Jinzo Prime
Member
Your opinion is so important that it couldn't be written in the other 4 threads about this game? Come on, dude it is even out yet!
Robb
Gold Member
I would assume so, but I haven't seen any credits.
There were a lot of chefs involved with this one though. Apparently all of these studios were involved with development of Metroid Prime 4:
- Retro Studios
- Next Level Games
- Virtuos
- Territory Studio
- Waterproof
- Keywords Studios
- Liquid Development
- Volta
- AMC Studio
- GameSim
- Smoking Gun Interactive
- Forge Studios
- Red Hot CG
- Original Force
- Devoted Studios
- Room 8 Studio
- Next Gen Dreams
- Mock Science
- Cup of Tea
- Formosa Interactive
- House of Moves
Hudo
Member
Holy moly.
kiphalfton
Member
Keyword being "few".
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I wonder how many are working on just assets and how many did work for the original version of MP4 that Retro rebooted. Otherwise… that is a recipe for painful development
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Trogdor1123
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John Bilbo
Member
Old does not mean bad.
Iteration and innovation can improve on the original concept without changing or giving up on what makes the original work.
Iteration and innovation can improve on the original concept without changing or giving up on what makes the original work.
touchfuzzy
Member
I haven't even played the same for myself yet man so I dunno. Any one review is just one person, you need to play it yourself.
Look at this guy, he says it's amazing. What makes him wrong and other people right?
www.pcmag.com
Look at this guy, he says it's amazing. What makes him wrong and other people right?
Metroid Prime 4: Beyond on Switch 2 Is an Instant Classic—and My Top Game of the Year
Gorgeous, highly entertaining, and a thrill to unravel, Metroid Prime 4: Beyond on Switch 2 is the best single-player shooter in years and a triumph for gaming's coolest heroine.
AREYOUOKAY?
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It doesn't matter to these console warriors. That 5 out of 5 is a 2 out of 5 because of an imaginary Nintendo bonus that's somehow exclusive to games on Nintendo consoles.
But wait these low scoring from the start obvious clickbait reviews which are the only ones acceptable to them also get that bonus so they also get lowered even more.
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AngelMuffin
Member
Yeah, I'm with you. For how long this thing was in development, the overall size of the game just doesn't match the hype. It plays great and it's super polished, but it definitely feels smaller and kind of sped-up in spots. Like Retro nailed the classic Prime feel, but the whole package doesn't have that big "AAA, years-in-the-making" vibe people expected. It almost comes off a little rushed, even though the quality is there.
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
I get why people are disappointed with Prime 4. It's not a long game — which is fine to me if it avoids filler — but the bigger issue is that the series' ideas haven't really evolved in nearly two decades. That's hard to overlook, and it reinforces the feeling that Nintendo doesn't know how to handle Metroid outside of 2D.
I also hope Retro doesn't take on another Metroid after this. They're clearly not the same studio they once were. Prime 4 seems fine overall, but I'd honestly rather see Retro focus on HD remakes for the rest of the generation. Give them projects like Mario Baseball, 1080° Snowboarding, Wave Race — something smaller, focused, and easier to deliver
I also hope Retro doesn't take on another Metroid after this. They're clearly not the same studio they once were. Prime 4 seems fine overall, but I'd honestly rather see Retro focus on HD remakes for the rest of the generation. Give them projects like Mario Baseball, 1080° Snowboarding, Wave Race — something smaller, focused, and easier to deliver
Hero_Select
Member
Just 100% the game. I enjoyed it quite a bit ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It has it's faults. 8/10 seems right on point for the game.
It has it's faults. 8/10 seems right on point for the game.
tkscz
Member
The score on metacritic is an 8/10, an 8 is not "okay enough" and I'm not sure why so many hardcore gamers think this. It's funny you say it influences normies but you don't think normies would see an 80/100 and think "Wow that's a really good score". Normies still considering a 65 good enough.
Metroid was NEVER a big seller. The best selling game in the series is Metroid Dread and it only sold 3 million copies. Even if this game was a 10/10, it still wouldn't help the sells. Japan never buys Metroid games so that market is already going to be dry.
Jsisto
Member
Man, a Wave Race with modern graphics would be amazing.
Lokaum D+
Member
Every Prime game should try to be better than prime one, If you want an action/adventure game like this one dont use Prime on the name.
If this game was named Metroid Viewros and advertised as a new take on the Metroid games pushing more action/adventure and less exploration/puzzle solving i wouldnt be that disapointed with the game.
If this game was named Metroid Viewros and advertised as a new take on the Metroid games pushing more action/adventure and less exploration/puzzle solving i wouldnt be that disapointed with the game.
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DaleinCalgary
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Me too, but not at that price.
kpopSuperstar
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Hero_Select
Member
It's probably one of the better ones to jump into for first timers honestly. This or Metroid Prime Remaster (which you can get for $40)
Kuwitzzer
Member
This is such a defeatist mindset. Yeah this series is never popular, why even try? Why do we even try anything at all? Why did Nintendo bother to make Metroid Prime 4? We already had Super Metroid, Fusion, Metroid Prime 1, 2 and 3. Nintendo has no faith in this series, so fuck them for that. It's almost like they knew Prime 4 would flop so they just ditched the marketing entirely.
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Lokaum D+
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If you like metroidvania, exploration, puzzle solving, backtracking and enviroment story telling / lore Prime Remastered is the game for you.
If you like more linear experience with easy puzzle solving and more modern story telling Prime 4 is the game for you.
Both have very similar gameplay combat, but the core gameplay loop is way too diferent, but my recomendation would be MPR over MP4 every day of the year and its not even close.
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Memati187
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This game was primed more than the chick next door.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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*Spoilers*
It's painfully clear playing this that the Retro that made Metroid Prime 1 is not the same studio that made this game. This pattern has happened to so many of my once favorite developers and it's the same thing here. I could've lived with the open world bike area if it was more interesting from both a visual and exploration standpoint, or if they retained the fantastic metroidvania design that both Nintendo and the series is known for but alas, they clearly weren't capable of that.
I'm only up to the Fire/volcano zone but so far very little leading up to this feels like a metroidvania, let alone something of Metroid Prime 1 and 2s quality. There are hints of it in between the confusing and disjointed first few hours, but if the Volt Forge is the best the level design is going to get then we're in trouble. It's a good level on its own merits but way too linear and predictable for a metroidvania area.
Something seemed off about this game from the very first reveal if we're being honest. Intro was great and had me pumped but literally as soon as NPC guy started talking the game got worse! Then the game became so confused with itself! Here me out- we get transported to a new area right after the Fury Green level felt like it should be opening up. It felt like it was just getting started...but with no context we get "transported" and now im at the desert and then I'm in the Volt Forge. OK then. Volt Forge was pretty good. Too linear but the boss fights were fun and it was a neat level with some classic Metroid Prime goodness mixed in. Now Im told by the game "you can explore areas in any order you want" Cool, so I do just that and go to the ice level only to realize that not only can I not progress until I get a new ability but that it's a complete dead end until I do so. Not even a few rooms of exploration until I'm blocked from progressing.
So you go back out to the desert and go to the Volcano area, which is the only real option at this point. I do a little exploration, get the item I need and then the game gives no hints or context as to what to do next....so eventually I go back to my bike and only then we're told we have to go all the way back to Fury Green to have it installed ...no flow so far just padding. Confusing progresion and design.
It's painfully clear playing this that the Retro that made Metroid Prime 1 is not the same studio that made this game. This pattern has happened to so many of my once favorite developers and it's the same thing here. I could've lived with the open world bike area if it was more interesting from both a visual and exploration standpoint, or if they retained the fantastic metroidvania design that both Nintendo and the series is known for but alas, they clearly weren't capable of that.
I'm only up to the Fire/volcano zone but so far very little leading up to this feels like a metroidvania, let alone something of Metroid Prime 1 and 2s quality. There are hints of it in between the confusing and disjointed first few hours, but if the Volt Forge is the best the level design is going to get then we're in trouble. It's a good level on its own merits but way too linear and predictable for a metroidvania area.
Something seemed off about this game from the very first reveal if we're being honest. Intro was great and had me pumped but literally as soon as NPC guy started talking the game got worse! Then the game became so confused with itself! Here me out- we get transported to a new area right after the Fury Green level felt like it should be opening up. It felt like it was just getting started...but with no context we get "transported" and now im at the desert and then I'm in the Volt Forge. OK then. Volt Forge was pretty good. Too linear but the boss fights were fun and it was a neat level with some classic Metroid Prime goodness mixed in. Now Im told by the game "you can explore areas in any order you want" Cool, so I do just that and go to the ice level only to realize that not only can I not progress until I get a new ability but that it's a complete dead end until I do so. Not even a few rooms of exploration until I'm blocked from progressing.
So you go back out to the desert and go to the Volcano area, which is the only real option at this point. I do a little exploration, get the item I need and then the game gives no hints or context as to what to do next....so eventually I go back to my bike and only then we're told we have to go all the way back to Fury Green to have it installed ...no flow so far just padding. Confusing progresion and design.
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
Wait, I thought people here relished short games? Not cinematic enough?
_Ex_
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No, but he was heavily involved with Other M.
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SantaC
Member
also super metroid you know
Hudo
Member
And also in Metroid, Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, Metroid Zero Mission, Metroid: Samus Returns and Metroid Dread
Signalis
Member
Metroid Prime 4 is something many people have been looking forward to for a long long time, not matter what the devs did, it would never live up to the hype. I think that's the same situation with Half-Life 3. I got MP4 on Switch 1 but haven't started it yet, still busy with something else. But I am tempering my expectations. Still looking forward to playing it regardless
Hero_Select
Member
The fifth area is the most disappointing one by far and I genuinely think they were running out of time to finish the game.
I wouldn't go as far to say that Retro is fully to blame though - Tropical Freeze is one of the best platformers out there. This game had had a troubled development, if Retro were working on it from the beginning who knows how it might have turned out.
That being said, again, I think 8/10 is an entirely fair score for the game and I hope there's more 3D Metroid in the future because there's just not quite anything like it out there.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Check out Prey (2017) if you haven't.
Not strictly Metroid Prime, but can work for you. More open ended, freedom.
Equally good level design, if not better. Better atmosphere too. Worse gameplay, but is an IM Sim, you can get creative.
Robb
Gold Member
I guess more info regarding its development will get revealed over time.
But my understanding is that RETRO has been working on it from the beginning in the sense that the project was re-started in 2019 and the previous version was completely scrapped.
It didn't sound like RETRO were handed a basket full of half-baked ideas that the prior team had come up with. They got to start over and do their own thing and were given a 7-year development cycle to do so.
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WhiteWaterM00se
Member
I don't think retro is capable of huge new AAA games at this time. Not under a 4 year dev cycle.
Which is why I would like to see them focus on HD remakes for a while. Give them a break and let the studio see what it is today, and not of yesteryear.
Hero_Select
Member
It was Bandai Namco Singapore (The same studio Nintendo just bought) that was working on the game before it restarted development. I'd be curious to know if Retro had to start from scratch or start work with what was already created.
Ryu_Joestar
Member
They should have taken more inspiration by Prime 1, Dark Souls (huge interconnected area) and less from God of War (2018), Ragnarok (giant hub which connects to separate areas, and characters who won't shut up giving you hints you didn't ask for)
Robb
Gold Member
Yeah, in the video Nintendo posted regarding the delay back then they said:
So it doesn't sound like they were bogged down by any prior issues (which I think makes sense if you're going to re-start the project).
But it'd be very interesting to get some interviews with RETRO and hear more. Or even get some leaks from the Bandai Namco version at some point.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Gonna have to disagree on both counts. It is clumsy in control and general design. Somewhat of a bore to go through the story, completely uninteresting to freely explore. It is well behind every major name in the adventure shooter genre. Games have been substantially better than this for at least 15 years. It is a 6 at best.
I mean to really make my point, you can go all the way back to Resistance 2 and it makes this game look like a joke.
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Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
I am also oldish. It is my 30 years of experience with the genre that informs my evaluation of the game.
corgiix3
Member
Equally good? Prey level design literally obliterates metroid prime 4. Metroid prime 4 cant even reach the quality of preys farts
vaibhavpisal
Member
I was comparing it to MP1.
Both games are peak IMO. Considering MP1 has great interconnected feeling, also an element of surprise.
StueyDuck
Member
hopefully now nintendo will give up on their foolish dreams of a metroid future and finally give the people what they want....
a Star Fox Adventures 2... developed by From Software. (interconnected world design akin to Bloodborne and the Souls franchise, try create a Zelda style adventure experience since they refuse to make a proper zelda game)
a Star Fox Adventures 2... developed by From Software. (interconnected world design akin to Bloodborne and the Souls franchise, try create a Zelda style adventure experience since they refuse to make a proper zelda game)
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Low 80s isn't average you retard. Neither is a 75.
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
For modern reviews, it's mid 70s means average, nothing special and 80 is just a tad better.
Don't forget that we have a huge review score inflation. You almost never see like 5/10 or lower.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
The game is fine, but not amazing. More hand holdy than I would prefer. Nintendo has gotten to the point where they will not let the player figure it out. Original Metroid you were just in a corridor and they forced you to get the morph ball but after that you were on your own. New Metroid you have other characters to talk to, and they are fine. Dread was really good, this one is OK.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
I also don't understand those considering this a technical marvel. Yes, 4k 60fps HDR is nice but the assets, animation, and interactivity are positively ancient. I guess the effort that goes into AAA games really is wasted if so many people can't see this.
