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[Toons]

There's a good reason I compared you with liberals, they were using the exact same horseshit excuses and buzzwords when they were defending Obama's wars. "Surgical strikes", "dictators don't count", "democracy"

Funny how the US doesn't have a problem with actual dictators like Saudι Arabia's and are allied with them, probably the most totalitarian, bloodthirsty dictatorship in the world next to North Korea's. Do some of you guys even believe your own bullshit, or are you just a mindless relay of propaganda?

I do appreciate that you aren't towing the party line on this because normally we disagree on a lot. I know, like you do, that calling this out for the hypocrisy it is isnt "derangement" like some will say. Its having principles and believing principles form a solid foundation to a functional nation.

When people have to defend something by saying "lol ur deranged" or "international law doesn't actually matter when you really think about it" then you know the position isn't strong. We have seen how certain folks can live above the law in our own country or shirk them entirely. Its not something that needs to be upheld as a paragon of strength that our checks and balances are so loose.

 

[Bernardougf]

Hope

My in-laws and wife's family woke up still in shock. There are armed bandits in my in-laws building ensuring that they remain inside. People are elated, this is in the town of Charallave.

In the neighborhood of Los Palos Grandes, people are hitting the streets to call for the surrender of the regime and the military to finally listen to the will of the people.

Today there could be violence.

As for Cuba: I am trying to get an update from Havana, but much of the Island has been without any power for weeks now. Hopefully word is spreading and something might spark. As soon as I hear from my cousin in Havana (who is a secret dissident and student of Austrian economics), I will report back.

VIVA LA LIBERTAD!

Hope this is the beginning of the end for the suffering of your folks and the Venezuelan people ... I know a lot of them from the refugees that escaped to Brazil, mostly very poor but working honest people. If things get well at Venezuela everybody in the world would win, specially in South America, so Im all cheers.

 

[Renoir]

i know people are talking about kidnapping this , install government that...
but wouldn't this be resolved if who ever really won last election is placed into power?
or have another election all together?

Also is it me or Jack Ryan season 2 became real life...

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

I do appreciate that you aren't towing the party line on this because normally we disagree on a lot. I know, like you do, that calling this out for the hypocrisy it is isnt "derangement" like some will say. Its having principles and believing principles form a solid foundation to a functional nation.

When people have to defend something by saying "lol ur deranged" or "international law doesn't actually matter when you really think about it" then you know the position isn't strong. We have seen how certain folks can live above the law in our own country or shirk them entirely. Its not something that needs to be upheld as a paragon of strength that our checks and balances are so loose.

I know this is futile amid the ideological war but we should distinguish two different issues:

1 - The legitimacy of the operation, which is as questionable as every other perpetrated by a superpower in foreign land.

2 - The greater good of this operation, which is hardly debatable.

Though both issues are connected, they should be treated separately so a scumbag like Maduro is not perceived as a martyr.

 

[DeepEnigma]

i know people are talking about kidnapping this , install government that...
but wouldn't this be resolved if who ever really won last election is placed into power?
or have another election all together?

Also is it me or Jack Ryan season 2 became real life...

Commies and cartels need to be cleaned out of institutional and infrastructure systems first. The new president would just be a sitting duck.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I know this is futile amid the ideological war but we should distinguish two different issues:

1 - The legitimacy of the operation, which is as questionable as every other perpetrated by a superpower in foreign land.

2 - The greater good of this operation, which is hardly debatable.

Though both issues are connected, they should be treated separately so a scumbag like Maduro is not perceived as a martyr.

The legitimacy of the operation is more or less bullet-proof at this point

(1) Maduro refused to yield power after controversial and rigged elections in 2024 where his opposition candidate claimed victory
(2) All Western nations, including every South American nation barring Bolivia, did not recognize Maduro as the elected President of Venezuela
(3) The United States actually recognized the opposition candidate Gonzalez as the winner
(4) The United States put a $25 million bounty on the capture of Maduro

And now the United States has captured Maduro, an illegitimate dictator who was clinging to power after losing an election he promised previous President Joe Biden he would have in exchange for not being deposed in a previous year

What I'm saying is the operation is completely legitimate and follows "international law" whatever the fuck that's supposed to be. Maduro was a wanted man and a dictator and he was even indicted in absentia by a court in New York state for crimes against the United States

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[Renoir]

Commies and cartels need to be cleaned out of institutional and infrastructure systems first. The new president would just be a sitting duck.

so.. im guessing were going to do like in the past? install a military to "assist" with peace. Then leave, and as soon as we leave it falls apart? this type of cycle?

 

[DeepEnigma]

so.. im guessing were going to do like in the past? install a military to "assist" with peace. Then leave, and as soon as we leave it falls apart? this type of cycle?

Something tells me the backyard is a little different than globalist destabilizing plans for across the pond. But we all shall see, really.

 

[Toons]

I know this is futile amid the ideological war but we should distinguish two different issues:

1 - The legitimacy of the operation, which is as questionable as every other perpetrated by a superpower in foreign land.

2 - The greater good of this operation, which is hardly debatable.

Though both issues are connected, they should be treated separately so a scumbag like Maduro is not perceived as a martyr.

1. The legitimacy of the operation need not be sugarcoated. Im a properly functioning country, a world leader should not be able to just barge in snd take another nations leader without getting approvals from the rest his nations governing body. Im very much a fan of checks and balances snd democracy so Im comfortable standing by that.

2. The greater good of the operation hasn't even begun to be seen yet. Maduro being gone is nice and make no mistake he can stay gone, but its only nice insofar as the people are no longer under his regime. What regime ultimately replaces his, and how effective it is at making venezuelan lives better is what remains to be seen.

I will say tho, the reactions and memes on all sides has been pretty funny.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Monday will be interesting as it has been a weekend but tomorrow all people - media and congressmen - will start working.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Monday will be interesting as it has been a weekend but tomorrow all people - media and congressmen - will start working.

You're going to see a lot of clownery for sure.

 

[rkofan87]

. The legitimacy of the operation need not be sugarcoated. Im a properly functioning country, a world leader should not be able to just barge in snd take another nations leader without getting approvals from the rest his nations governing body. Im very much a fan of checks and balances snd democracy so Im comfortable standing by that.

lmao we have not had checks and balances for years on either side

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[Gonzito]

Is there a lore reason why Maduro is cosplaying Dr. Disrespect? Is he a pedo too?

 

[Topher]

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[Topher]

Yeah, I'm pretty much convinced reading this thread that this isn't even about Venezuela for some. Isn't about the oil or congress or "international law" or any of the other nonsense.

It's about Trump.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

lmao we have not had checks and balances for years on either side

No true

 

[EviLore]

 

[DeepEnigma]

lmao we have not had checks and balances for years on either side

Loose lips sink ships.

TDS is a legitimate affliction... not just memes.

People are literally deranged

Mass MKUltra is real.

Marketers practice it constantly, establishment apparatuses dial it up to 1,000.

 

[StueyDuck]

Yeah, I'm pretty much convinced reading this thread that this isn't even about Venezuela for some. Isn't about the oil or congress or "international law" or any of the other nonsense.

It's about Trump.

TDS is a legitimate affliction... not just memes.

People are literally deranged

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Pretty decent growth for the whole region.

Then there's Venz. GG Chávez

 

[BennyBlanco]

 

[EviLore]

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Chile's result is particularly impressive when you realize the Chileans spent 17 years being ruled by Augusto Pinochet

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I was wondering why Guyana skyrocketed so much. Turns out about a decade a go oil companies discovered tons of oil so the whole industry has been on fire the past bunch of years (it needed time to get up and running). Some random posts say the big riches havent really come down to the people yet. But give it some time and maybe it will. Or maybe it'll just be hogged by oil companies and greedy government officials.

Give it 5-10 more years for development. Guyana only has about 800k people. Either it'll be uber rich infrastructure and fancy downtowns, or all pocketed by elites.

 

[Meicyn]

I was wondering why Guyana skyrocketed so much. Turns out about a decade a go oil companies discovered tons of oil so the whole industry has been on fire the past bunch of years (it needed time to get up and running). Some random posts say the big riches havent really come down to the people yet. But give it some time and maybe it will. Or maybe it'll just be hogged by oil companies and greedy government officials.

Give it 5-10 more years for development. Guyana only has about 800k people. Either it'll be uber rich infrastructure and fancy downtowns, or all pocketed by elites.

FWIW, tensions were escalating between Venezuela and Guyana for quite awhile now, especially recently. The Maduro regime was looking towards taking territory.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[StreetsofBeige]

FWIW, tensions were escalating between Venezuela and Guyana for quite awhile now, especially recently. The Maduro regime was looking towards taking territory.

I'm assuming it's this. Never knew about it. I knew Vene was in the shitter for ages due to low oil prices, but didnt really know anything more than that. But this whole Meduro event bringing Venezuela in the spotlight has been a big boost of knowledge knowing more about the country.

Guyana–Venezuela crisis (2023–2024) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[DeepEnigma]

Aaron Rupar moans when he wipes.

 

[DaciaJC]

 

[Topher]

 

[EviLore]

Chinese propaganda posters unintentionally making us look badass, example #757854352

 

[Topher]

Chinese propaganda posters unintentionally making us look badass, example #757854352

I'd buy that poster

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Chinese propaganda posters unintentionally making us look badass, example #757854352

I'd buy that poster

Would almost use it as my phone's background

 

[StueyDuck]

nothing says top secret military action like telling every single dumb arse on the opposition first and making them vote on it.

What a totally smart thing to do... that would definitely not render the US totally pointless militarily (the one major strength the US can genuinely claim).

What do people think the likes of Ilhan Omar is going to do if the US wants to strike Iran because they just killed 3 US soldiers

 

[EviLore]

I'd buy that poster

Another Chinese propaganda poster from a while back. US Navy as an awesome mecha kaiju fleet

 

[Topher]

Another Chinese propaganda poster from a while back. US Navy as an awesome mecha kaiju fleet

I'd buy that video game

 

[StueyDuck]

Another Chinese propaganda poster from a while back. US Navy as an awesome mecha kaiju fleet

is that MechaTrumpzilla with tit railguns

 

[DeepEnigma]

nothing says top secret military action like telling every single dumb arse on the opposition first and making them vote on it.

What a totally smart thing to do... that would definitely not render the US totally pointless militarily (the one major strength the US can generally claim).

What do people think the likes of Ilhan Omar is going to do if the US wants to strike Iran because they just killed 3 US soldiers

With all the fraud coming out, it's clear as day that they just want control of the pathways to enrich themselves and the foreign/domestic bureaucratic interests they serve first and foremost over that of us peasants, the people.

They're also mad they couldn't collect on the slush fund bounty they put up with once again, our tax dollars. Was probably promised to other groups they had in mind.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/10/world/americas/biden-bounty-nicolas-maduro.html

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[AJUMP23]

Amazing

I don't know of any American president with such cultural reach.

 

[popeutlal]

Its not about loving a dictator, it's about removing a dictator without involving the congress, as they should before attacking a country.

 

[StueyDuck]

Its not about loving a dictator, it's about removing a dictator without involving the congress, as they should before attacking a country.

It's really not that at all.

It's purely "Trump bad, grrrrrr"

The US striking a target without telling every tom dick and harry and their aunt and uncles has been a thing for many many years, most likely older than both of us put together.

Edit: just think logically about your proposition, take the strike on Iran's nuclear sites not too long ago, that had very few service members involved, yet even that managed to leak to a Journo who for some unknown reason was in the signal chat, thank goodness he didnt say anything until after the strike. Now imagine literally everyone in congress knowing, your ideology will get americans killed because it will 100% leak to a foreign power what the strategic action is going to be. Like anything involving planning and strategy, even video games, the less people who know your plan the better.

 

[AJUMP23]

Its not about loving a dictator, it's about removing a dictator without involving the congress, as they should before attacking a country.

That is way they made it an act of law enforcement. It doesn't involve congress.

 

[thefool]

Its not about loving a dictator, it's about removing a dictator without involving the congress, as they should before attacking a country.

Maybe next time he'll brief you too beforehand so you can sleep nice and cozy.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Its not about loving a dictator, it's about removing a dictator without involving the congress, as they should before attacking a country.

Aaron Rupar moans when he wipes.