Yes, it was fine for the time.
Yes, the first manufacturer to release its console because the second stick was hardly justified in 1998. They planned for a fine controller with a great stick, analog triggers, and a button layout that allowed for FPS to be playable in good condition, and that inherited from the Saturn 3D controller.
Actually, Sega's downfall was happening with or without Sony due to the many bad decisions made in the years prior.
Honestly, if Sony never entered gaming probably would be a lot smaller.
Or without Sony showing how massively successful consoles could be other companies would have given up so we'd end up with systems taking the Switch approach earlier on/from more companies since portables had already proven themselves (to the point Sony also tried them despite PS2)
I don't think other companies would have necessarily given up.Or without Sony showing how massively successful consoles could be other companies would have given up so we'd end up with systems taking the Switch approach earlier on/from more companies since portables had already proven themselves (to the point Sony also tried them despite PS2)
For sure
Sega's overall expenditures and Osborning of the Saturn had a bit more to do with killing their momentum.
True, however Sega seemed slow to adjust to the change of arcade games being phased out in favor of longer console experiences.
Thing was built to last.Regardless of why the DC died, it is still my favorite console to this day, and thankfully my launch day DC still works just fine!
Instant_Classic said:
This started in the 80s with the Master System. Not with the Dreamcast lol. There have been console exclusive efforts ever since SEGA started to release consoles.
There was, if you had experience with PC FPS games.
Yes, and what was Sega's Mario 64 or OoT moment, to show this transition was going successfully?
Cool but we are talking about console players here. And left handed people play with the mouse to the left. Hardly relevant.
Moving goal posts ? How is this question relevant in any way to your previous (wrong) statement ? Are we now talking about successful console games now that we have proven your point about games having no content being wrong ?
It's relevant because the whole movement on the left side and direction on the right side started as the standard on PCs, mostly because FPS were huge on that platform. And then consoles followed it.
It was irrelevant to players who had only played on consoles. I couldn't care less about how PC games played back then. If PC is so much of a reference on how to play games, then why are we still playing with controllers ?
There aren't any goal posts being moved.
While it's possible to play with KB + M on Dreamcast, that didn't satisfy the feeling people got from playing Halo CE at lan parties in four player split screen per Xbox.
Honestly, Sonic Adventure is pretty good.
I clearly understand that you moved the goal post. First it was "Dreancast only had arcade games" and suddenly, after you were proven wrong, it became "Dreamcast did not have these PS2 games".
The premise of the argument, or at least what it became, was that SEGA were dumb for not putting a second stick, and thus having aiming on the left. And that PC setup of mouse + keyboard should have inspired them.
I don't think the DVD drive or Zip drive add ons would have helped the console.
I never said it was not because "Dreamcast didn't have the PS2 games".
How many times are you going to repeat the exact same thing exactly ?
And when proved wrong, you moved the goal post to :
I'm saying consoles eventually followed this standard. Which means you have to rewire your brain anyway going from single stick controllers to dual analog, even if you never played on PCs. I'm saying, if you played on PCs the dual analog standard was already second nature. Because it was the scheme that made sense. Any console with a standard dual analog (or the weird N64 pad) never had to make any such transition. The DC would eventually need a dual analog controller, making the standard one obsolete because the controls were inverted compared to the upcoming dual analog standard.
Pointless? You had the keyboard on the left and mouse on the right, correct? So how it was pointless? That's the entire point:
Even now, wow, I really expected Saturn FPS to have been patched with dual analog in the last 30 years, sucks to find out otherwise, well, good old lazy Sega, like how hard is it to bring out an adapter for Dual Shock (btw that released after all Saturn's FPS) and an update service for the systemnkarafo said:
Let's not conflate things - data duplication has nothing to do with compression. On optical (and eventually mechanical) drives it was common practice to place assets to minimise seek times. Which in some cases means you'd duplicate them across drive to keep data-access linear.
Most GCN multiplatforms had dramatic cuts to Audio and Video quality to fit the disc sizes. On average - there was something like 50-75% cut in bitrates (lossy) to compensate for disc-space. In many cases - other assets were also compromised.
You didn't have to rewire anything as the Dreamcast/Saturn layout was your first introduction to FPS. People either played with the controller or the mouse, they weren't constantly changing lol.
It wasn't anyway as the only thing that is analog is the mouse. The keyboard is actually the same as hitting the 4 face buttons rather than a stick.
You had to rewire later on when the standard was implemented. Which would force Sega to release a dual analog controller. Thus, the original DC controller was not good enough for a 6th gen console.
No, Sega should have looked into the future and release a dual analog controller. Like Sony did. When you release a new console that you expect to play games for the next 5-6 years, of course you are going to look into the future.
But the face buttons are on the right side. The WASD keys on the keyboard are on the left. So no, not the same.
This is so dumb I can't believe it. So we are now reproaching SEGA to not have anticipated what would become a standard years later ? Wow. Unbelievable.
I understand that it was fucking pointless. I have been playing Dreamcast since the release and never felt I was missing a second stick.
