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[UltimaKilo]

It's actually a pretty easy formula.

They will always take the side of whichever person or group is more down and out. Even a criminal, they prefer lax justice. Any gov or company or people who are doing well are always the evil side.

Amazingly, when a cruel dictator robbing its people and economy leads to millions of poor people, they actually take the side of the dictator dude who has become an oppressive billionaire himself.

Sounds counterintuitive, but they need to do that because if they side with the people it means they agree with western govs hating that dictator. So their ideology looks bad as an egg on their face since western govs will focus their message on taking down that dictator and not their people who need help. So there is a pecking order.

Really dumb. Those of us with family in Venezuela have been out celebrating in the streets since 4:00 a.m.

 

[Dice]

I sure am seeing a lot of talk about liberals defending and siding with Maduro without any examples of anyone doing that. Pretty sure everyone universally hates the guy. The arguments people are making have nothing to do with Maduro and rather with preferred and already-legislatively-decided order of operations and leading by example in the world.

Liberals don't like unilateral military actions, they like representative government where things are deliberated and agreed upon democratically. That is objectively not what Trump did here. He didn't even notify the Armed Services Committee. That is a constitutional transgression and that is what I see them being upset about, not upset because they support Maduro.

"They won't listen to Venezuelans" is also a bit of a strawman. You think there wouldn't be people dancing in the streets if someone took out Trump? A demographic in support of something doesn't invalidate concerns around an occurrence. We have a bad history with South America and I'm certain plenty of Venezuelans are weary about what happens now.

I don't get why nuance/complexity is so unfathomable to some.

 

[Unknown?]

The liberals playing the white knight game while real Venezuelans are celebrating is sooo typical.


Reddit is hilarious, they are actively suppressing real news about this as expected.

Bad day for liberals, California's open carry ban has just been overruled.

 

[Gp1]

Buenos Aires

Santiago Chile

Peru

Madrid Spain

Belo Horizonte Brazil (and we are seeing this in many small cities)

Miami Florida

 

[Badlucktroll]

i didnt even know what venazula was until this morning lol

 

[Hookshot]

i didnt even know what venazula was until this morning lol

They ruined the South African world cup in 2010.

 

[Mortisfacio]

Buenos Aires

Santiago Chile

Peru

Madrid Spain

Belo Horizonte Brazil (and we are seeing this in many small cities)

Miami Florida

Are the people in Venezuela on lockdown or something? I see a lot of celebrations worldwide of alleged Venezuelans who have left and gone elsewhere, but nowhere actually in Venezuela.

 

[Tams]

I sure am seeing a lot of talk about liberals defending and siding with Maduro without any examples of anyone doing that. Pretty sure everyone universally hates the guy. The arguments people are making have nothing to do with Maduro and rather with preferred and already-legislatively-decided order of operations and leading by example in the world.

Liberals don't like unilateral military actions, they like representative government where things are deliberated and agreed upon democratically. That is objectively not what Trump did here. He didn't even notify the Armed Services Committee. That is a constitutional transgression and that is what I see them being upset about, not upset because they support Maduro.

"They won't listen to Venezuelans" is also a bit of a strawman. You think there wouldn't be people dancing in the streets if someone took out Trump? A demographic in support of something doesn't invalidate concerns around an occurrence. We have a bad history with South America and I'm certain plenty of Venezuelans are weary about what happens now.

I don't get why nuance/complexity is so unfathomable to some.

You've been in this thread but failed to see the white liberal women post, the NYC free Maduro post, and the Mandani post (okay, he's an all out socialist, I'll give you that)?

 

[Liljagare]

Other famous dictators also had support.

Yes, so it is wierd Maduro got this treatment, considering the US support of other installed dictators.. and the pardon just in december for the ex-president of Honduras, that got jailed for the same thing?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I sure am seeing a lot of talk about liberals defending and siding with Maduro without any examples of anyone doing that. Pretty sure everyone universally hates the guy. The arguments people are making have nothing to do with Maduro and rather with preferred and already-legislatively-decided order of operations and leading by example in the world.

Liberals don't like unilateral military actions, they like representative government where things are deliberated and agreed upon democratically. That is objectively not what Trump did here. He didn't even notify the Armed Services Committee. That is a constitutional transgression and that is what I see them being upset about, not upset because they support Maduro.

"They won't listen to Venezuelans" is also a bit of a strawman. You think there wouldn't be people dancing in the streets if someone took out Trump? A demographic in support of something doesn't invalidate concerns around an occurrence. We have a bad history with South America and I'm certain plenty of Venezuelans are weary about what happens now.

I don't get why nuance/complexity is so unfathomable to some.

Because a lot of liberals (especially American ones) have never endured cruel hardship, dictatorships or war on their own soil. Most have white collar cozy kinds of jobs too. So even when it comes to a job they arent the types of people on the frontlines protecting or even slogging it at a construction site in bad weather. They assume everyone else will do the dirty work for them. As these kinds of people and jobs are too grungy and physical it means they are lame brains, while their college degree in arts & humanities is somehow gold.

They think if everyone just holds hands and sits at a table to negotiate, everything can be solved. So even guys like Hitler and Maduro can change tune if you just wheel and deal with them for a couple hours.

 

[Tams]

Yes, so it is wierd Maduro got this treatment, considering the US support of other installed dictators..

He quite literally taunted the US to come and get him...

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Yes, so it is wierd Maduro got this treatment, considering the US support of other installed dictators..

FAFO

 

[Romulus]

Buenos Aires

Santiago Chile

Peru

Madrid Spain

Belo Horizonte Brazil (and we are seeing this in many small cities)

Miami Florida

Now do a few resetera Karens telling them to go home, that they don't understand what they're celebrating.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

The Democrats are trying so hard to lose the Latino voting bloc right now huh

They really don't understand anything beyond TDS

 

[Liljagare]

FAFO

Naw, it's build a precedent story, so we can also follow through on the rest of our stuff.

 

[MayauMiao]

 

[StreetsofBeige]

The Democrats are trying so hard to lose the Latino voting bloc right now huh

They really don't understand anything beyond TDS

I had to use Google Translate but it says this:

 

[Topher]

Are the people in Venezuela on lockdown or something? I see a lot of celebrations worldwide of alleged Venezuelans who have left and gone elsewhere, but nowhere actually in Venezuela.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[Gp1]

 

[HRK69]

Now do a few resetera Karens telling them to go home, that they don't understand what they're celebrating.

I took a peek

And as usual on ResetEra, it's a competition to one-up each other in proving who's the most distraught over this, because nothing says 'moral superiority' like performative devastation

 

[Brucey]

 

[fran.fernandez]

I like this one

"Americans are mad because they're arguing theory. Venezuelans are celebrating because they're living reality."

Or

"Easy to be principled when your lights stay on and your money isn't toilet paper."

Buenos Aires

Santiago Chile

Peru

Madrid Spain

Belo Horizonte Brazil (and we are seeing this in many small cities)

Miami Florida

My parents, who live in Chile, still can't fall asleep. Venezuelans on the balconies have been celebrating nonstop.

Chile has been heavily affected by Maduro. Even the newly elected president said they would expel them, but with this news people are saying, "You don't need to kick me out now. I'm finally going back."

 

[MayauMiao]

 

[Brucey]

 

[Futaleufu]

Are the people in Venezuela on lockdown or something? I see a lot of celebrations worldwide of alleged Venezuelans who have left and gone elsewhere, but nowhere actually in Venezuela.

Dictatorships use this as an excuse to shoot you on sight

 

[The_hunter]

 

[MayauMiao]

Reddit is going to hate CBS

 

[Dice]

You've been in this thread but failed to see the white liberal women post, the NYC free Maduro post, and the Mandani post (okay, he's an all out socialist, I'll give you that)?

The women and Mamdani are talking about what I said. They find unilateral military action for regime change an illegal and dangerous thing that opens the door for global chaos. Is it a reasonable concern? That is a debate that some are having, which is a good thing to do. However with the quoted post I am addressing those who instead seem to be trying to get slam dunks on strawmen, which to me is pointless. Framing the social fallout as "dumb liberals love Maduro" vs "Venezuelans happy" is overly simplistic and dishonest. I did actually miss the post from NYC, what looks to be about 50 literal communists? And ignorant ones at that. I don't consider that "the liberals" as if the majority of liberals everywhere are generally supporting Maduro. What I see among them is what I described before. The Us vs Them narrative is noise and posturing that isn't helpful for discourse about the rightful handling of matters from where things stand now.

 

[Liljagare]

Fun hole to dig into, if you ever wonder wth happened to south america nations, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II)

 

[MayauMiao]

I don't understand these people.

 

[Bojji]

Let's be honest here, Trump never cared about people in Venezuela or state of Democracy in that country. It was all about achieving his goals (oil, drugs, whatever) and potential improvement (Iraq may be better now vs. Hussein times but Afghanistan returned to Taliban rule after US soldiers returned home) of life quality for local population is just a nice bonus.

But Maduro needed to be removed anyway so leftists are just as retarded as usual. Trump could have invented cure for cancer and they still would be opposing that, lol.

 

[LordCBH]

Liberals don't like unilateral military actions, they like representative government where things are deliberated and agreed upon democratically.

No. The American Liberal prefer communism now. They've been pretty open about that for a while.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

This whole farce war with Venezuela is so cowardly one-sided. And how they're a valid target and not Mexico who we share a border with and where the majority drugs that enter the US comes from is ridiculous. Pulling this shit two days into the new year after yammering about peace and "no more wars" all last year. Ugh.

I would hold off till you understand all sides.

A Russian style move. All for oil the pedo in chief was promised 1000s of years ago according to himself.

No wars president, winner of the noble FIFA peace price will do anything to distract from the epstein files and his economy thats in shambles.

Dont cry foul when China attacks Taiwan americans. Not that Trump will care anyway.

Bro. China going for Taiwan is not a matter of if, but When.
The US has already been knowing this for quite sometime. In fact, they have a timeline they keep revising due to whatever events or variables are at play.

I think the reason for building out fabs isn't just for production capacity increase, it's. A geopolitical decision in nature and has to do directly with a possible future conflict on The Island.

 

[Nocty]

How are they going to flush the price of oil downwards though? All of the problems in Venezuela still exist today as they did yesterday.

There is around $18Trillion worth of Oil there. The US oil companies will be moved right in to barrel all of that shit to market.

Simply put, supply will vastly expand, pushing the price down. Russia has been the main beneficiary of higher oil prices to sustain their funding for the war.

Trump knows if he suddenly offers dirt cheap oil the rest of the market will be forced to slash prices to compete, so economies that depend on higher prices will suffer

 

[Hypnotoad]

This is a Chinese-funded organization that fully supports a PRC takeover of Taiwan. A bunch of Tankie Karens.

 

[LordCBH]

There is around $18Trillion worth of Oil there. The US oil companies will be moved right in to barrel all of that shit to market.

Simply put, supply will vastly expand, pushing the price down. Russia has been the main beneficiary of higher oil prices to sustain their funding for the war.

Not to mention other dictatorships that have been relying on Venezuelan oil, such as Cuba.

 

[Nocty]

right on time.

This is one of the most important military actions of the last 100 years, the economic ripples are going to feel like tidal waves to Russia, the middle east, china and india.

One thing is for certain, cost of gas is about to fall through the floor globally

 

[Mortisfacio]

Gotcha. Yah I was searching youtube and such for live video, but the live video seems to be various places around the world and none from Venezuela itself. Found that amusing.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Main Cast of Concord 2.0 : "The Movie"

 

[MayauMiao]

You think Biden will pay up?

 

[MayauMiao]

Main Cast of Concord 2.0 : "The Movie"

Nah, Concord had diverse cast and no white people.

 

[Foxt3r]

Oh they *seem* happy, I didn't know that . That solves everything. Usa delivered happiness thru attack choppers and obviously give a shit about venezuelas people.

Look man. Maduro was a 3rd world caricature if a dictator, no argument. More than 8 million people exile from their country.

imo is venezuelas peoples business to kick the bullshit out of power, even if take 50 years. Retarded population has to learn. Explicit outside intervention establish a fucking rot presedent.

The is the most retarded take I have read in the entire thread. Amazing.

 

[Brucey]

There is around $18Trillion worth of Oil there. The US oil companies will be moved right in to barrel all of that shit to market.

Simply put, supply will vastly expand, pushing the price down. Russia has been the main beneficiary of higher oil prices to sustain their funding for the war.

Trump knows if he suddenly offers dirt cheap oil the rest of the market will be forced to slash prices to compete, so economies that depend on higher prices will suffer

Suck our fucking cock OPEC+

Sincerely, USA.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

right on time.

This is one of the most important military actions of the last 100 years, the economic ripples are going to feel like tidal waves to Russia, the middle east, china and india.

One thing is for certain, cost of gas is about to fall through the floor globally

2026 is going to be funny as fuck

 

[EviLore]

 

[Jinzo Prime]

I don't understand these people.

You do understand these people. They are saying whatever their party and PR people tell them to say.

 

[Tams]

The women and Mamdani are talking about what I said. They find unilateral military action for regime change an illegal and dangerous thing that opens the door for global chaos. Is it a reasonable concern? That is a debate that some are having, which is a good thing to do. However with the quoted post I am addressing those who instead seem to be trying to get slam dunks on strawmen, which to me is pointless. Framing the social fallout as "dumb liberals love Maduro" vs "Venezuelans happy" is overly simplistic and dishonest. I did actually miss the post from NYC, what looks to be about 50 literal communists? And ignorant ones at that. I don't consider that "the liberals" as if the majority of liberals everywhere are generally supporting Maduro. What I see among them is what I described before. The Us vs Them narrative is noise and posturing that isn't helpful for discourse about the rightful handling of matters from where things stand now.

Ah, so you're an idiot, not just lazy. Got it.

 

[Dice]

Ah, so you're an idiot, not just lazy. Got it.

Bye.

 

[Nocty]

Venezuela hasn't updated their oil pipeline network in 50+ years. The reservoirs haven't been maintained, and processing the tar-like sludge there is difficult.

they need a decade and probably 50-60 billion in CapEx.