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Delta Force to Maduro:
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Topher said:
Seems Trump did what JFK didn't have the balls to do. My take is there is one less dictator in the world today and that's a good thing.
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Or finishing what JFK tried to do before they took his close friend's (JFK Jr) father and then uncle out.
 
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A shame all these shithole kinds of countries (as Trump would put it) have such corrupt governments. Then pending the country have a tons of their own citizens towing the same line of hate, violent religion etc...

So many countries in the world have such great stashes of natural resources of oil, wood, agriculture, precious metals etc... Heck, if the country has a big coastline, their fishing industry and ports (for trade and tourism) will surely be big too.

All you got to do is have a decent gov who can organize extraction of resources and collect the taxes. All the dirty work will be done by private companies. A single gov worker doesnt even have to get involved with chopping down one tree or filling one barrel of oil. Let the businesses do all the hassles.

Then use those hoards of taxes to prop up society with gov services, schools, healthcare etc... And this will promote a good economy and society where people will see the light and strive for better education and careers too. And the more you do that, the lower crime you should get as people are self sufficient with their own job. Think of it like Steam. You got tons of resources of devs doing the grunt work making games. Sit back, collect the royalty cut and then spend back to make the system better for gamers (citizens). And then any leftover funds, you bank it for a rainy day or pay workers big salaries and pensions to keep the cycle going. It's not hard to understand.

Venezuela and Iran have got to be the posterboys for the biggest screw ups in the world comparing piles of resources vs. quality if life. But thats what you get with sketchy governments. You got countries in the world like Singapore which had nothing but a small plot of land along the water, but turned their economy into something great by focusing on business, education, trade and ports and making sure authorities dont let people get out of hand do stupid things. Voila. Big improvement.
 
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Revolutionary said:
Going through that thread from the beginning and I'm dying of laughter :messenger_grinning_smiling:

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And Banned

That place is truly scary, people like to joke about TDS and I'm not a fan of Trumps attitude but the total inability to look at every action individually and then judge ... like I said its scary.
 
Toons said:
Well it doesn't bit it SHOULD.

Actions like this even if it removes one dictator weakens the concept of it. And that leads to more invasions, more wars and more death down the line
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"International Law" as a concept is an extension of United States hegemony. People who believe otherwise are confused by the origins of the peace and stability the US has guaranteed in the post-WW2 era. It's not from a piece of paper.
 
DeepEnigma said:
kiDnApPeD alEAdEr , sOvErEiGn

He was a commie shitbag dictator and the Cartel de la Soles narco leader.

He was not legitimate nor duly elected. Mexico looks nice right about now with their cartel puppet who's been killing her political opposition, up to 16 now I think(?)

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Not the only dictator in the world. It's not our job to cleanse this world of dictators. Especially not without congressional approval. This is some dictator type shit itself. How do you not see this? Have we learned nothing from the iraq war?
 
Toons said:
Well it doesn't bit it SHOULD.

Actions like this even if it removes one dictator weakens the concept of it. And that leads to more invasions, more wars and more death down the line
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That's the thing. International law was created precisely to put some semblance of order in international affairs rather than countries just using their military might against each other.

Which could be a good thing when you're taking out an objectively bad guy, like Maduro, but not so much otherwise. Be careful what you wish for, as they say, since unintended consequences aren't far off.
 
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EviLore said:
"International Law" as a concept is an extension of United States hegemony. People who believe otherwise are confused by the origins of the peace and stability the US has guaranteed in the post-WW2 era. It's not from a piece of paper.
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All the more reason we need cooler heads running this country, not impulsive reactionary ones.

Because the next guys gonna have to clean up the aftermath regardless and that means less being done to improve lives for Americans.

This is one of those situations I think that is a short term positive. It took out a dictator but it's significantly weakening that soft concept in the long term. I hope I'm wrong tho
 
SlimySnake said:
Not the only dictator in the world. It's not our job to cleanse this world of dictators. Especially not without congressional approval. This is some dictator type shit itself. How do you not see this? Have we learned nothing from the iraq war?
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The US is not declaring war on Venezuela. That's what would require Congressional approval.
 
Toons said:
Well it doesn't bit it SHOULD.

Actions like this even if it removes one dictator weakens the concept of it. And that leads to more invasions, more wars and more death down the line
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Yeah, unfortunately this is the downward trajectory because of ill-timed actions like these. It not only weakens the country of the party invaded but also weakens America and capitalism. Acts like these deter other countries from cooperating, raising local prices and making socialism look more approachable in the U.S.
 
SlimySnake said:
Not the only dictator in the world. It's not our job to cleanse this world of dictators. Especially not without congressional approval. This is some dictator type shit itself. How do you not see this? Have we learned nothing from the iraq war?
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It actually is tho. As long as you're depended on our foreign aide and protection, you play by our rules. Especially when you oppress your own people, neighbors, work with our enemies (Russia, China, etc), meddle in elections (you just wait) and flood the nation with biowarfare (drugs).

As established since post-WW2 era below.

EviLore said:
"International Law" as a concept is an extension of United States hegemony. People who believe otherwise are confused by the origins of the peace and stability the US has guaranteed in the post-WW2 era. It's not from a piece of paper.
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EviLore said:
"International Law" as a concept is an extension of United States hegemony. People who believe otherwise are confused by the origins of the peace and stability the US has guaranteed in the post-WW2 era. It's not from a piece of paper.
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This is exactly correct.

The rest of the world exists, as it does, because the United States allows it to exist.

This is the only international law.
 
Toons said:
All the more reason we need cooler heads running this country, not impulsive reactionary ones.
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If he had lost the "cooler heads" solution would be endless unvetted immigration as if everyone on earth is a good person who belongs in our society, so long as they vote dem.
 
President Trump is going to run it as a province for the time being. Broader military action still in the chamber if required.
 
idk about international law, but typically when we say the U.S. violated international law, that also coincides typically with some U.S. law or treaty we are party to or some other constitutional issue. So it really doesn't matter.
 
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Unknown Soldier said:
Fun fact: This scene is actually almost word for word from the book, although Hiroshima was substituted for Carthage. Kind of gives you a look into how Hollywood thinks when adapting things, don't you think?
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Yeah, Verhoeven wasn't too trusting of the general public to get that historical reference so he changed it to Hiroshima.
I guess you could chalk it up to it being an alternate timeline.
 
Topher said:
The US is not declaring war on Venezuela. That's what would require Congressional approval.
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Right. Kidnapping a president and the wife clearly does not require congressional approval. Its funny how no one sees how this is straight up dictatorship.
 
AJUMP23 said:
Here is a trade to investigate. Pentagon trade

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Shit. Too bad when I invest I dont follow or do any of those weird prediction markets. Looks like big money to be made if you roll the dice following big bets. LOL

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Pentagon pizza off the charts last night.

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I forgot about this. But geez, their expense budget must be scraped back. Cheap Domino's and Papa Johns pizzas are shit. LOL
 
KINGMOKU said:
The rest of the world exists, as it does, because the United States allows it to exist.
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I think the feels of this moment might be clouding your judgement slightly and I'm sure I wouldn't have to mention some other military powers that exist if we're going to have a 'might makes right' discussion.
 
SlimySnake said:
Right. Kidnapping a president and the wife clearly does not require congressional approval. Its funny how no one sees how this is straight up dictatorship.
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If you look at the world completely free of context, sure. Maduro is an actual dictator who ran their country into the ground.
 
SlimySnake said:
Right. Kidnapping a president and the wife clearly does not require congressional approval. Its funny how no one sees how this is straight up dictatorship.
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Too bad he wasn't recognized as the President of Venezuela after the 2024 election by almost all of the world except China and Russia strange how that works huh
 
KINGMOKU said:
Every empire falls, but more accurately, morphs into something else. This also doesn't change what I've stated either.

The world is, as the United States wants it.
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The constantly angry people?

I don't think so, bro.

Look, remove an alleged dictator, great I suppose (I don't know about Venezuela), but the backlash to this by conventional allies even, is pretty swift. Nevermind the internal turmoil it's also causing.

It's widely viewed as a weak and desperate move for resources.
 
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