocking disappointment.
The problem isn't with me. It's only with the people that will expect too much from a device like this and what it'll do to overall gaming. I like the competition. I've been waiting on Valve to drop their nuts. I just made a post on that today or yesterday funny enough, not knowing this was getting announced.
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Perrott
Member
That's a selling point.
RafterXL
Member
I like Valve as much as the next guy, unless they are PC Gamer apparently, but they didn't redefine anything. Valve made a console for PC games, which doesn't really excite me at all and I can't see anyone who is already a PC gamer wanting this thing. I honestly don't know who this is made for, especially given the terrible specs.
ZehDon
Member
They've offered up Steam Machines before. The OS has been around for years as SteamOS, and decades before as various Linux distros. Their store has been around for decades. There isn't anything particularly interesting about their new Steam Machine except potentially the price. If it's dirt cheap, they may well have something - if it's priced like a traditional console, it's DOA.
Kacho
Gold Member
Who's doing that?
My post you quoted had nothing to do with any of that. Did you just want to get that off your chest or are you swinging at shadows?
ReasonBeing
Member
Without hand tracking, color passthrough, MR capabilities. Not shitting on it, as I like that Valve is participating in the market, just making an observation.
Tams
Member
Lol, wot?
With what looks like a chiropractor's dream controller (for getting new patients), a medicore desktop (ugly to boot), and essentially a poor man's Quest 3 in black...
And that microSD in 2025 when even Nintendo have decided it isn't fast enough for gaming. It's not a Chinese emulation console.
With what looks like a chiropractor's dream controller (for getting new patients), a medicore desktop (ugly to boot), and essentially a poor man's Quest 3 in black...
And that microSD in 2025 when even Nintendo have decided it isn't fast enough for gaming. It's not a Chinese emulation console.
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Horseganador
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Valve doesn't need to deceive its audience like Xbox does; they launch a PC and say it's a PC without problems. Xbox wants to launch a PC with Windows but tries to sell it as a console. In the end, Valve has beaten Microsoft to the punch again.
grvg
Member
GabeCube...
You just sealed the deal for what I will refer to this as, forever. Thank you.
alabtrosMyster
Member
Performance should be similar to this little kit:
If it's affordable it will be a great entry level gaming machine to plug on the TV, with all the benefits of a full desktop machine + an almost console like experience (as much as you can have with Steam OS).
Interesting concept, if anyone can pull this off this is Steam, however an 8GB GPU seems a little too low down the food chain, especially in 2026.
If it's affordable it will be a great entry level gaming machine to plug on the TV, with all the benefits of a full desktop machine + an almost console like experience (as much as you can have with Steam OS).
Interesting concept, if anyone can pull this off this is Steam, however an 8GB GPU seems a little too low down the food chain, especially in 2026.
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ReasonBeing
Member
"4k @ 60fps w/fsr set to ultimate performance and settings set to medium low. "
In all seriousness, Valve may get their PC out first, but MS doesn't seem to be gunning for the low end market with their next devices. In other words, I think making the statement that "Valve beat MS to the punch" is a mischaracterization.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
I see
adamsapple
in this photo!!!My hype for the steam machine died when I read 8gb vram.
Maybe Xbox can do a $1000 variant with 12gb vram and a 4070.
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simpatico
Gold Member
Has everyone taken an honest look at who calls the shots at Microsoft Gaming? Frankly I think they're doing way better than they have any right to. Analyzing the corporate incompetence going on right now will be a college major one day. Sony is not in much better shape on that front, but there's always that hope Sony Japan HQ wakes from their slumber and cleans their house.
It's the timing. And the flood that is coming behind it. Every Zotac, ASUS and OEM in all of East Asia is going to put one of these out.
It's the timing. And the flood that is coming behind it. Every Zotac, ASUS and OEM in all of East Asia is going to put one of these out.
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Majima Everywhere System
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Hey Valve, offer to take only 15% cut on copies that play on Linux/deck/machines.
They could take a real big chunk out of Windows dominance, and make Microsoft sweaty as their OS bloats.
They could take a real big chunk out of Windows dominance, and make Microsoft sweaty as their OS bloats.
Redeeming Casualty
Member
I just love that the console has the same design energy of NEXT computer. Steve Jobs would have been so proud!
Last Hearth
Member
People doubting this machine just think about this: you're a mom about to buy a console for your 13 year old son for Christmas, he loves Call of Duty. You can buy one machine that he has to pay a monthly fee to play COD online, you can buy the other where online play is free. Which do you buy?
kriolo
Member
The one that their friends are playing
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Redefining PC gaming is a low specced box? Some real Valve fan boys in this world.
Topher
Identifies as young
You can upgrade the system RAM and the SSD so "non-upgradeable" isn't quite correct
This is incredibly bad news for the minis forums and Beelink's of the world. A big damn name just dropped into mini PCs. And one thing a lot of people are not realizing, imo, is that just because a PC is marketed as a living room gaming PC, that doesn't mean anyone has to use it as that. That's the prime difference between a console and a PC. You can do whatever the hell you want with a PC. I imagine a number of folks will even install Windows on the thing.
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YeulEmeralda
Linux User
I have a 3k gaming PC and I do all of those things on my phone like a normal person.
It's sounding like it will be in the $800-1,000 range. That's almost double the price of mini PCs that work fine daily drivers. It will likely take a chunk out of the low end gaming market.
Hopefully I'm over estimating the price, but it sounded like it will be more than the current console prices. At $1,000 you can easily get at 5070 system if not something faster that will absolutely smack this in terms of performance.
Last Hearth
Member
It's the same game with cross platform play.
Jinxed
Member
You can stop at you're a mom/dad because they'll never know this shit exists. Do you seriously expect this to sell big numbers at retail stores? lol
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ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
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So no one sees a set up for valve vs epic vs gog vs msft store vs every single launcher. Not including games like lol and future Chinese game stores.
This seems like a future consolidation forming.
This seems like a future consolidation forming.
hououinkyouma00
Member
The one that she can buy in a store or on Amazon. Not the one that's she's never heard of before that she needs a Steam account to purchase and can only buy through Steam itself.
If it's anything like the Deck they will limit new accounts from buying it again as well.
vaibhavpisal
Member
At $500 this will be fine.
Am thinking Valve has gone as cheap as possible (16 gb ram, 8 gb vram, no latest upscaling means no upscaling) etc.
Could be cool for retro gaming etc. But wish it came with Windows so I wouldn't have to install it myself. I would need to access gog etc.
Am thinking Valve has gone as cheap as possible (16 gb ram, 8 gb vram, no latest upscaling means no upscaling) etc.
Could be cool for retro gaming etc. But wish it came with Windows so I wouldn't have to install it myself. I would need to access gog etc.
Laptop1991
Member
PC = Open Source, Steam Box and Xbox etc are consoles with walled off software, so their not the same and the games will have to come along with it other wise they will fail like the Dreamcast did, here's hoping for Half Life 3.
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kevboard
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and that right there is potentially a HUGE issue.
also you are missing Valorant and essentially every EA game, such as Battlefield 6
I think this is less of an issue on the Steam Deck, because at that power profile, and on those handheld controls it's not that amazing to compete with people using proper controllers or a mouse.
I have played Apex Legends (back when it was still supported on Linux) on the Deck, and while it ran at 60~90fps, the bulkiness, the sticks and the bumpers alone made it hard to keep up with other players.
but on a Console/PC on a monitor, with a proper controller and/or mouse, these games are far more playable and more likely to be in demand by people buying a console/pc hybrid box thingy.
so you'd either need to switch and install Windows, or dual-boot windows for it to play some of the biggest PC games currently available.
not being able to play Fortnite, Apex, Battlefield and Call of Duty is a dealbreaker for many I bet.
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Insanemaelstrom
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Personally, I believe the next Xbox will still end up selling better than the steam machine, mostly by casuals who are going to assume it is the next Xbox console.
Plus, steamachine and next Xbox seems almost complementary? Steam machine is targetting people who used low level hardware and game at 1080p( 30% still have a rtx 3060 or lower, if I remember correctly).
Magnus seems to be targetting mid to high end market.
Plus, steamachine and next Xbox seems almost complementary? Steam machine is targetting people who used low level hardware and game at 1080p( 30% still have a rtx 3060 or lower, if I remember correctly).
Magnus seems to be targetting mid to high end market.
existensmaximum
Member
The cheapest one.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
As a PC gamer it's just not really a product I need, nor the controller. I think mouse and keyboard are such a huge advantage and make games more fun to me personally. Same with like… alt-tabbing and googling shit or watching a video real quick lol
I'm not really convinced there's this big market of people wanting PC consoles.
I'm not really convinced there's this big market of people wanting PC consoles.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
One might say that Total Addressable Market for a non-upgradable PC running BSD based OS is at least 100million!
coffinbirth
Member
LMAO, you do realize that you can't play Call of Duty on Steam OS right?
kevboard
Member
lol, this thing can't even play CoD
Cyberpunkd
Member
SteamOS is a game changer for making OC gaming more approachable. Ask anyone who has a Steam Deck, the experience of almost seamless if you don't go into Desktop mode.
Cyberpunkd
Member
It looks to me like that's not the only game being released = there is a market for other games. I don't think your hardcore COD squad is really into cRPGs or platformers.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
The coping from media is crazy. It's a shitty laptop in a box. Can't play modern games at native res tons of fsr needed to get 1440p 60ps, which is console quality btw now. 8gb video card. If it sold at 399.99 it might be a good deal but from all I seen it's basically better to get any modern laptop and install steam.
Dr. Suchong
Member
What a bunch of Dorks.
coffinbirth
Member
He used CoD as an example, dumbass.
Cyberpunkd
Member
No he did not, he uses it as an example that everyone and their mom wants to play COD. Guess what? PC has 30 years of exclusive software not available on consoles, but you don't see that argument being used?
coffinbirth
Member
Learn how to read.
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