djjinx2
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If it's a PC just install Linux OR even SteamOS? Right?You mean an underpowered cube PC with windows?
Valve just quietly redefined what PC gaming can be all while a delusional Microsoft desperately tries to tell everyone their PC is an Xbox
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Seomel
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Big thing here is - its Linux machine. Steam deck has amazing compactibilty (minus some kernel level anti cheat games) and you are getting that, with deticated steam os - no windows bullshit, linux desktop(option likely to dual boot if you want). It will all fall down on price, if they get it right. Windows is plague to gaming unironically, so valve is heading right direction
//DEVIL//
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Sorry, I am not following. Linux machine ? you know you can have that on your PC in an hour right ?
Fuck even the PS3 had Linux. Not really sure how is this a big deal.
on the other hand. As you mentioned, you can't run a single big multiplayer game on this thing without getting banned to hell and back and probably hardware ban too because linux.
For single-player games that are actually compatible with Linux, it's fine. Probably better than the PC version too under the same specs. but for everything else? not really.
Most of the games I play regularly are multiplayer games. This steam machine to me is basically a retro device with some decent new games ( not heavy demanding games either unless your eyes wanna bleed with 720p or below even for a base frame upscaled to 4k with low graphics settings and FSR3 on performance for extra blidness. otherwise you ain't getting shit with that GPU and weak CPU.
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Seomel
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Most people wont bother to install and setup linux on their pcs. Thats the thing. Im not expecting this to replace some people whole pcs, but like said for right price it can be really solid companion for like living room or if you are on the move. You could still stream mp games from your main pc, play or emulate other titles natively and so on. Also like its only 155x156mm cube. Thats neat af
yurinka
Member
They didn't redefine a shit, lol. They just made a mini pc.
And will sell just a few million units, like the Steamdeck or the previous Steam Machines.
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Mister Wolf
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Just use Steam Big Picture Mode.
Heisenberg007
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Microsoft kept shouting about what they are going to do, trying to convince everyone that their new devices are going to be revolutionary - without, of course, actually releasing anything yet.
Valve kept quite and then showed us 3 actual, awesome products on a random Wednesday.
"Barking dogs seldom bite."
Valve kept quite and then showed us 3 actual, awesome products on a random Wednesday.
"Barking dogs seldom bite."
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Cyberpunkd
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True, but what people having Deck will tell you is- the SteamOS experience is seamless and leagues ahead of Windows. It is really almost console-like. I admit even on Game mode some people might be annoyed by some tweaking e.g. choosing the right Proton version but this almost exclusively applies to really old games. I think if someone wants to play Thief The Dark Project they are ok with having to put in the work a bit (which 99% of the time takes 5 minutes or less).
//DEVIL//
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The right price for this 8gb box should be 300$ max. The price will end up 500$ base ( that is what I believe ).
This is really a weak PC with parts that can't be upgraded, just like a weak laptop without a monitor.
It should act fine as a powerful retro device. some recent games that are not demanding at all ( Street Fighter, Silksong, and the like ).
But the minute someone thinks this will be a great console experience compared to the PS5 ( which is more powerful than this btw, and that thing is 5 years old and 400$ ? )
IF you have a decent steam library and you just want something under the TV to play these games because you cant pass a long HDMI cable from your PC to your TV or you are not into streaming ( even though moonlight and sunshine streaming for PC inside the house is fantastic ), then this device is for you.
At the end of the day, Steam has its fans ( I am one of them when it comes to their client on PC at least ), so I am sure this will sell a decent number. and I hope it does, this will pressure MS to do better windows. But honestly, this is nothing special, and it can't even play any of the big online multiplayer games which is all what 90% of the kids do these days.
Kupfer
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98% (ok maybe more like 90%) of PC gamer never upgrade their hardware anyway. This forum is not mirroring reality, this is a bubble of people who are enthusiasts.
And even here, some people seem to love the idea of a consoleised computer, like me.
I have the deck since day 1 and I'm still playing on that machine. Is it powerful? Nope. But it's convenient as fuck and it's really fun to tinker around with it. SteamOS is such a nice OS, im glad it finds a wider audience.
I just bought a new PC, but if that wouldn't have been the case, this machine would have 100% replaced my old i3770 + 1070ti computer for sure.
Right now I'm interested in the frame.
I have the PSVR2 with the computer adapter and I like it, but the nature of plug and play and being able to use the frame standalone is really appealing to me. Also the feature complete controller, unlike the PSVR2 ones
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DenchDeckard
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I love me some Valve but this isn't powerful enough for me.
Seems pretty well designed but for my use case, this isn't an option. I'd advise just building a small form factor pc inside a fractal terra or something.
Seems pretty well designed but for my use case, this isn't an option. I'd advise just building a small form factor pc inside a fractal terra or something.
Mister Wolf
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Big Picture Mode is the same exact UI. Im using it right now with an Xbox ROG Ally X when i feel like it. Was using SteamOS with an Lenovo Legion Go. Same exact UI.
Kumomeme
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it launch and run with Steam OS. unless someone install window on it later which is still debatable.
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Negotiator101
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I'm sure Nadella is shaking in his boots.
CrazyJoeDavola
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Wich Valve devices have directly competed with Microsoft devices for you to make that kind of blanket statement? Magnus is rumoured to be 1200 dollars. Its a niche device just like Steam Machine. Except a lot more expensive
DenchDeckard
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Completely different time. Linux did not have the support that it does now. Plus steam is HUGE now. I see this thing selling between 5 to 10 million for valve and being a success leading to more products.
coffinbirth
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People that think this is redefining anything might be retarded.
SteamOS makes sense for handheld gaming, but next to none for desktop or living room gaming....unless you just dislike compatibility.
SteamOS makes sense for handheld gaming, but next to none for desktop or living room gaming....unless you just dislike compatibility.
pudel
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dual booting will be quite limited on the small box with 512gb. You either need the big one with 2TB or slap an extra SSD on it.
I think he means in general judging by the use of the word "devices":
For example xbox series has sold ~30M but Steamdeck is still under 10M and gets praised in gaming discourse, Valves first generation steam machines failed to sell too and this is the next attempt at that which I hope does better. In fact this appears to be a second attempt with what looks like a new iteration of the Brix Pro Steam Machine of the past:
What he says about this device is likely to be true too; Magnus might outsell this device (very likely in fact at launch since there are still a large amount of diehard xbox fans who don't seem to care about what's happening over there) and Magnus is a direct competitor to this Valve device. So yeah, PCGamer lambasting xbox like Valve has done better in this space is a little uncalled for. Windows/xbox store? sure have at it MS/xbox are doing terrible compared to Valve but xbox is leading Valve in "devices" without a doubt. Valve still needs to prove itself in this space.
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Elginer
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Basically my thoughts. Don't get how some are fawning over what is a weak pc in a small atx case. Hell I've had that in my living room for years. This thing is severely memory starved for anything over 1080p at a decent frame rate in major games, hell my main setup has 32gb of just system memory alone. If priced right this will have itself a nice little market but a I don't see it being any power users that want what's in my opinion one of the best parts of pc gaming which is the ability to constantly upgrade and tweak on what's a hardware set box.
You can install what you like, this is a quote from the product page:
"Yes, Steam Machine is optimized for gaming, but it's still your PC. Install your own apps, or even another operating system. Who are we to tell you how to use your computer?"
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
I play a lot of Japanese games and those devs can barely get Windows right I don't expect them to support Linux.
CrazyJoeDavola
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I think he means in general judging by the use of the word "devices":
For example xbox series has sold ~30M but Steamdeck is still under 10M and gets praised in gaming discourse, Valves first generation steam machines failed to sell too and this is the next attempt at that which I hope does better. In fact this appears to be a second attempt with what looks like a new iteration of the Brix Pro Steam Machine of the past:
What he says about this device is likely to be true too; Magnus might outsell this device (very likely in fact at launch since there are still a large amount of diehard xbox fans who don't seem to care about what's happening over there) and Magnus is a direct competitor to this Valve device. So yeah, PCGamer lambasting xbox like Valve has done better in this space is a little uncalled for. Windows/xbox store? sure have at it MS/xbox are doing terrible compared to Valve but xbox is leading Valve in "devices" without a doubt. Valve still needs to prove itself in this space.
Sure but Xbox devices are consoles. Steam Deck is a PC. There is no cross over between the user bases. Someone with 100+ games on Xbox isnt buying a Steam Deck and start over and vice versa.
And based on how shitty Xbox Rog Ally was, i think the die hard Xbox fans will be in for a rude awakening when they push start on their "console" and realize its the same Windows turd with AI slop and telemetry and not really a console like their Xbox Series X
I dont think Steam Machine will sell great since its a niche device thats only sold on Valves website. But Magnus is the same niche device except 2x more expensive with a much worse software experience when it comes to being "console like"
Seomel
Member
Literally non issue. It supports ssd up to 2280 and you can get 2tb for 80-90 bucks these days for whoever wants more storage
Majukun
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Valve didn't redefine shit.
Unless steam machines are priced very competitively, which I doubt they will, they will be the same as the previous steam machines, a fusion of pc and consoles that gives you the worst aspects of both worlds.
The console model works because of scale, they can be priced (relatively) cheap because mass produced, and optimization due to a single configuration.
Games for a steam machine will still need to run on all pcs, so target optimization is not a thing (best they can do is suggested settings), and they are not going to be produced at a scale high enough for price to go down.
If somehow they do, then it will be a different tune, but mini pcs have been a thing for ages, same goes for steam big.
I can already make my steam machine if I want to.
Unless steam machines are priced very competitively, which I doubt they will, they will be the same as the previous steam machines, a fusion of pc and consoles that gives you the worst aspects of both worlds.
The console model works because of scale, they can be priced (relatively) cheap because mass produced, and optimization due to a single configuration.
Games for a steam machine will still need to run on all pcs, so target optimization is not a thing (best they can do is suggested settings), and they are not going to be produced at a scale high enough for price to go down.
If somehow they do, then it will be a different tune, but mini pcs have been a thing for ages, same goes for steam big.
I can already make my steam machine if I want to.
pudel
Gold Member
Yep...just saying the internal hard drive with 512gb is also rather on the very low end and you might want/need to expand it.
Kumomeme
Member
yes thats what i mean. the debatable part is about wether you device is still indeed considered Xbox even after you installed Window on it.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
You really don't like this Steam Machine, do you?
I think it's perfect. If priced correctly, it's a perfect way for people to transition into PC gaming.
Also looks beautiful as well. Iconic
Orbital2060
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Dumbass site.
Long Far Gone
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Agreed. Console-esque PC's encompass this strange hybrid that cannot effectively meet either requirements; if a user wants a console it will quickly become obsolete as game requirements rapidly inflate, if a user wants a PC, you cannot upgrade or multi-task, negating the entire purpose.
If you want a console gaming experience, buy a PS5.
Prefer PC gaming? Buy a PC.
The Steam Controller, Steam Deck, and Steam Frame will have legs, undoubtedly, they look absolutely fantastic, but the Steam Machine is DoA unless proven otherwise.
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dgrdsv
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Valve "quietly" redefined what PC gaming can be when they've launched Steam for PC back in 2003 and kept on improving the platform since then to the point where nothing is even remotely close to it now in features.
And Steam Machine didn't and won't redefine pretty much anything about PC gaming. SFF low end PCs are not new, running them under some "big picture" UI isn't new, and even SteamOS being used successfully isn't new cause that happened with Deck.
And Steam Machine didn't and won't redefine pretty much anything about PC gaming. SFF low end PCs are not new, running them under some "big picture" UI isn't new, and even SteamOS being used successfully isn't new cause that happened with Deck.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Microsoft fans would froth at the mouth. They would call it revolutionary and claim it's a historical, earth shattering moment in gaming.
Time magazine would also award invention of the year.
hououinkyouma00
Member
This is what I've done for awhile. My pc logs in automatically without a password and steam is set to open at login and into BPM. I also move my pc between my desk and tv depending on game (90% desk) so it's much easier. I just turn it on and turn my controller on about 15 seconds later or just use the mouse in BPM.
I originally was going to format one of the drives in my pc and install Bazzite but I don't really like the idea of dual booting. Battlefield is my most played game on PC by far so until they get anti cheat working, I'll have to stick with windows and try my best to just never have to look at it.
If the Steam Machine is priced right it'll be a dedicated TV device so I wouldn't need to worry about Battlefield since I play MKB and own it on PS5 as well if I wanna play with controller.
PhillMeCream
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can you upgrade the ram on the steam machine?
ByWatterson
Member
I think that's basically right. The people excited about this are the exact opposite of the intended customer, who wants simplicity.
This will likely have few of the true benefits of PC and almost all of the problems with consoles. I don't get it.
pudel
Gold Member
Doesnt look like it has much space for bigger stuff. Its the same problem you have with laptops ie.
Bry0
Member
Exactly what I've been saying. If MS doesn't get their sht together valve will start to eat their lunch. MS is too comfy in windows world, and I love watching them scramble after the steam deck. The thing is, they have responded with too little too late, valve can leverage open source and move very fast. MS should try hiring, yknow, gamers, instead of having mbas and marketers run Xbox. It's very clear they are trying to convince us of what we want instead of delivering what we actually want.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Yes, but it's not that easy to do so.
While it's possible to swap out the SODIMM memory modules for increased system RAM, only the SSD is easily upgradable.
Hands-On with Steam Machine: Valve's New PC/Console Hybrid
An irresistible form-factor, but what about performance?
www.digitalfoundry.net
hououinkyouma00
Member
RAM or VRAM? They said yes to RAM. It's Sodimm and harder to get to then changing the SSD but it's possible.
Being Valve I'm sure they will release a video prior to launch showing you how to do it like they did with the Steam Deck.
MisterXDTV
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Truthtellers
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Valve made a console*
Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
If MS loses gaming majority to linux/steamOS, i'll switch to linux and just use open office or something. I only use my PC these days for gaming and bills.
So I just need gaming, spreadsheets, and web browser.
So I just need gaming, spreadsheets, and web browser.
vodka-bull
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My XSX was in its Box a few months after its launch. So I'd call 2 years a progress.I know it's easy to pick on microsoft/xbox but the steam machine looks like a piece of junk honestly. RDNA 3 is disgusting and the specs are somewhere between a series S and series X which is eww considering they wanna price this thing as a PC. I think this thing is going to crash and burn and it'll be a novelty item that is sitting on people's shelves or in a box 2 years after launch.
PlayStaytion
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An amateurs' conclusion, still too early to draw conclusions about Valve cause Gabe from the beginning being an amateur and it's not a surprise his sheep behaving the same way he do.
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