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Dr.D00p said:
Hubris is the destroyer of Empires and that remains constant, regardless...as so many in this thread so ably demonstrate.
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Your statement was that of hubris. Reread what I wrote.

jason10mm said:
At this point I can only assume the flamboyant reaction to anything Trump says is just posturing, surely all the policy makers understand his MO now. I gotta think its almost orchestrated, the deals are inked and its just theater for the rest of us so no one is seen as just completely capitulating to Trump. Certainly some stuff (like the tariffs and maybe "turn Gaza into a US tourist resort") were probably pushed much harder and faster by Trump just to get something actually going but most of this stuff simply must be basically marketing of a deal already done.
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Bingo.

The world is a stage.
 
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LordCBH said:
If we go we're taking you all with us. We're crazy like that.
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Half Baked Whos Comin With Me GIF
 
jason10mm said:
. Waaaaay better for the US if it is the US instead of some rinky dink EU nation or the Chinese or Canada or whatever.
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Nah. It would be better in the hands of Europe. Ideally a nation that isn't in the EU.

The only way to deal with this is for Trump to fight the King of Denmark, Frederik X, in a naked Greco Roman wrestling match.
 
Hero of Spielberg said:
Also doesn't the 'negotiation tactic' not work when you tell the people you're negotiating with that your threat is just a negotiation tactic?
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The issue is that Trump's statements have caused some amount of panic to people in Canada and Greenland/Denmark, and Europe generally, especially when he suggested that an invasion was not off the table. At the start of his presidency it might have sounded like an epic troll to own the libs, but this far in and he's still talking about it? And so more reasonable people on his side, like Rubio, have to sane wash his blatantly retarded comments with more reasonable stances to quell discomfort, even if it is not true.

What, are we also going to acquire Canada too? Does no one remember him saying he wanted to make it a U.S. state?
 
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ChuckeRearmed said:
The one that propped up european welfare? lol The only reason EU had any kind of respect worldwide is due to USA. And the only reason Russia never bothered to attack Europe is due to USA. Not due to a potential deployment of German troops.

After the USSR collapse the international institutions like UN and groups like EU has become political blocks instead of the economic one. All while expecting the same treatment from USA as before. The international law was created by USA and USSR.
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You are forgetting that USA orchestrated the whole "keep European armies weak" thing, it served US purposes for decades:

 
Bojji said:
You are forgetting that USA orchestrated the whole "keep European armies weak" thing, it served US purposes for decades:

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You could also suggest that it kept the europeans from each others throats long enough for them to grow up and play nice for a change. It's not like Europe had more than a few years peace since.......forever?

Getting Europe to uparm again is a short term good that will probably lead to another european land war, if we were to crack open a history book 500 years from now we are likely living in the "This is where WW3 began" chapter right now.
 
jason10mm said:
You could also suggest that it kept the europeans from each others throats long enough for them to grow up and play nice for a change. It's not like Europe had more than a few years peace since.......forever?

Getting Europe to uparm again is a short term good that will probably lead to another european land war, if we were to crack open a history book 500 years from now we are likely living in the "This is where WW3 began" chapter right now.
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Yeah I agree, European countries were fighting between themselves for more than 1000 years (that's why they ended up so advanced and were able to conquer the whole world). What happened probably helped with stability in the region.

But it was weird for US to attack Europe for not spending enough on military when the system was created by US after WW2. I guess "crazy Trump" again (on accident or not) helped here because now Europe is arming up.
 
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jason10mm said:
You could also suggest that it kept the europeans from each others throats long enough for them to grow up and play nice for a change. It's not like Europe had more than a few years peace since.......forever?

Getting Europe to uparm again is a short term good that will probably lead to another european land war, if we were to crack open a history book 500 years from now we are likely living in the "This is where WW3 began" chapter right now.
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Not really, as soon as it was clear that Russia and it's communist regimes were highly antagonistic, not only it was made a choice that the US troops stationed in Germany were to stay for longer, but also that Germany should rebuild it's military.
On the other hand, on the seas, US navy fleets started replacing GB fleets, taking over the role of the policeman of the world. And the French fleet was destroyed at Mers-el-Kébir.
And of course, being the strongest navy was extremely advantageous for the GB, and it became also for the US.
So the US wanted Europe to keep a strong presence in the borders with the USSR, but they wanted Europe to give way on the seas.
 
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Royal Air Force and US Navy Poseidons were out hunting subs this morning.

And a UK Gov chartered flight is on its way to Toronto, better be signing CANZUK into existence.

winjer said:
Not really, as soon as it was clear that Russia and it's communist regimes were highly antagonistic, not only it was made a choice that the US troops stationed in Germany were to stay for longer, but also that Germany should rebuild it's military.
On the other hand, on the seas, US navy fleets started replacing GB fleets, taking over the role of the policeman of the world. And the French fleet was destroyed at Mers-el-Kébir.
And of course, being the strongest navy was extremely advantageous for the GB, and it became also for the US.
So the US wanted Europe to keep a strong presence in the borders with the USSR, but they wanted Europe to give way on the seas.
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Biggest geopolitical fuck up the yanks ever did was screwing us over in Suez. Completely Idiotic.
 
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When Trump said there will be so much winning Americans will get bored of winning I thought it was his usual hyperbole.

It is incredible to see these geopolitical pieces from Venezuela to Iran to Israel click into place and reset the playing field with China, Russia and Europe. Absolute domination.
 
Bojji said:
You are forgetting that USA orchestrated the whole "keep European armies weak" thing, it served US purposes for decades:

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Considering the state of the Europe at that time it could lead to another conflict easily. "We want to repeat etc", "soviets might not be that bad" etc. We saw what happened in Yugoslavia later when the common enemy (USSR) disappeared. Tensions like that are everywhere in Europe. A lot of folks just do not understand that Europe is very diverse with almost every chunk of land having its own history. It has reached a point now even that if EU had tanks, it would send them to Hungary and others. They often tend to think that EU is just like USA. Without USA EU would have trouble to be unified - just too many countries that speak completely different languages - sometimes even within the same country they have groups that they cannot understand at all. Even within EU the northerners do not like feeding southerners, and a lot of Germans do not like that Germany has been a piggy bank for other states (like bailing out Greece) and so on. And that's without various historic issues.

Poland still has some issues with Germany, Spain and Portugal do not like the frugality of Germany and Italy does not want to fight for Germany or France. Even with sending the troops - how many of the countries are willing to send their soldiers to fight for country X while the country Y won't send anything? "Die for Germany, polish guy!" And so on. Europe is a huge mess, historically huge mess. It has never been truly unified and often fell apart with the same borders. Only military might maintained some unity from time to time - but by and large the base lines - germanic world, France, Italy, Balkans, Iberia - the dynamics have not changed.
 
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Looks like the Little Birds the yanks used took off from RFA Tideforce.

Medvedev is gonna threat us with those tidal nukes again lol.

winjer said:
That was all part of the plan of replacing GB naval power with US power.
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It's all fun and games until you're 25 trillion in debt to pay for 11 carrier strike groups.
 
Calm down guys, this tanker seizure is pre-planned with his boss, in another elaborate effort to make it look like he isn't really his boss.
 
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Despite the cynical responses, the UK is playing 4D chess as it always has done. The rest of Europe is lucky to still have her as a middleman, especially with Macron being a petty little prick over defence contracts in this climate.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Sure I am sympathetic towards isolationist tendencies, just as long as you don't complain when the US uses this same logic regarding Ukraine.
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I don't give a fuck about Ukraine, be they "nazis" or the Biden's slush fund or whatever justification people want to dick about with them, again it has no benefit to me here.
 
DirtInUrEye said:
Despite the cynical responses, the UK is playing 4D chess as it always has done. The rest of Europe is lucky to still have her as a middleman, especially with Macron being a petty little prick over defence contracts in this climate.
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Well to be fair UK has always played Europe like a fiddle - they have been historically trying to sow discord between Russia and the mainland Europe. It hasn't changed. Hell, the whole PLC was pro-British. And it hasn't changed in Ukraine either - with their PM constantly traveling there.
 
Hookshot said:
I don't give a fuck about Ukraine, be they "nazis" or the Biden's slush fund or whatever justification people want to dick about with them, again it has no benefit to me here.
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A weaker Russia benefits everyone right now, whether they realize it, whether they want to admit it or not.

The Iran/Venezuela pawns being knocked off the chess board is exactly the goal here.
 
ChuckeRearmed said:
Well to be fair UK has always played Europe like a fiddle - they have been historically trying to sow discord between Russia and the mainland Europe. It hasn't changed. Hell, the whole PLC was pro-British. And it hasn't changed in Ukraine either - with their PM constantly traveling there.
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Continental Europeans are complete lunatics always at each others throats. You don't need help from us in that regard. This Island only ever steps in when one set of retards has grown powerful enough to take all of you on, and then inevitably wants to try crossing the Channel.
 
I didn't know TDS was really that strong. It appears hatred for Trump is greater than that for Putin. The amount of concern about angering Russia from people who up until 5 minutes ago were talking about seizing Russian assets in Belgium has been a bit disturbing. The most dangerous thing for Ukraine is if Russia and the US did start fighting over Venezuela. I can see people in Europe back Russia. If I was Putin I would send ships to protect Greenland, just to reveal the true views of Europe.
 
IDKFA said:
The only way to deal with this is for Trump to fight the King of Denmark, Frederik X, in a naked Greco Roman wrestling match.
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I'd watch that on Netflix
ChuckeRearmed said:
Considering the state of the Europe at that time it could lead to another conflict easily. "We want to repeat etc", "soviets might not be that bad" etc. We saw what happened in Yugoslavia later when the common enemy (USSR) disappeared. Tensions like that are everywhere in Europe. A lot of folks just do not understand that Europe is very diverse with almost every chunk of land having its own history. It has reached a point now even that if EU had tanks, it would send them to Hungary and others. They often tend to think that EU is just like USA. Without USA EU would have trouble to be unified - just too many countries that speak completely different languages - sometimes even within the same country they have groups that they cannot understand at all. Even within EU the northerners do not like feeding southerners, and a lot of Germans do not like that Germany has been a piggy bank for other states (like bailing out Greece) and so on. And that's without various historic issues.

Poland still has some issues with Germany, Spain and Portugal do not like the frugality of Germany and Italy does not want to fight for Germany or France. Even with sending the troops - how many of the countries are willing to send their soldiers to fight for country X while the country Y won't send anything? "Die for Germany, polish guy!" And so on. Europe is a huge mess, historically huge mess. It has never been truly unified and often fell apart with the same borders. Only military might maintained some unity from time to time - but by and large the base lines - germanic world, France, Italy, Balkans, Iberia - the dynamics have not changed.
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I mean they kept fighting each others throughout history, France used to go to war with Great-Britain and Germany every 80-100 years or so. And most of Europe got destroyed twice during WW1 and WW2 (which never happened in the US) - which was not that long time ago.

The reaction to war threats from countires is different from countries which are still wounded somehow by past wars and still have to pay for them.
 
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Can I get a TLDR on what's going on with this tanker shit?

My friends are messaging me panicing saying "USA just seized 2 russian oil tankers, looks like ww3 is on!" :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Trying to read various news articles but 1) I just want the TLDR not any political slant and 2) they're all just pages and pages of update vomit every 5 mins and hard to get an overview. Bits of info I am seeing is that the tankers kept changing flag and have been pursued for weeks.
 
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