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[Mayar]

industry strategies is always entertaining

All of Microsoft's latest strategies can be summed up in this GIF.

But on the other hand, at least it's not boring and there's something to discuss.

 

[KeplerL2]

Probably an obvious "no way", but I don't recall seeing if anyone has said whether Magnus will be available off the shelf for PC builders.

Nah, because it requires custom motherboard and soldered RAM

 

[DeepEnigma]

PCs are for nerds so I get why they wana distance themselves

 

[Mayar]

Nah, because it requires custom motherboard and soldered RAM

Dell, with its love of manufacturing—Proprietary motherboards. Now our moment to shine has arrived!

 

[bitbydeath]

This could blur pc and consoles together

The only thing console related is the access of old console games. Technically you can do that on PC already, but rather at a software level.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And made/sold by MS. Xbox PC is made by ASUS/MSI/etc but also using Magnus

3DO let's gooo!

 

[Mayar]

3DO let's gooo!

 

[Shubh_C63]

Not a console but not a PC also. .

They are going to build this and incorporate the worse qualities of both the worlds.

 

[Beechos]

People will hack the shit out of it and fix everything that ms does wrong just like current windows and then we will finally have a decent pc/xbox combo.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

I believe it all except the full backwards compatibility.

 

[Mayar]

People will hack the shit out of it and fix everything that ms does wrong just like current windows and then we will finally have a decent pc/xbox combo.

It sounds like a regular PC that everyone has at home anyway.

 

[kevboard]

I believe it all except the full backwards compatibility.

"full backwards compatibility" meaning everything that currently runs on a Series X.

 

[SportsFan581]

Good to see that they got the backwards compatibility working. That's huge for players who have been with Xbox from the beginning.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

"full backwards compatibility" meaning everything that currently runs on a Series X.

It still won't have Crossfire X, their last true Xbox exclusive. But that would make more sense. I don't see all OG or 360 games happening.

 

[Danny22]

How can it play Xbox games as a PC?

Hopefully someone will hack the Xbox emulator MS uses in the first 5 minutes and releases it freely so people who already have PC's can use it without having to buy another $2,000 MS Copilot+ AI PC with a strapped on Xbox launcher screen

Wouldn't that make a theoretical GTA 6 playable on PC? If microsoft can get it running ofcourse.

 

[kevboard]

But that would make more sense. I don't see all OG or 360 games happening.

doesn't really matter on a PC hybrid.

Xenia and XEMU are getting better and better.
the thing will technically be back compat to practically every console generation up to gen7.

if programs can access the disc drive, you'll even be able to just pop in a PS1 or PS2 game and play it straight from the disc lol

and if the drive can read og Xbox and 360 DVDs, you'll be able to back up all your games and then run them on XEMU and Xenia.

 

[Neo_game]

sigh....my brain hurts bro.

So is the console going to have third party stores?

I also hope that they make a conventional console with Xbox version and subsidize the console which competes with PS6. If other OEM are making Xbox PC why not make a conventional console as well ?

 

[Edgelord79]

 

[Crayon]

Rn I want to know two things. Can you put another os on it. And how "agentic" is it going to be.

 

[Radical_3d]

Xbox Copilot will be the name. You've heard it first here.

 

[DenchDeckard]

So MS will subsidise the console version and leave it down to other manufacturers such as Asus and MSI to make prebuilds with this chip in.

I Just hope they find some way in a few years to get this chip on shelves so we can just buy it with our next motherboards.

I want to build a custom pc with an X3D Magnus chip in that means I can fully move away from console.

 

[Shubh_C63]

Honestly if MS were good engineers and could develop Direct X13 or something AND THEN marketed/paired with this PC-hybrid launch, this would have been an instant seller.

 

[Puscifer]

My dude, even OEMs can't get components for themselves and shatter entire consumer brands.

I swear, some hopium here is clearly military-grade.

It's not hopium lol

It'll be some custom silicon obviously and that in turn gets them an advantage that consumer brand hardware can't compete with.

 

[Heisenberg007]

So ... a PC.

Their journey from denial to acceptance was hilarious:

• The next Xbox will have Steam.
• The next Xbox will be a Windows-Xbox hybrid.
• Fine, dammit, the next "Xbox" will be just full windows.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

I honestly can't think of anything worse than Windows 11 on a console. That thing is a bloated, buggy mess that I would pay to remove if at all possible.

 

[Bark]

"full backwards compatibility" meaning everything that currently runs on a Series X.

Which is 360 and og xbox games. Or that BC doesn't count?

 

[Esppiral]

How does it offer the same freedom? Can the RAM be upgrade? PSU replaced? Graphic chip replaced? Knowing Microsoft, their Xbox branded "PC" will likely to cost more because of Xbox tax.

By freedom I mean you'll be able to run games from other stores, but I think you already knew what I meant.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Can't wait for this beast of a console

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

It'll be some custom silicon obviously and that in turn gets them an advantage that consumer brand hardware can't compete with.

Do you really think that anyone will give MS a wafer to produce it, considering that the order will be miniscule in the grand scheme of things?

PS5/Switch 2 sales are also there to shield Sony/Nintendo from supply issues, because they can secure at least some wafers with their order sizes.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

This will be dead on arrival.

It's hard to understand how a global player of this scale could make such consistently poor decisions.


The strategy pursued between 2022 and 2025 may have caused irreparable damage to the Xbox brand.

It is simple. MS at the top just doesn't care about gaming. It is a very small part of the company with low growth potential, so they don't gave a damn.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

So Microsoft want to sell you a PC controlled by them that will allow you to play games that get released on pc anyway.

Yikes.

 

[Botan32]

I already have a PC, so I'm not interested.

 

[nemiroff]

a PC controlled by them that will allow you to play games that get released on pc anyway.

That sounds like the definition of a console these days.

 

[Bernardougf]

So a Pc .. not a console ...

Im shocked. Shocked!.

But! Having said that...since my interest in Sony's first party has dropped to basically 0 this gen ... this can actually be a good next gen proposition if the price vs spec is attractive.

 

[adamsapple]

And made/sold by MS. Xbox PC is made by ASUS/MSI/etc but also using Magnus

If the 'console' SKU has all( (most) of the same functionality and retains all previous BC (including disc usage) then that's the no brainer choice for me.

 

[Darsxx82]

Do you really think that anyone will give MS a wafer to produce it, considering that the order will be miniscule in the grand scheme of things?

PS5/Switch 2 sales are also there to shield Sony/Nintendo from supply issues, because they can secure at least some wafers with their order sizes.

If we take the leaks and rumors at face value, Magnus isn't just for the new Xbox "console", its purpose extends beyond that. It will be used to update xCloud (which now uses XSX chips) and to serve as the foundation for Xbox OEM PCs.

AMD wouldn't have made the announcement the way they did (it was practically a fireworks display) and highlighted it in their financial statements if Magnus were limited to a very niche product for hardcore Xbox gamers.

So Microsoft want to sell you a PC controlled by them that will allow you to play games that get released on pc anyway.

Yikes.

Isn't that the description of what consoles are like today?

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

I hope this version of Windows will be available on other devices.

 

[Topher]

I also hope that they make a conventional console with Xbox version and subsidize the console which competes with PS6. If other OEM are making Xbox PC why not make a conventional console as well ?

Seems they are, per K KeplerL2 above. I hope they bring something different to the table. What they have been doing hasn't worked.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Xbox console and Xbox PC are 2 different things using the same hardware

What would be the point there?

 

[Smiggs]

I wonder if Copilot will delete your saves randomly just because it "misunderstood" something. True Windows AI experience then!

 

[MisterXDTV]

Xbox console is basically the Xbox PC branded by Microsoft with the additional hardware needed inside for the current backwards compatibility of Series consoles

So still a fucking PC

LOL

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I also hope that they make a conventional console with Xbox version and subsidize the console which competes with PS6. If other OEM are making Xbox PC why not make a conventional console as well ?

I don't see it being subsidized since it will run other store fronts like Steam thus its not going to compete with the PS6 as its going to be expensive as far as consoles go

I have zero clue on how expensive it could be but wouldn't shock me in the least if some of the OEM Xbox PCs are cheaper than the first party Xbox console

 

[Botan32]

I don't see it being subsidized since it will run other store fronts like Steam thus its not going to compete with the PS6 as its going to be expensive as far as consoles go

I have zero clue on how expensive it could be but wouldn't shock me in the least if some of the OEM Xbox PCs are cheaper than the first party Xbox console

Given the hardware and the memory shortage caused by AI...surely more than $1,000.

And the fact that it is not subsidized beforehand will not help matters.

 

[Astray]

No exclusives no point, and on top of that full backward compatibility for a minute I thought it would stretch all the way to the original Xbox, but I guess that's just a pipe dream...

Licensing makes that basically impossible tbh.

They might very well do that

Super curious as to what this is or maybe what they are might be more accurately worded

Really interesting to see if the Xbox console has indeed died for straight up Xbox PC

It wasn't terribly long ago it was still a thing but in all honesty I haven't gamed with those who know for sure for months so I am falling out of the loop by personal choice

I'm curious whether the core product got changed into something far more conservative.

Depending on when it releases, RAM issues could make this machine go from $$$$ to pure unobtainium.

 

[RAIDEN1]

Licensing makes that basically impossible tbh.



I'm curious whether the core product got changed into something far more conservative.

Depending on when it releases, RAM issues could make this machine go from $$$$ to pure unobtainium.

Yeah but a similar project to their backward compatibility project they did a few years ago, (which allowed you to play the likes of Panzer Dragoon Orta, Burnout...) would be MORE than welcome...but they won't do it....

 

[SScorpio]

Licensing makes that basically impossible tbh.

If it's really "full" backward compatibility on what runs on the XSX, then it will be able to run some original Xbox games which are available on the digital store. There are also some games that aren't sold, but putting an original Xbox disk in will let you play, I believe Jet Set Radio Future is like this.

I also question the licensing issue. We already know emulators are legal. So why can't Microsoft their own emulator for Windows. The issue with a generic Xbox or 360 emulator is just compatibility. Each backwards compatible game right now is custom rather than a generic wrapper.

 

[Broad Spectrum]

Honestly, if a console-first Windows 11 UI means a stripped down version of Windows without the bloat and spyware this is a step in the right direction. That being said, it's Microsoft. I have serious doubts that they're capable of giving people what they want at this point.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Xbox console is basically the Xbox PC branded by Microsoft with the additional hardware needed inside for the current backwards compatibility of Series consoles

So still a fucking PC

LOL

i dont know many PCs with soldered memory but I would say its close to a lower end laptop that might have soldered memory and not SODIMM. so, kinda like a Frankenstein console. Console motherboard / spec design with an APU etc inside a console case running a PC / Console OS hybrid.

One thing I know about MS design team, the series S and X were amazing designed. The Series S just needed more and faster memory. They are silent and very solid, well made products.

 

[memoryman3]

Cool story bro. I don't get how anyone wouldn't want to move on from Windows when its clear that Microsoft has no desire or skill to improve it and make it gamer friendly.

Didn't Xbox President Sarah Bond announce that the Windows and Xbox teams were actively working on making Windows "the number one platform for gaming"?

Licensing makes that basically impossible tbh.



I'm curious whether the core product got changed into something far more conservative.

Depending on when it releases, RAM issues could make this machine go from $$$$ to pure unobtainium.

The problem is, this machine is going to need a lot of RAM if it is to be competitive with PS6.

32GB DDR5 + 24GB GDD7 at minimum, perhaps even 36GB of GDDR7. If we are to believe K KeplerL2 's claim of PS6 shipping with 30GB VRAM.

 

[Punished Miku]

One thing I know about MS design team, the series S and X were amazing designed. The Series S just needed more and faster memory. They are silent and very solid, well made products.

Yep. If we get a PC that looks and sounds like a Series X, that's awesome.