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[coffinbirth]

It's just another LCD, nothing wrong with that statement.

So bloom still not fixed on LCD:

Off topic, but this just reminded me that I used to calibrate my picture settings with The Warriors game because the menu was a ferris wheel with lights, and was very easy to make it look like fireworks with the wrong settings.

 

[Bojji]

Caleb tried to do damage control for RGB backlight but basically confirmed all the issued LG pointed out, lol:

 

[Mister Wolf]

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Bro, that looks great! A 70 inch version of that with the crazy brightness TCL is known for would be a knock-out TV.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Bro, that looks great! A 70 inch version of that with the crazy brightness TCL is known for would be a knock-out TV.

I'll wait for this tech to be offered in 65" from TCL in 2027 and then I might consider getting rid of my Samsung QN90A. Mini LED has come a long way since that first released.

 

[Bojji]

Now that looks like better tech (with less issues) than those RGB leds.

Quantum dots in general (for all kinds of tvs) will get nice upgrades this year (or maybe for next year models?).

 

[Mister Wolf]

Now that looks like better tech (with less issues) than those RGB leds.

Quantum dots in general (for all kinds of tvs) will get nice upgrades this year (or maybe for next year models?).

RGB LED seems like an unnecessary deviation. Will end up a tech dead end.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[Kerotan]

Caleb tried to do damage control for RGB backlight but basically confirmed all the issued LG pointed out, lol:

So despite all the buzzwords QD-OLED is king?

 

[Bojji]

LG vs. LG!

So despite all the buzzwords QD-OLED is king?

In many aspects, yes.

Edit: News for Samsung:

 

[[Sigma]]

I know I said I had no interest in buying an mini-led but i'am really interested in seeing how this tv shakes out(it's out of my price range anyway lol).

 

[Bojji]

 

[simpatico]

Can we just have plasma back?

TVs turned back into a commodity to me after my first non plasma "high end" purchase. Now it's whatever mid aisle deal at Costco strikes me. Maybe MiniLED will be the one. I will continue to try and worm one of those sub $100 BidFTA OLEDs. But I'm still seeing too many failure modes to make me comfy near MSRP.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

unrelated but this is news to me: for non-elite kuros, there's apparently a firmware hack that unlocks all elite features (isf picture modes, additional calibration options, etc).

trying it on my 5020fd this weekend.

 

[RSMan]

My TCL C8K 75 inch absolutely blows my old LG C2 out of the water. So much so its not even funny.

In fact, it looks superior to any high end sony TV.

Oled was great back in the day but mini led technology is far superior. My tcl has black levels on par with the best oled, motion clarity that is flawless on top of having 5000 nits of hdr brightness

Win

 

[yogaflame]

Micro RGB is future and a much better tech and potentially will be more affordable in the long run

 

[Meicyn]

My TCL C8K 75 inch absolutely blows my old LG C2 out of the water. So much so its not even funny.

In fact, it looks superior to any high end sony TV.

It really doesn't. You need more than raw brightness. PQ EOTF tracking accuracy continues to be a problem for TCL and Hisense, which is the key difference between those brands and what you get from Samsung, LG, Panasonic, and Sony on the high end. Sony has the advantage of being directly involved in movie production and producing reference monitors used by professionals, and so they tend to be at the top when it comes to matching creator intent.

TCL and Hisense provide better value for your dollar, but a superior picture? Nope. Not by objective measurements. Not yet.

 

[Signalis]

My TCL C8K 75 inch absolutely blows my old LG C2 out of the water. So much so its not even funny.

In fact, it looks superior to any high end sony TV.

Oled was great back in the day but mini led technology is far superior. My tcl has black levels on par with the best oled, motion clarity that is flawless on top of having 5000 nits of hdr brightness

Win

Enjoy your C8K, it is a very nice TV. You should get Fantasy Life I and play it, because you are clearly living in fantasy land if you think the C8K is better than an OLED or a high end Sony.

 

[RSMan]

Enjoy your C8K, it is a very nice TV. You should get Fantasy Life I and play it, because you are clearly living in fantasy land if you think the C8K is better than an OLED or a high end Sony.

For the amount you pay for a high end sony TV. Ill settle for c8k that's matches it and even surpasses it in some aspects for less than quarter of the price.

C8k with the latest v590 also improved the TV dramatically. Colour accuracy, HDR highlights and motion clarity is faultless. Local dimming and black levels literally could not get any better. Its 100% on par with any oled.

No denying a high end oled or sony TV is superb but you're paying a ridiculous amount with subtle improvements.

 

[Signalis]

For the amount you pay for a high end sony TV. Ill settle for c8k that's matches it and even surpasses it in some aspects for less than quarter of the price.

C8k with the latest v590 also improved the TV dramatically. Colour accuracy, HDR highlights and motion clarity is faultless. Local dimming and black levels literally could not get any better. Its 100% on par with any oled.

No denying a high end oled or sony TV is superb but you're paying a ridiculous amount with subtle improvements.

you are clearly living in fantasy land if you think the C8K is better than an OLED or a high end Sony.

 

[Mister Wolf]

you are clearly living in fantasy land if you think the C8K is better than an OLED or a high end Sony.

Diminishing returns.

 

[Bojji]

Micro RGB is future and a much better tech and potentially will be more affordable in the long run

It's not, it has the same flaws LCD screens had for decades (+ new ones like color fringing).

True future is micro LED, QDEL, or something similar. Right now OLED still dominates.

 

[peish]

TCL IIRC, bought over many LG and Samsung LCD patents and hardware

TCL is the king of LCD TV today. Their TV was recently crowned RTings most durable (albeit tiny sample size)

TCL has massive China fundings. It is not surprises they can compete against Oled on many metrics.

Good times that TCL is keeping LCD technology competitive

 

[RSMan]

you are clearly living in fantasy land if you think the C8K is better than an OLED or a high end Sony.

I just provided you with facts. A video with a professional calibrator. It rivalled a 30k sony reference tv.

Not much else to say.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

So despite all the buzzwords QD-OLED is king?

QD-OLED is fucking masterful.
In fact, gonna smoke a J outside in the cold while this Panel Protect does it's thing. BRB.

 

[Signalis]

I just provided you with facts. A video with a professional calibrator. It rivalled a 30k sony reference tv.

Not much else to say.

Listen mate. A mini-led, rgb-led, will literally never surpass an OLED display. The only tech that can do that is micro-led. And we're still far far far away from that. Instead of enjoying your TCL, you have to come
shitpost here trying to convince people your TCL is better than an OLED and on par with a high end Sony. Not going to happen, I say good day.

 

[dotnotbot]

I just provided you with facts. A video with a professional calibrator. It rivalled a 30k sony reference tv.

Not much else to say.

FOMO isn't professional calibrator, he's just a youtube tech bro often mixing basic terms. Youtube video in SDR won't show you how does the TV really look in a dark room.

There's no way miniLED with limited number of zones will match OLED. There will always be challenging scenes where it either crushes blacks or dims down the highlights or shows some blooming/elevated blacks. You can't replace pixel level light control.

 

[DJTaurus]

RGB solution from Sony is patented and different from Chinese manufacturers….. so LG get into cope mode before Sony dropping another masterpiece…… another master Sony TV that will once again take all the awards. Year after year!!!

 

[Buggy Loop]

RGB solution from Sony is patented and different from Chinese manufacturers….. so LG get into cope mode before Sony dropping another masterpiece…… another master Sony TV that will once again take all the awards. Year after year!!!

Yes Sony has been wiping the floor with mini-LED, not even close to other mini-LED manufacturers. Even in the days of 80 mini led array they would seriously be really good compared to the Chinese ones with 500 arrays.

 

[dotnotbot]

Listen mate. A mini-led, rgb-led, will literally never surpass an OLED display. The only tech that can do that is micro-led. And we're still far far far away from that. Instead of enjoying your TCL, you have to come
shitpost here trying to convince people your TCL is better than an OLED and on par with a high end Sony. Not going to happen, I say good day.

I just learned AWALL microLED has really awful near-black gradation and black crush, precise near-black control on microLED is a big trouble right now:

https://www.avsforum.com/posts/64400257/

So there's literally no tech available that is closer to perfect quality and reference picture than LG Tandem WOLED and QD-OLED (unless you want to downgrade to 32" and buy a dual-layer reference monitor).

AWALL microLED:

QD-OLED:

(in reality all the steps down to 65 are visible but it's hard to capture on camera, 64 is reference black)

 

[Bojji]

RGB solution from Sony is patented and different from Chinese manufacturers….. so LG get into cope mode before Sony dropping another masterpiece…… another master Sony TV that will once again take all the awards. Year after year!!!

It's still LCD tech...

 

[YeulEmeralda]

I don't want an OLED because I absolutely hate babysitting my TV. Until micro led this is as good as it gets.

 

[Yamisan]

Who cares what LG thinks. They make TVs for poor people.

 

[Ulysses 31]

It's still LCD tech...

2025/2026's LCD tech yeah.

Let's not act as if there've been no significant improvements since the 2000's.

 

[Signalis]

I just learned AWALL microLED has really awful near-black gradation and black crush, precise near-black control on microLED is a big trouble right now:

https://www.avsforum.com/posts/64400257/

So there's literally no tech available that is closer to perfect quality and reference picture than LG Tandem WOLED and QD-OLED (unless you want to downgrade to 32" and buy a dual-layer reference monitor).

AWALL microLED:

QD-OLED:

(in reality all the steps down to 65 are visible but it's hard to capture on camera, 64 is reference black)

Good find! So OLED will still be king for quite some time. I see the poster is aron7awol, the guy knows his shit when it comes to TVs!

 

[Bojji]

2025/2026's LCD tech yeah.

Let's not act as if there've been no significant improvements since the 2000's.

Yes, of course - but improvements are mainly in backlight tech, old VA and IPS tech is still used as screens. So poor viewing angles, low pixel response (compared to OLED, mainly VA problem) and mediocre contrast (mainly IPS problem).

Fancy backlight tech can mitigate issues with contrast but's that it basically. Of course OLED has its own set of issues but overall it's still the best screen technology available to consumers.