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[Hypereides]

Trump's move legitimized Putin in Ukraine and Xi in Taiwan.
The world is being carved up by the 3 big players.
Sad state of affairs, being from Europe, it seems we are the last against this current. Unfortunately, we are too divided.

Mate, forget it. Some folks here don't want to acknowledge the very real plausible implications of this op and what it could lead to.

Its opened up a new can of worms on the world stage. They're underestimating both and think they will just roll over and take it. This isn't going to be ignored.

I mean, sure, they removed Maduro and put an end to his dictatorship... but, it came on a certain compromise and message that could have a future response and ramifications.

 

[RJMacready73]

It really is nuts how flawless every operation he's greenlit, 3 for 3.

He assassinated Solomai and there was never any retaliation from Iran, only empty threats

Then the bombing of the nuclear refining plants in Iran

Now the capture of Maduro

Don't forget the 10wars he resolved including WW2, Korean, Mars v Venus etc etc

 

[RJMacready73]

Obama said that Maduro is a dictator.
Biden said that Maduro is a dictator.
Harris has said that Maduro is a dictator.

Yet, I'm now seeing american leftists across social media calling Maduro a legit president and how he should be freed.

Politics in this world is beyond fucked in the head. I'm not american either.

No,what you are seeing are either A: idiots or B: Troll farms

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Mate, forget it. Some folks here don't want to acknowledge the very real plausible implications of this op and what it could lead to.

Its opened up a new can of worms on the world stage. They're underestimating both and think they will just roll over and take it. This isn't going to be ignored.

I mean, sure, they removed Maduro and put an end to his dictatorship... but, it came on a certain compromise and message that could have a future response and ramifications.

China and Russia have been attacking the west or western interests for DECADES regardless of what the West do. Stop this fallacious narrative at once. Precisely the best deterrence (the only one) is decisive action.

 

[MisterFalcon]

The idea that China and Russia are now free to do whatever is really stupid.
Imagine Xi being told last week that invading Taiwain was not possible due to international law, him shaking his fist at being so powerless and now finally being free to invade as Trump, for the first time in history, broke International Law.

The invasion of Taiwan will happen the moment China has the military capacity to do so. This action against Maduro changed nothing except maybe move it foward a little as the US isolates itself more and more while being still woefully underprepared for a peer level conflict.

 

[winjer]

EU legitimizes putin in ukraine by simple showing no force or balls to do anything about it. If EU cared so much they would send there military to the boarder and kick russia back inside there boarders or even push into Russia territory as punishment. Instead they write some fake loan money towards ukraine and call it a day.

At this point in time, EU isn't going to do shit and ukraine is basically going to be divided because of it because it has zero ways to deal with a constant pushing russia.

The EU won't send troops to Ukraine as not to escalate the conflict to a nuclear war.
But the EU has done a lot, by sending a lot of weapons for Ukraine to defend itself. And trained Ukrainian pilots and soldiers. And sent billions to keep the Ukrainian economy afloat.
Just because the EU doesn't want to ignite a nuclear war, doesn't mean they aren't doing anything. And in no way does it legitimize Putin's invasion and war crimes.

America at the end of the day gives zero fucks about ukraine because it means nothing to them, trump just want it to end so he has another win on his score card of wins.

Also nobody is carving up the world in 3 big players. China isn't moving there boarders and russia isn't going to push much further into ukraine or anywhere else, the same goes for America.

After the fall of the USSR, Russia has already invaded and took territory in Chechenia twice, Dagestan, Georgia and Ukraine twice.
Russia is on an obvious expansionist war path to expand their borders.
And China has invaded Tibet and has disputed territory with India. They are constantly talking about invading Taiwan. They have been creating artificial Islands to expand sea control. And now have signed a deal with Russia to lease parts of Manchuria and Siberia, which they will never return.
Chins is trying to rebuild it's Imperial borders and they are very open and clear about their goals.

 

[Spukc]

Its always the they/them.

Dumb cunt

 

[coinhook]

The fact that a slurring us president openly said they are "taking back" oil and land says so much.

One does not have to think Maduro was anything more than a mad dicatator to realize that the us is equally insane. "Bringing freedom" to places while taking their resources is just the same playbook that Russia is using, even if the method is different the end goal is the same.

And don fell asleep during the conference. He should really cut down on stimulants and try sleeping sometime.

add also that the USA spent over 100 million usd till 2014 in funding ngo and opposition in the country.
It was reasonable that without results they'd reach a boiling point

 

[confused_pumpkin1506]

Thought trump was the president of peace

Yet does this


Guy is unhinged and has dragged us closer to world war 3

 

[Hypereides]

China and Russia have been attacking the west or western interests for DECADES regardless of what the West do. Stop this fallacious narrative at once. Precisely the best deterrence (the only one) is decisive action.

Fallacious? Get over yourself. You think this won't stoke the flames and tensions even further? You really want a future where hostilities rise and nations have a legitimate reason to perform a similar action in an actual democratic state?

I'm going to counter your "decisive action" claim and state "the best offense is defence" (deterrence). That's why diplomacy has always been critical in peace states. Flexing your muscles on the world stage like this achieves the opposite. It invites retaliation in one form or another.

 

[John Marston]

 

[Brazen]

Still waiting for that "war with Iran" to continue... And or WW3 to start from here...
No wait, still waiting for Iran's nuclear facilities that "wasn't destroyed" to come back online.

Framing and Speculation, and being wrong, is still all they have against a representative leader that is delivering results.
Peace through strength, it's the only thing our enemies respect, except the enemies on the inside...

 

[MisterFalcon]

Is there any evidence of Venezuelans in Venezuela taking to the streets against the regime? Because despite the president going right to jail and Trump saying they run the country now, the regime is still in power.
Anyone protesting will be beat or shot by the Colectivos like before and no Delta Force will swoop in to rescue them.

 

[delirium trigger]

The marxists are pissed they lost a leadership position.

 

[T-0800]

Wake me up when, Trump kidnaps, Putin.

 

[Signalis]

Thought trump was the president of peace

Yet does this


Guy is unhinged and has dragged us closer to world war 3

Cry me a river

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

A take I read on LinkedIn:

I think people overestimate Venezuelan capacity there- their crude oil has a specific niche, but worldwide the most popular oil is different.

It will take years to restore their infrastructure and even thrn there is no giarantee that the stability will be there.

 

[Kenpachii]

Send troops? Push into Russia as punishment? Mate, you must be American.
Not sending troops to Ukraine doesn't mean we legitimize Putin. What a stretch.
This is not a video game. war is ugly business, do you think EU's populations wants to their people to fight in war on a side that's not your closest ally?
Plus, there's no single European army. Impossible for this to happen.

I am european. U don't defend your boarders because somebody might die, u will be invaded. It's that simple. Russia will keep pushing until somebody kicks there teeth in and they meet there match, exactly what ukraine is doing. And exactly what the EU isn't doing.

EU has 3 big armys and a lot of smaller army's, its called england/france/germany. They all do jack shit other then sending there regards and paying there electricity bill and giving them a few rusty toys to delay there demise with and they fully well know this because its run by weak people.

The EU won't send troops to Ukraine as not to escalate the conflict to a nuclear war.
But the EU has done a lot, by sending a lot of weapons for Ukraine to defend itself. And trained Ukrainian pilots and soldiers. And sent billions to keep the Ukrainian economy afloat.
Just because the EU doesn't want to ignite a nuclear war, doesn't mean they aren't doing anything. And in no way does it legitimize Putin's invasion and war crimes.



After the fall of the USSR, Russia has already invaded and took territory in Chechenia twice, Dagestan, Georgia and Ukraine twice.
Russia is on an obvious expansionist war path to expand their borders.
And China has invaded Tibet and has disputed territory with India. They are constantly talking about invading Taiwan. They have been creating artificial Islands to expand sea control. And now have signed a deal with Russia to lease parts of Manchuria and Siberia, which they will never return.
Chins is trying to rebuild it's Imperial borders and they are very open and clear about their goals.

Europe already crossed 300 red "nuke" lines in this war mate, u might as well collectively surrender europe to russia with that logic. All it takes by people like that is "putin: but we will nuke u if you don't bro". Until he actually fires a nuke its all bullshit. Hell even ukraine invaded russia not to long ago and still no nukes where shot.

Oh no, they build a few boats and invaded tibet and a tiny part of india god knows how many years ago, what will america ever do to such overwhelming power with there 700 nukes waiting in submarines to be fired on a second notice.

Honestly i said this before and i say it again, u want taiwan to stand on themselves for now and in the future, start loading it up with nukes and make it a little north korea. That will make whatever dictator from whatever superpower think twice before invading and america can leave the place alone without a care in the world.

 

[winjer]

I am european. U don't defend your boarders because somebody might die, u will be invaded. It's that simple. Russia will keep pushing until somebody kicks there teeth in and they meet there match, exactly what ukraine is doing. And exactly what the EU isn't doing.

EU has 3 big armys and a lot of smaller army's, its called england/france/germany. They all do jack shit other then sending there regards and paying there electricity bill and giving them a few rusty toys to delay there demise with and they fully well know this because its run by weak people.

Europe already crossed 300 red "nuke" lines in this war mate, u might as well collectively surrender europe to russia with that logic. All it takes by people like that is "putin: but we will nuke u if you don't bro". Until he actually fires a nuke its all bullshit. Hell even ukraine invaded russia not to long ago and still no nukes where shot.

Oh no, they build a few boats and invaded tibet and a tiny part of india god knows how many years ago, what will america ever do to such overwhelming power with there 700 nukes waiting in submarines to be fired on a second notice.

Honestly i said this before and i say it again, u want taiwan to stand on themselves for now and in the future, start loading it up with nukes and make it a little north korea. That will make whatever dictator from whatever superpower think twice before invading and america can leave the place alone without a care in the world.

There are red lines. And then there are red lines.
The EU sending troops to Ukraine is a declaration of war, regardless of how justified it is.

 

[nemiroff]

Invading Greenland would be an entirely different scenario and no, I know for a fact that I would not be saying the "same thing". The line between a true democracy and a dictatorship couldn't be any clearer and the differences don't stop there.



Who knows, indeed. I see a lot of hope from Venezuelans right now. Would you rather Maduro still be in charge?

Yeah, I agree with all of that. It's hard dislike someone more than I dislike T***p, but the Venezuelan people take priority here, so-to-speak.

So, if the Venezuelans will be able to get a better life and a better future out of this, then that's more important to me than bitching about "the president of peace".







...anyway, side-quest, one obvious concern here is how dictators around the world are going to spin and use this to their advantage.

 

[HRK69]

Honestly i said this before and i say it again, u want taiwan to stand on themselves for now and in the future, start loading it up with nukes and make it a little north korea. That will make whatever dictator from whatever superpower think twice before invading and america can leave the place alone without a care in the world.

Arming Taiwan with nukes would totally backfire and it would probably provoke the exact invasion it's meant to stop

Lets not forget the sanctions would hit hard and fast and absolutely gut their economy. Taiwan lives off global trade, especially those semiconductors everyone needs.

Going nuclear? That's basically waving goodbye to all of it.

 

[BigDeadFreak]

The whole concept of an international, rules based order was always pretty empty.

Once the Cold War ended there was no meaningful power outside of the west. The Anglosphere and the EU were all aligned and were never going to go to war with each other. As a result, we could agree things peacefully as there was no other power to challenge us.

With the rise of Russia, China and radical Islam that has all changed.

Europe has been asleep at the wheel for decades and has been relying on America to protect us. We now baulk at their actions in Venezuela, forgetting that colonialism was what made us rich in the first place. If we don't get our act together and strengthen our continent we will fade into history as the Mega Powers (USA, China and Russia) carve up the world and our continent gets culturally subjugated by Islam.

 

[calico]

Good luck getting the young white men of Europe to go die fighting in Ukraine when their own countries have been betraying them for the entire time they have been alive.

 

[winjer]

Here is a very detailed breakdown of the military operation.

 

[confused_pumpkin1506]

Cry me a river

You gonna go fight and die in a war he started

 

[Banjo64]

Trump's move legitimized Putin in Ukraine and Xi in Taiwan.
The world is being carved up by the 3 big players.
Sad state of affairs, being from Europe, it seems we are the last against this current. Unfortunately, we are too divided.

Europe could easily be the 4th player and exert regional control in order to shape the future (which is what all major players do) but unelected EU bureaucrats would rather prioritise the destruction of the continent, against the voters' wishes, via 'you know what'.

 

[Darchaos]

Wait a sec

 

[thefool]

Trump's move legitimized Putin in Ukraine and Xi in Taiwan.
The world is being carved up by the 3 big players.
Sad state of affairs, being from Europe, it seems we are the last against this current. Unfortunately, we are too divided.

No it doesn't legitimizes anything. Stop being a propagandist, you read someone feeding you this idiotic nonsensical gabagool. Have some critical thinking for once in your life.

Tu opinión sobre este asunto es irrelevante.

 

[clem84]

 

[sono]

 

[Tams]

Who gets to decide what's the right thing? The strongest player?

 

[Tams]

Mate, forget it. Some folks here don't want to acknowledge the very real plausible implications of this op and what it could lead to.

Its opened up a new can of worms on the world stage. They're underestimating both and think they will just roll over and take it. This isn't going to be ignored.

I mean, sure, they removed Maduro and put an end to his dictatorship... but, it came on a certain compromise and message that could have a future response and ramifications.

What a naïve, arrogant, narcissistic view.

The likes of China and Russia don't care for the 'West's' morals. They see it either as a weakness to exploit or an annoyance.

They play along sometimes (especially China) only when doing so benefits them.

 

[Hypnotoad]

Europe has been asleep at the wheel for decades and has been relying on America to protect us. We now baulk at their actions in Venezuela, forgetting that colonialism was what made us rich in the first place. If we don't get our act together and strengthen our continent we will fade into history as the Mega Powers (USA, China and Russia) carve up the world and our continent gets culturally subjugated by Islam.

The very concept of international law and human rights obligations has been completely bastardized by certain European countries. It is now being used to silence their own populations into subjugation to third-world, mostly Islamic, replacement migration. Courts rule in favour of criminals and protect the ruling class; even elected governments have a hard time changing their countries' policies into something more sane. They'll be ostracized and branded as authoritarian or far-right if they even dare try.

Germany has allowed polygamist Muslims to resettle with their whole entourage in Germany. The European Court of Human Rights might soon rule in favour of it, as it has done time after time by benefiting individual and religious rights against state sovereignty, in this case in the Netherlands.

https://eclj.org/family/echr/la-polygamie-est-elle-un-droit-de-lhomme-

I don't even think this action by Trump was justified. But the EU can go fuck itself with its self-aggrandizing moral high ground, because, as you wrote, it is fading into history due to utter delusions. Crying for digital sovereignty without being able to produce anything rivaling American platforms, and worse, erasing national identities and sovereignty itself. I support Ukraine and wish Europe would do more, but why should we fight for their territorial integrity when ours has been eroded from within? It's all so tiresome.

 

[Hypereides]

What a naïve, arrogant, narcissistic view.

The likes of China and Russia don't care for the 'West's' morals. They see it either as a weakness to exploit or an annoyance.

They play along sometimes (especially China) only when doing so benefits them.

I swear, man... precaution and concern is considered "arrogant and narcissstic" now?

I get some of you have been frustrated about certain affairs, but, man, this is reaching. You're free to believe whatever you want to.

 

[Tams]

I swear, man... precaution and concern is considered "arrogant and narcissstic" now?

I get some of you have been frustrated about certain affairs, but, man, this is reaching. You're free to believe whatever you want to.

Yes. You think others have the same moral code as us.

They do not, and they see a lot of our moral code as weakness.

 

[Hypereides]

Yes. You think others have the same moral code as us.

They do not, and they see a lot of our moral code as weakness.

Can you pinpoint where I stated this? Either you misread or misunderstood what I've said.

I haven't insinuated that even remotely. I'm well aware they operate on different terms. Anyway, I'm disengaging.

 

[MayauMiao]

I like to think the army played this soundtrack during the operation.

 

[near]

 

[Wildebeest]

Fallacious? Get over yourself. You think this won't stoke the flames and tensions even further? You really want a future where hostilities rise and nations have a legitimate reason to perform a similar action in an actual democratic state?

I'm going to counter your "decisive action" claim and state "the best offense is defence" (deterrence). That's why diplomacy has always been critical in peace states. Flexing your muscles on the world stage like this achieves the opposite. It invites retaliation in one form or another.

The most critical element of world peace is stable, honest and accountable government. Ones that can be cleanly elected out of office for a stable transition of power. Ones that don't spread hate and constantly blame their neighbors, minority groups or fifth columnists for their own corruption and mismanagement. Increasingly rare and under attack these days with everyone wanting to fight fire with fire.

 

[Amish Death Metal]

"I saw it on Reddit"

 

[P:axMagellanic]

Obama said that Maduro is a dictator.
Biden said that Maduro is a dictator.
Harris has said that Maduro is a dictator.

Yet, I'm now seeing american leftists across social media calling Maduro a legit president and how he should be freed.

Politics in this world is beyond fucked in the head. I'm not american either.

It's because they're shitting themselves. For a brief moment the WASP woke up and did a very WASPy bicep flex by showing it's superiority. That's not supposed to happen anymore, you're supposed to just work like a dickhead, pay your ever increasing tax, let your borders and daughters be raped by whatever the fuck is arriving on your shores, and then slowly disappear off the earth into the annals of history. (Which they'll gleefully write you out of)

 

[StueyDuck]

All of you thinking this is causing ww3 need to stop watching CNN

Its a show of strength and force from the Trump to deter mostly china, but the likes of Russia too.

It was a precision strike with barely any casualties where the leader was negotiated out...

Plus hey, less drugs in your country, surely that's a good thing too

 

[Days like these...]

The most critical element of world peace is stable, honest and accountable government. Ones that can be cleanly elected out of office for a stable transition of power. Ones that don't spread hate and constantly blame their neighbors, minority groups or fifth columnists for their own corruption and mismanagement. Increasingly rare and under attack these days with everyone wanting to fight fire with fire.

Is stable, accountable, honest government in the room with us?

 

[winjer]

The very concept of international law and human rights obligations has been completely bastardized by certain European countries. It is now being used to silence their own populations into subjugation to third-world, mostly Islamic, replacement migration. Courts rule in favour of criminals and protect the ruling class; even elected governments have a hard time changing their countries' policies into something more sane. They'll be ostracized and branded as authoritarian or far-right if they even dare try.

Germany has allowed polygamist Muslims to resettle with their whole entourage in Germany. The European Court of Human Rights might soon rule in favour of it, as it has done time after time by benefiting individual and religious rights against state sovereignty, in this case in the Netherlands.

https://eclj.org/family/echr/la-polygamie-est-elle-un-droit-de-lhomme-

I don't even think this action by Trump was justified. But the EU can go fuck itself with its self-aggrandizing moral high ground, because, as you wrote, it is fading into history due to utter delusions. Crying for digital sovereignty without being able to produce anything rivaling American platforms, and worse, erasing national identities and sovereignty itself. I support Ukraine and wish Europe would do more, but why should we fight for their territorial integrity when ours has been eroded from within? It's all so tiresome.

Truth be told, Islamists are taking advantage of the openness and goodwill of European ethics and morals, and basterizing them with lies.
We can see it in that point you made about polygamy. But also in the way that several European countries turn a blind eye to child rape of thousands of girls by Muslims. How governments now accept terrorism a a part of normal day life. And ignore rape and violent attack on women.

Just a few days ago, I saw an interview of a Iranian refugee, that had to run from his own country, because of the Islamic revolution.
And one of his comments rang true for his country and soon for Europe. That the Islamization of Iran was a pact between the communists and the Islamists.

 

[Wildebeest]

Is stable, accountable, honest government in the room with us?

Does anybody want it any more?

 

[Days like these...]

Does anybody want it any more?

Is stable, accountable, honest, government in the room with us?

 

[StueyDuck]

I love the stupidity of the SA government

They are so fucking retarded that they'll just walk into shit head first without even remotely taking a second to think it through.

Like all shitty governments around the world, I like seeing them constantly fuck up, it helps people wake up and realize how moronic these world leaders are, gets them voted out.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

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[thefool]

Not all slop is bad

 

[Dirk Benedict]

China and Russia have been attacking the west or western interests for DECADES regardless of what the West do. Stop this fallacious narrative at once. Precisely the best deterrence (the only one) is decisive action.

People would conveniently like to ignore the many times we were hacked by both and the consistent denial when we tell them to their faces what their OP is, Payload, Purpose and who is usually behind it. Hint: The State.