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[The Cockatrice]

Is any of these still necessary if I use the option on Nvidia app to force the latest preset letter??

You can use the nvidia app to apply the preset K to all games in global settings and it will do so for every game that supports it, so no, you dont need inspector for this specific thing, unless he meant something else.

 

[Anchovie123]

Is any of these still necessary if I use the option on Nvidia app to force the latest preset letter??

Many older games still havent been white listed by the nvidea app. If a game says "unsupported" in the dlss section of the nvidea app then use NVPI to force it.

 

[Tomorrow]

can't wait to try it out.

i get all the AI hate but i like DLSS. people just want to hate on anything with AI in it.

it used to suck but you can easily get away playing at performance level now and the frame gen doesn't look or feel any different from frames being rendered.

they might be fake frames but i'll take them.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

https://imgsli.com/NDM4OTg0/3/7

Thank you for going to the effort.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

AI is like nuclear bomb, it has its uses and can be very good for humanity(threat of mutual destruction is the only reason we dont have ww3 even 70 years after ww2 ended), but in wrong hands it can be used towards really nasty things.

Terminator 2 already showed us what the future could look like. AI can't be trusted

 

[rodrigolfp]

Many older games still havent been white listed by the nvidea app. If a game says "unsupported" in the dlss section of the nvidea app then use NVPI to force it.

is it really game dependent??

 

[JohnnyFootball]

DLSS Swapper is far more reliable than the nvidia app in getting the lastest DLSS modes into games.

Use that instead of the App.

 

[nkarafo]

Download the latest Nvidia Profile Inspector

Releases · Orbmu2k/nvidiaProfileInspector

Contribute to Orbmu2k/nvidiaProfileInspector development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

Set these settings in global to force transformer model in all DLSS games

How does this work? It downloads the latest dll? Don't you need to do this manually? Isn't Dlss Swapper better for this job?

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Welp, I don't see myself using DLSS4.5

I am glad that they have made an effort to fix ghosting, which to me is still where DLSS4 had issues, but I am not sure I want the performance hit.

 

[Anchovie123]

We need more comparisons of Balanced & Quality (Preset K) vs Performance (Preset M)

Balanced and Quality might not even be necessary anymore.

 

[Bojji]

Not sure what to think about this whole 4.5 DLSS...

Performance between L and M seems the same (bit better on M), K and J as well:

 

[TrebleShot]

Use DLSS swapper and turn the hud on in settings to make sure you are using it.

It's much better for Avatar and Oblivion remastered

 

[T4keD0wN]

Did a very quick comparison (all same res) between 4.5 and 4 for upscaling, FG (not like youll see it on a screenshot) and ray recon:
Expedition 33
Cyberpunk

Hair looks indeed a lot better when panning camera, not sure if thats because fg, upscaling or both.

Not sure if i should be using preset E or D for RR, latest defaults to D it seems.

 

[Gonzito]

This video I found shows very well how stable DLSS 4.5 is. There is less noise and ghosting for a small price in performance, at least in my case. Please watch it in a proper 4k TV and not in the phone lol

 

[yamaci17]

alan wake 2

https://imgsli.com/NDM5MTIy/1/4

quite heavy but balanced looks slightly better

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

The biggest difference is in Doom Dark Ages with PT. DLSS4 in performance mode filtered (removed) the rain, while DLSS 4.5 kept it. I also noticed that DLSS FG has less ghosting.

 

[bbeach123]

alan wake 2

https://imgsli.com/NDM5MTIy/1/4

quite heavy but balanced looks slightly better

Imo screenshot like this only show which one had more sharpness filter .

 

[DirtInUrEye]

In the end, it seems like most if not all users would choose to stay on 4.0 and keep the performance, given the already excellent quality it provides.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

From my brief time with 4.5 on 4080, it's way oversharped and perf hit is around 10%. But lesser quality presets does look better.

 

[Thief1987]

DLSS4 is practically flawless already, so any improvements are more than welcome.

Lol that's quite a delusion to have

 

[Cyborg]

Am I correct to say that DLSS is there to upscale lower resolution to a higher resolution so that it doesnt cost that much raw power? And you can dial up other settings to higher tiers? Im not into PC gaming but bought my son a PC (5080) last year.

 

[hinch7]

This video I found shows very well how stable DLSS 4.5 is. There is less noise and ghosting for a small price in performance, at least in my case. Please watch it in a proper 4k TV and not in the phone lol

Reduced ghosting and large reduction of shimmer is worth it for a few frames lost imo. Pretty decent update.

 

[Gonzito]

Reduced ghosting and large reduction of shimmer is worth it for a few frames lost imo. Pretty decent update.

Same here. I prefer image quality over framerate

 

[DirtInUrEye]

Lol that's quite a delusion to have

Sat 2ft from your monitor?

 

[Buggy Loop]

Do not use "latest" in nvidia app anymore. You have to select depending on what quality you expect to run the games.

DLSS Override - Model Presets: set to K for DLSS DLAA/Balanced/Quality, set to M for DLSS Performance, set to L for DLSS Ultra Performance

OR

DLSS Override - Model Presets: set to Latest

DLSS Override - Super Resolution Mode: set to desired DLSS quality preset (DLAA/Q/B/P/UP) and the optimal K/L/M letter will be applied automatically.

 

[Gubaldo]

KCD 2 at 2560x1440 @ DLSS balanced went from 60 to 43
when switching to L preset
looks oversharped

will try M preset with performance

 

[Buggy Loop]

KCD 2 at 2560x1440 @ DLSS balanced went from 60 to 43
when switching to L preset
looks oversharped

will try M preset with performance

L is for ultra performance

M is for performance

See my post above, for balanced, preset K should be preferred.

edit - Seems there's conflicting information on that as well

it seems M is for all modes outside ultra performance, so quality/balanced/performance

''With today's NVIDIA app beta update, all GeForce RTX users can experience the new DLSS 4.5 Super Resolution model in over 400 titles. Simply select "DLSS Override feature - Model Presets" in the Graphics tab, and choose "Latest". This sets our new Model M across all modes. You can also try out Model L under "Custom", which is optimized for Ultra Performance Mode at 4K. Ultimately, you decide which balance of image quality and performance is right for your PC.''

 

[Lucie Goosey]

So this is net overall worse in performance?

It's not clear to me.

What I'm accustomed to is better performance and better image quality. Is there an option here that does both of those things?

Or if I was already using performance or ultra-performance then it's a loss in performance for image quality?

 

[Bojji]

Do not use "latest" in nvidia app anymore. You have to select depending on what quality you expect to run the games.



OR

Seems like preset M impact on 4 and 5 series is tolerable. Not so much on 2 and 3.

I have to test L with ultra performance and see how it looks...

 

[Zathalus]

If gaming at 4K, M with DLSS performance seems to give the best quality and performance mix. Not the best in either, but I believe a really good balance.

 

[Buggy Loop]

There's strange reports on reddit that the drivers might be faulty

"Arc raiders drops by 30 fps before even touching dlss 4.5 on the latest driver, enabling latest further reduces it another 20. Reinstalling previous driver, fps is back to what it originally was, think I'll give this driver a miss for now"

 

[keefged4]

*Hugs 4070 once again*

 

[Gonzito]

There's strange reports on reddit that the drivers might be faulty

"Arc raiders drops by 30 fps before even touching dlss 4.5 on the latest driver, enabling latest further reduces it another 20. Reinstalling previous driver, fps is back to what it originally was, think I'll give this driver a miss for now"

Officially all this is in beta so maybe there is some bug or something. What I tested in the morning in rdr2 was fine performance wise, I didn't see anything weird

 

[Buggy Loop]

Officially all this is in beta so maybe there is some bug or something. What I tested in the morning in rdr2 was fine performance wise, I didn't see anything weird

Yea, seems that this driver is to be observed, by the next 48h everyone will have found the little quirks

 

[Caio]

Sorry guys, I just came. Maybe it's time for me to become a PC Gamer ?

 

[rodrigolfp]

DLSS Swapper is far more reliable than the nvidia app in getting the lastest DLSS modes into games.

Use that instead of the App.

letter preset is still dependent on the game DLSS dll version? if I force latest on the Nvidia app it will only work on whatever latest letter the game dll supports?

 

[Gubaldo]

L is for ultra performance

M is for performance

See my post above, for balanced, preset K should be preferred.

edit - Seems there's conflicting information on that as well

it seems M is for all modes outside ultra performance, so quality/balanced/performance

''With today's NVIDIA app beta update, all GeForce RTX users can experience the new DLSS 4.5 Super Resolution model in over 400 titles. Simply select "DLSS Override feature - Model Presets" in the Graphics tab, and choose "Latest". This sets our new Model M across all modes. You can also try out Model L under "Custom", which is optimized for Ultra Performance Mode at 4K. Ultimately, you decide which balance of image quality and performance is right for your PC.''

Just tested Below
1440P balanced K preset -52 fps
with 1440P Performance M preset - 49 fps

performance looks sharper than Balanced but frames less damn!!

 

[Bojji]

letter preset is still dependent on the game DLSS dll version? if I force latest on the Nvidia app to latest it will only work on whatever latest letter the game dll supports?

Using latest will get you M profile.

You can manually select K. L is missing from Nvidia app for some reason...

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Early DLSS 4.5 Testing Reveals Drastically Crisper Details But Older-Gen RTX GPUs Take Nearly 20%+ Performance Hit

NVIDIA's new DLSS 4.5 have been released and in some early benchmarks, users have noticed noticeable visual improvements on older RTX GPUs.

wccftech.com

 

[T4keD0wN]

Yea, seems that this driver is to be observed, by the next 48h everyone will have found the little quirks

My whole system got fucked and started flickering with ui flying all over the place after the new driver update, had to restart the system, never happened on a prior update to me, so hope it won't come back. Probably best to wait with updates for now.

 

[analog_future]

Did a very quick comparison (all same res) between 4.5 and 4 for upscaling, FG (not like youll see it on a screenshot) and ray recon:
Expedition 33
Cyberpunk

Hair looks indeed a lot better when panning camera, not sure if thats because fg, upscaling or both.

Not sure if i should be using preset E or D for RR, latest defaults to D it seems.

Cyberpunk looks noticeably better. Don't really see a difference with E33

 

[kruis]

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[T4keD0wN]

Cyberpunk looks noticeably better. Don't really see a difference with E33

I can't tell a difference either, but i think thats useful to know, game is not detailed enough for differences to show and i am running it with custom settings above the maximum and sharpening disabled. Only the camera motion + hair feels more stable.

Gonna try it in Avatar and Anno 177 with lower resolutions once i have time, it should be more noticeable in something with more small details.

 

[The Janitor]

Is preset L and M the only way to use DLSS 4.5? Or is there a difference between preset K DLSS 4.0 and preset K DLSS 4.5?

 

[analog_future]

Is preset L and M the only way to use DLSS 4.5? Or is there a difference between preset K DLSS 4.0 and preset K DLSS 4.5?

Only L and M are 4.5

 

[rodrigolfp]

Using latest will get you M profile.

You can manually select K. L is missing from Nvidia app for some reason...

but will the game use the preset M independent of its dll version?

 

[yamaci17]

Using latest will get you M profile.

You can manually select K. L is missing from Nvidia app for some reason...

it's not missing for me
i also learned that if you use latest and override the quality level manually, you get preset K for quality, preset L for ultra performance and preset M for performance

 

[Bojji]

but will the game use the preset M independent of its dll version?

Yes. Nvidia app overrides in game settings as well, so even transformer/CNN switch in cyberpunk doesn't work anymore.

 

[Bojji]

it's not missing for me
i also learned that if you use latest and override the quality level manually, you get preset K for quality, preset L for ultra performance and preset M for performance

That automatic selector sounds quite fucking awesome.

I will have to try it when return home, but I really don't have M and L presets in app, lol.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

Is that the reason why Preset L is recommended for "4K ultra" settings and Preset M for everybody else?

Yes. People are mistakenly applying M (latest) but enabling it in-game like for like with their usual balanced or quality presets - when M is designed for Performance mode, which presumably comes with enhanced sharpening by design. It's Nvidia's fault really, but then again this is a beta.

Edit: just use M for all unless you're experimenting with ultra performance mode.