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I dunno, man. The current world order situation is getting increasingly more unstable. I don't see the "lmao" in this scenario. The current administration is unpredictable as is.

Also, historically, you're right in that this isn't the first time US has done an act like this. That said, is that somehow suppose to redeem it and make it seem more safe?

And let me re-affirm; I did not have a positive view of Maduro and his government.
Every time America does something rash like this tons of so called patriots defend it and almost every time that position because laughable 10 years down the line once we have the bigger picture.

Its happened too many times for people to not be privy to the cycle
 




People are gaming out what it would mean if all that Venezuelan oil which has been laying fallow starts flowing

Exciting times are ahead in the industry of exploding dinosaur corpses for energy for sure
 
If you say so.


Absurd? Did you miss how China keeps openly talking about taking back Taiwan? Or, Russia aggressively claiming Ukrainian territory?

You think this doesn't send some kind of signal to those two about legitimacy in their rhetoric?
Yes absurd. Like it has been mentioned by several people in this thread this is nothing new, the precedent has been set long before today.
And as long as the US don't annex Venezuela this doesn't signal shit to Russia or China.

I'm not condoning this attack, I'm not saying the world is better off because of it, but all this hysteria about it online is just funny to me. Open a history book about US activity in South America post-WW2 and you'll quickly realize this is just another day at the office for the US and their geopolitics.
 
That's the thing. International law was created precisely to put some semblance of order in international affairs rather than countries just using their military might against each other.

Which could be a good thing when you're taking out an objectively bad guy, like Maduro, but not so much otherwise. Be careful what you wish for, as they say, since unintended consequences aren't far off.

Law is pointless and useless without enforcement. Who enforces 'Le InTerNaTioNal LaW'?

China? They don't care for it and either see it as hilarious or arrogant.

Russia? Ahaahahahaha!

The US? Well, they're the only ones who seem to lead any action over 'Le InTerNaTioNal LaW' 'decisions'.
 
Well yes, but that's the thing. This is essentially a war that we launched (and pretty much finished already) without Congressional approval.

This isn't a war bro. The last time Congress approved a war was World War 2. Quite a number of military actions have occurred since then. So if you don't like any of them then sure, I can get that, but what happened here isn't breaking any new ground.
 
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I don't know enough about this stuff to know whether or not this is good, bad, legal, illegal, right, wrong. But I will say that anyone who thought Donny T meant the end of the US's involvement in foreign conflicts had the wool pulled over their eyes. No matter who is president, that train will just keep on rolling(rightly or wrongly).
 
Every time America does something rash like this tons of so called patriots defend it and almost every time that position because laughable 10 years down the line once we have the bigger picture.

Its happened too many times for people to not be privy to the cycle
Were these same "patriots" cheering on all the bombings and death the recent 12 out of the last 16 years? Or were the "other patriots" hiding in the "anti-war" caves.

The partisan issues always fall on deaf ears when they were blind for all those years. Only to wake up again now.
 
Listening to the BBC and other non US reports I think Trump has a ton of work to do bring the rest of the world to support this operation. Most of us are shocked


The Trump adminstration just telling everyone how clever their military ops are.

Chicken before the egg of world support.
 
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All I know is, I'm watching Cuba closely. They just lost their patron nation for good. The majority of their electrical grid relies on imported oil and they don't have the money or capability to change that. The military has been suppressing dissent but what is happening there is unsustainable. They can't rebuild effectively after that hurricane ravaged the nation from a few months ago. Their economy is in shambles and their medical system is busted.
 
Were these same "patriots" cheering on all the bombings and death the recent 12 out of the last 16 years? Or were the "other patriots" hiding in the "anti-war" caves.

The partisan issues always fall on deaf ears when they were blind for all those years. Only to wake up again now.

I'm not a big fan of Trump, but when partisan politics leads to looking sideways at the removal of an illegitimate dictator and the liberation of oppressed people then I'm sorry....you've lost the plot.
 
I'm not a big fan of Trump, but when partisan politics leads to looking sideways at the removal of an illegitimate dictator and the liberation of oppressed people then I'm sorry....you've lost the plot.
You mean when people can't get past their own TDS to admit when he does something right
 
I'm not a big fan of Trump, but when partisan politics leads to looking sideways at the removal of an illegitimate dictator and the liberation of oppressed people then I'm sorry....you've lost the plot.
Yeah, while I don't like the unitary action from Executive branch here, the resulting removal of a terrible dictator isn't a negative.
 
All I know is, I'm watching Cuba closely. They just lost their patron nation for good. The majority of their electrical grid relies on imported oil and they don't have the money or capability to change that. The military has been suppressing dissent but what is happening there is unsustainable. They can't rebuild effectively after that hurricane ravaged the nation from a few months ago. Their economy is in shambles and their medical system is busted.

The fact that we've allowed a communist dictatorship to exist just 90 miles off our coast is still insane to me.
 
We had and it's already over. A one-hour SMO and it went exactly as planned and didn't kill the target.
You know, reality continues after a target is extracted, especially when said target is a top level political official. I reckon this will bite us in the ass down the road. I'm also not too keen on cheerleading either military interventions or regime changes.

Alas, I also don't feel like arguing on the internet so I won't say anything more.
 
Were these same "patriots" cheering on all the bombings and death the recent 12 out of the last 16 years? Or were the "other patriots" hiding in the "anti-war" caves.

The partisan issues always fall on deaf ears when they were blind for all those years. Only to wake up again now.

Youre assuming American jingoism only falls on one side of the fence.

It doesn't. It never has.
 
I'm not a big fan of Trump, but when partisan politics leads to looking sideways at the removal of an illegitimate dictator and the liberation of oppressed people then I'm sorry....you've lost the plot.

Were both smart enough to know this isn't an isolated event and it will have ramifications far beyond just the "removal of an illegitimate dictator".

Especially when it was done without congress approval. Aka not how we do things here.

You cannot say the ends justify the means when the ends haven't even begin to manifest themselves yet.
 
The main reason Venezuela is sitting on the 'largest oil reserves' in the world is that their crude oil is sulfur heavy garbage that is unprofitable to get out of the ground at current low prices. While everyone else pumps up their oil and looks for new sources, Venezuela's remains a reserve.
 
The fact that we've allowed a communist dictatorship to exist just 90 miles off our coast is still insane to me.
You'd think any country in the world would do their best to get out of sanctions. It's crazy when I'd hear stories from friends they visit Cuba for vacation and the people working there are so broke, if you bring them old t-shirts or dump off an old clock radio to them as a tip they go ape shit happy being the equivalent of a human Goodwill donation box. Then you get all the free food and drinks you want rest of the day. Crazy shit. But thats what it's like there.

But it goes to show how sketchy governments will do anything to stay in power and let their people and economy hit the shitter.
 
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The fact that we've allowed a communist dictatorship to exist just 90 miles off our coast is still insane to me.

The Cold War and the Cuban missile crisis wasn't that long ago.
And even if the USSR collapsed in the 90s, Russia was still supporting Castro's regime.
But now maybe the best time to change it into a democracy. Venezuela won't send them any more oil. And Russia is too busy invading Ukraine.
 
Were both smart enough to know this isn't an isolated event and it will have ramifications far beyond just the "removal of an illegitimate dictator".

Especially when it was done without congress approval. Aka not how we do things here.

You cannot say the ends justify the means when the ends haven't even begin to manifest themselves yet.

So Barrack Obama shouldn't have killed Obama Bin Laden?

"not how we do things here"

Since when?
 
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The fact that we've allowed a communist dictatorship to exist just 90 miles off our coast is still insane to me.
Trump does whatever he wants, doesn't ask permission from anyone and doesn't seem to answer to anyone, when a law gets in his way he gets his friends to change it.
Isn't that a dictatorship too?
 
So Barrack Obama shouldn't have killed Obama Bin Laden?

"not how we do things here"

Since when?

Let me rephrase. Its not how we SHOULD do things here.

As in, this is a United States of America where the commander in chief is supposed to have checks and balances and be accountable for actiosk taken without approval by those checks and balances

I miss when that was not a controversial thing but we've been past that point for a while now it seems
 
Might be old news as I didnt read all the pages here, but news says the big explosions seen on land were the US taking out radar installations. One heli or jet got hit with return fire, but was flyable and returned back safely.
 
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