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[Brazen]

Greenland can not be sold because it is not Denmarks to sell. Greenland is like its own country within Denmark, the Greenlanders are independent within this "federation".
Also, even if it were possible to sell, it is not for sale, neither from Denmark or Greenland. Vance and the 2nd lady (is that right? ) already did a tour and were ignored.

Why would they need to buy it though?

I wasn't making any point that Greenland IS for sale. Rather the point is that everyone just loves harping on the US but forgets the other superpower with the wealth to do the same.
Greenland should remain independent, obviously.

 

[KINGMOKU]

Man, the extreme left is embarrassing. I am checking Twitter and Reddit and I am shocked at how cold and terrible these people can be. They dont give a shit about Venezuelans, they just want to criticize Trump not matter the cost.

Absolute despicable people

Because these people are brainwashed, incapable of critical thinking. A very myopic view of the world, and the events happening.

Folks who zero in on one aspect of an event, usually are the worst kind of thinkers. "It's for the oil!" As if no one else knows about the oil in Venezuela.

Got to look at everything in its totality.

There is no world government" though. The real reason why we have had (relative) world peace since WW2 is that the US and the USSR carved up the globe and restricted their fights to backwaters. Europe was straight wiped out. China was decimated.

Then the USSR collapsed and the US was allowed to run the planet, they then (foolishly?) allowed China to rise up as the major manufacturing center. Europe may or may not have recovered, but now they just took a cyanide suicide pill in the form of massive culturally unaligned immigration.

So now the US is exhausted, China is becoming dominate, and as soon as it can be demonstrated that a Carrier Battle Group is vulnerable to a drone swarm/cyber attack it will all be over for the US's ability to project power and there will be a new scrabble for territory.

As soon as it can be demonstrated? What do you think will happen to the party involved in attacking a carrier battle group?

"Welp, they got us. Time to pack it up and go home."

Is this the scenario that plays out in your mind?

 

[Varteras]

Do you think your timeline on a social network somehow represents what people in those respective countries think? I'm not pro-Maduro by any means, but if this is how an average person thinks nowadays, humanity truly is fucked.

You're being a bit sensitive about me describing what my timeline turned into when this happened. Humanity is already fucked with average people jumping to conclusions so quickly.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Greenland should remain independent, obviously.

Greenland already is not independent as its economy is propped up by Denmark and they have an american military base.

 

[popeutlal]

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

One of them he could trust

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Aside him asking them whether they would work in Venezuela if the regime changes (you don't need to tell them detailed operations), it makes sense to tell them because the companies keep secrets better than the congress + the companies will work there. The Congress does nothing.

 

[calico]

Of course he consulted with oil companies on the opportunities / potential problems if he could open up Venezuela to them. I doubt that required sharing specific military plans with them.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The Congress does nothing.

Oh, they do something. They take take take (from us).

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Of course he consulted with oil companies on the opportunities / potential problems if he could open up Venezuela to them. I doubt that required sharing specific military plans with them.

Trump can't do this without speaking to China, and I'm 120% certain that Xi was informed of what was happening. Their mild reaction speaks volumes. The current geopolitics is based on give and take. USA can't make this move unilaterally.

If I lived in Taiwan, I'd be pretty scared right now.

 

[GateofD]

I see some talking points on Reddit (mainly /pics) where it's like "yea it's a good thing he got taken away cause he bad but US did it for oil not just because they wanted to help" therefore it's all a bad thing.

Sounds like a win/win to me then if US does get oil and take an annoying guy away too

 

[jason10mm]

As soon as it can be demonstrated? What do you think will happen to the party involved in attacking a carrier battle group?

"Welp, they got us. Time to pack it up and go home."

Is this the scenario that plays out in your mind?

Demonstrate:
1 : to show clearly
demonstrate a willingness to cooperate

2 : to prove or make clear by reasoning or evidence
crowded classrooms that demonstrate the need for more schools in the area

3 : to show or prove the value or efficiency of to a prospective buyer
demonstrate a new kitchen gadget

China doesn't have to actually attack and defeat a CBG to demonstrate they they COULD. They can show it against a weaker opponent, say India, should there be a conflict there. Or they can demonstrate it in their own exercises or in a multinational peaceful exercise/war game. In fact, setting up and participating in regional war games is one of the ways a nation can flex their international might. They can also make low key demonstrations against other vessels that may not get a lot of wide press for the masses, but get noticed by the ones that matter. We see their cyberattacks every day, all across the US and it's allies. These serve to distract and also warn against opposition, not much different than marching an armored column along some contested border.

If the US has ample evidence that a CBG in regional waters would get neutralized, to the tune of TENS OF BILLIONS of dollars and THOUSANDS of lives, even if not sunk necessarily, but scrambled, confused, and disabled, it would be a very strong deterrent to any Chinese ambitions.

Drone swarms, hypersonic missiles, satellite control, cyber attacks; these are the modern equivalents of carriers, aircraft, and subs in WW2 against battleships, cargo vessels, and legacy power relics from WW1. The balance of power is shifting underfoot. Could China resist all 11 US CBGs? Probably not, even if they could/would all get sent to that region. But would the american populace endure the loss of even ONE? China is making very sure the answer to that is.....NO, via constant social media based moral attacks.

 

[LordCBH]

Oh, they do something. They take take take (from us).

Ilhan Omar, the brother marryer and immigration fraudster, was worth almost nothing when she joined Congress. Now she's worth like $80 milly. Tells me all I need to know.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

I see some talking points on Reddit (mainly /pics) where it's like "yea it's a good thing he got taken away cause he bad but US did it for oil not just because they wanted to help" therefore it's all a bad thing.

Sounds like a win/win to me then if US does get oil and take an annoying guy away too

Venezuela has a long term oil deal with China. The oil is out of the table unless China says so. If that happened, it's either war with China or big concessions, which I believe it's happening behind the curtains.

 

[popeutlal]

Ilhan Omar, the brother marryer and immigration fraudster, was worth almost nothing when she joined Congress. Now she's worth like $80 milly. Tells me all I need to know.

Google says her net worth is approximately 30 million. She married a man, get this....who's net worth is 30 million.

 

[Baemono]

Ilhan Omar, the brother marryer and immigration fraudster, was worth almost nothing when she joined Congress. Now she's worth like $80 milly. Tells me all I need to know.

It was debunked. Then it turned to $30 million, which is what his husband's worth.

Don't forget they want you to hate people online and they make everything possible to achieve that.

 

[winjer]

Elvira Bay explains in this video, what the Russians are saying about this operation.
It's a great watch to understand how amazed and envious Russia, of the feat that the USA just pulled.

 

[rkofan87]

I see some talking points on Reddit (mainly /pics) where it's like "yea it's a good thing he got taken away cause he bad but US did it for oil not just because they wanted to help" therefore it's all a bad thing.

Sounds like a win/win to me then if US does get oil and take an annoying guy away too

i know right and also he did not get congress's approval so that makes the whole thing bad????
the math isn't mathing here

 

[Icymanipulator]

Wonder what the excuse will be if the USA invades Greenland lmao.

Won't need to invade. We will be welcomed.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Elvira Bay explains in this video, what the Russians are saying about this operation.
It's a great watch to understand how amazed and envious Russia, of the feat that the USA just pulled.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Venezuela has a long term oil deal with China. The oil is out of the table unless China says so

They had a deal with Maduro. Maduro is out so no deal for them. That's how it works. China will produce angry noises.

 

[LordCBH]

They had a deal with Maduro. Maduro is out so no deal for them. That's how it works. China will produce angry noises.

Venezuela's Chinese friendly dictatorship falling, Iran likely about to fall, and barely a sternly written letter from the Chinese. Some superpower lmao.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[LordCBH]

Waiting on the beach episode. Hopefully they visit Fidel's tomb during that episode too.

 

[calico]

The smarter play is to allow the agreed amount to continue to go to China, and now you have gained another form of leverage over China's future conduct. This is why China isn't flying off the handle imo.

Once American companies are unleashed and production increases bigly, there will be plenty to go around.

 

[AJUMP23]

Greenland. I could see the US making some deal to make it a territory. The Deal would be more of our military there.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[ElFenomeno]

Greenland. I could see the US making some deal to make it a territory. The Deal would be more of our military there.

Whats with Americans and their disdain to sovereignty? In this case, of their allies.

 

[Wildebeest]

There is no world government" though. The real reason why we have had (relative) world peace since WW2 is that the US and the USSR carved up the globe and restricted their fights to backwaters. Europe was straight wiped out. China was decimated.

Then the USSR collapsed and the US was allowed to run the planet, they then (foolishly?) allowed China to rise up as the major manufacturing center. Europe may or may not have recovered, but now they just took a cyanide suicide pill in the form of massive culturally unaligned immigration.

So now the US is exhausted, China is becoming dominate, and as soon as it can be demonstrated that a Carrier Battle Group is vulnerable to a drone swarm/cyber attack it will all be over for the US's ability to project power and there will be a new scrabble for territory.

World War One is more relevant. The consequence of "sphere of influence" thinking that was every nation that was able felt they had to exert control over a stronger sphere of influence in order not to just be stepped on. Spheres of influence are not a universal concept so two states may see the same overseas territory as a critical and core part of their sphere of influence. It inevitably leads to chaos and conflict, and a feeling that there is a free for all of everyone grabbing what they can. What makes the liberal world order very different to "sphere of influence" is that it doesn't claim control but instead offers, if you open up and play by the rules, we will also follow the rules. It is naturally naive to think that the power and influence of a hegemony isn't the "iron fist in a velvet glove" of a rules based system but it is also naive to think we also have not seen many global wars since WW2 and the cold war itself is often seen as a very long and slow burn world war. It is also wrong to think that team "rules based world order" can't win against team "spheres of influence" because the second is more orderly, rational, and strong. In fact it is chaotic, superstitious, and fragile as fuck.

 

[P:axMagellanic]

Hooray, now we can invade and occupy some places that look like THIS

instead of like this:

Turning south America into a giant fruit company again.

 

[AJUMP23]

Whats with Americans and their disdain to sovereignty? In this case, of their allies.

We believe in our own sovereignty.

We live in a world governed by the use of force. I mean the US has bases and defenses in many countries that maintain their own sovereignty. Greenland is currently a Dutch Territory. Europe doesn't seem to believe in it either.

 

[HRK69]

Man, the memes this spawned were undeniably the highlight for me. I rarely laugh out loud while browsing the internet, but this thread had me wheezing. Absolute gold.

I'm probably too dumb to add anything meaningful to the actual discussion, but I had to give props to the memes

 

[p_xavier]

Whats with Americans and their disdain to sovereignty? In this case, of their allies.

America First. They don't care. I'd rather be conquered by the US than continue to live in this shithole country. /rant

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Greenland is currently a Dutch Territory.

when did danes become dutch?

 

[Varteras]

They had a deal with Maduro. Maduro is out so no deal for them. That's how it works. China will produce angry noises.

It's wild to me that people think China's deal with other authoritarian regimes is going to continue to be honored after they fall. Considering that one of the major goals of the US doing this was controlling the tap to countries like them as extra leverage.

How quickly people forget that the oil coming out of Venezuela was largely from infrastructure that had been built, owned, and operated by US companies. Who were then forced out and their assets seized. Only those who agreed to be minority partners of their own infrastructure through a strong-armed deal got to stay on in any capacity. If you didn't agree, your shit was stolen and you were forced out.

Venezuela already owes hundreds of billions of dollars to US oil companies that they were never going to pay. And that whole "international order" thing people love to invoke... Venezuela was violating that left, right, and center. Helping other countries dodge or weather sanctions with oil.

"IT'LL BE WAR"!

No. It won't. China doesn't have the capability to get to Venezuela with a meaningful military force and try to force the new government to capitulate. They haven't even yet dared to take Taiwan, and comparatively speaking, they could hit them by pissing off a long pier.

Plus, there's that pesky little country called America that would kindly ask them what they think they're doing in their backyard. Who also may or may not be the biggest reason why China hasn't attacked Taiwan yet.

Also, Venezuela supplies China with like, 5% of its oil, or somewhere around there. Yeah. It'll sting. But it's not economy-wrecking levels of denial. It's just one more pain point for China that is being added to the pile. It's a bigger middle finger to Cuba, Iran, and Russia.

 

[Brucey]

Venezuelans supportive of Maduro's capture celebrate outside of court

A large crowd of Venezuelans supportive of the detention of Maduro stood outside the lower Manhattan courthouse ahead of his hearing today, in an emotional

www.nbcnews.com

 

[EN250]

I see some talking points on Reddit (mainly /pics) where it's like "yea it's a good thing he got taken away cause he bad but US did it for oil not just because they wanted to help" therefore it's all a bad thing.

Sounds like a win/win to me then if US does get oil and take an annoying guy away too

I'll never get this point at all, China, Russia and Cuba are all there for the massive oil reserves as well, none are there for kindness, empathy, rainbow colors and shit like that, real world aint some family friendly show

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Better animation than lot of animes airing today TBH

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

I'll never get this point at all, China, Russia and Cuba are all there for the massive oil reserves as well, none are there for kindness, empathy, rainbow colors and shit like that, real world aint some family friendly show

Years of peace made some people believe that the only "right" reason to invade other countries was to "bring democracy". Later after Iraq fiasco it led to believe that "strong statements" will change the world.

 

[GateofD]

I'll never get this point at all, China, Russia and Cuba are all there for the massive oil reserves as well, none are there for kindness, empathy, rainbow colors and shit like that, real world aint some family friendly show

And like say the US went yea we did it cause we wanted to and we're spreading democracy to them. Aren't they also against that kind of US world policing?

 

[Musashipan]

Maduro FA now he FO
Do Brazil next, Mr.Trump

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

 

[ReBurn]

He and the rest of the Cuban-American exile community have dreamed of that their entire lives. They have also been forced to wait for decades while their families back home on the island have suffered all these years for liberation of their people just like the Venezuelans

Speaking of which



It's too bad none of the liberals on the Internet, or even the ones in this thread, will read this post. It's an actual wake up call for them

Whoa

So take your "nuance", put it inside a pineapple and shove the whole thing up your ass. We are allowed to be happy that our dictator is going to wear an orange jumpsuit, even if the guy helping us do it makes your therapist rich.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[poppabk]

They had a deal with Maduro. Maduro is out so no deal for them. That's how it works. China will produce angry noises.

China will just make a new deal with the next guy. They might lose exclusive access to the oil but if US companies actually go back in they will likely have more access to oil from Venezuala just because production will skyrocket.

 

[ReBurn]

It is wrong to go depose a leader from another country for "reasons"

"reasons"

Intellectually stunted reductive reasoning of the intentionally ignorant. Shame, really.

 

[Varteras]

 

[ReBurn]

Based

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Problem with that strategy is it's hard to hold. I'd never seen someone win at Risk trying to fortify NA from all angles as the first continent to take. Most people seem to win trying to go slow capturing SA or Australia.