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[Baki]

Well when MLiD first talked about the PS6 specs, he said it was from a leaked AMD proposal document to Sony.

Which isn't much different from his full specs leak. Just more information added.

It would be funny if both Orion and Canis specs we have so far turn out to be just AMD proposals and not actually the real specs.

K KeplerL2 confirmed Orion and Canis specs and mentioned a0 tapeout is happening this quarter. So specs will be fixed after that, bar things like clock speeds and even ram type and amount.

 

[twilo99]

It is a $1000 card so not expecting this below that mark.

We might finally get a proper gaming machine that isn't using outdated parts from the get go

 

[SegaSnatcher]

I seriously doubt ram prices will cause a delay in 2027 and at the end of the day this with be marketed to enthusiasts with the money on hand.

Also, this will not cost $2K. Xbox is not that crazy. Though, I could see this hit the $1299 - $1499 price point.

 

[NickFire]

The price range everyone is expecting is making me start to think this thing is doa. Even if it can be used just for steam without a gamepass sub (and I'm finding it doubtful because that will happen with a good percent of these if you can). It's just so much money for console families and pc players probably have pcs already.

 

[SegaSnatcher]

I also think $599 - $699 tops for PS6 and probably $399 - $499 for the hybrid handheld.

 

[demigod]

I can already see it coming: A €1200 Xbox and then Sony going like "Hey, we can easily undercut that with €1000 and for the casual crowd we'll drop a PS5 Lite for €800."

So you think a more powerful APU and ram will only cost them 200 euro more? You think they will allow steam and other store fronts on there meanwhile making no profit at all on the hardware? What a brilliant idea.

 

[SegaSnatcher]

The price range everyone is expecting is making me start to think this thing is doa. Even if it can be used just for steam without a gamepass sub (and I'm finding it doubtful because that will happen with a good percent of these if you can). It's just so much money for console families and pc players probably have pcs already.

Its not for console families, but gaming enthusiasts. They dropped out of the console race trying to target casuals.

 

[Loxus]

K KeplerL2 confirmed Orion and Canis specs and mentioned a0 tapeout is happening this quarter. So specs will be fixed after that, bar things like clock speeds and even ram type and amount.

Could still be the same proposal specs that he is confirming.

 

[Topher]

Kinda weird to see people assume Sony is going to save them and keep costs down... if you want a cheaper console you are going to get a lot lower specs on a next gen machine. Pick your poison. Id rather pay more for a beefy ass machine and enjoy most power I could get for the next generation of my favorite hobby. And not in a pc, I already have a high end gaming pc and only use it for simple work tasks. Anyone praying for Sony to spit out a $700 ps6 will not be happy with the end product imo.

Lower spec, cheaper systems are the definition of a console and why they exist.

'We're Not Growing the Market with $1000 Consoles'
~some guy

You would think that was something that was said 50 years ago.

 

[Negotiator101]

Just how powerful is this likely to be then?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Lower spec, cheaper systems are the definition of a console and why they exist.

'We're Not Growing the Market with $1000 Consoles'
~some guy

You would think that was something that was said 50 years ago.

As the same guy whispers under his breath soft enough so the mic doesn't pick it up "But I didn't say the $1000+ console wasn't coming"

 

[Bojji]

Just how powerful is this likely to be then?

Still among the top togs (close to 5080). But remember...

 

[Jigsaah]

Hmmm, could be interesting if it's easy to fit in the living room. It's the one thing I can't do with my PC without it looking/feeling awkward.

I can't see this being less than $1000 though. Seems like a good fit for folks who aren't really looking for a full PC experience, and want the entertainment to remain in the living room.

suppose it could work for those who want a small factor PC experience as well.

 

[Topher]

As the same guy whispers under his breath soft enough so the mic doesn't pick it up "But I didn't say the $1000+ console wasn't coming"

Yep. Just the same ole hypocrisy we have come to expect from the guy.

 

[Shogmaster]

Just how powerful is this likely to be then?

Around RTX 5080 but with 36~48GB of GDDR7 of which 20GB+ would available for VRAM.

 

[GHG]

Kinda weird to see people assume Sony is going to save them and keep costs down... if you want a cheaper console you are going to get a lot lower specs on a next gen machine. Pick your poison. Id rather pay more for a beefy ass machine and enjoy most power I could get for the next generation of my favorite hobby. And not in a pc, I already have a high end gaming pc and only use it for simple work tasks. Anyone praying for Sony to spit out a $700 ps6 will not be happy with the end product imo.

This is a strange angle to take considering $700 (when adjusted for inflation) is a lot closer to what most people are used to paying for a new console than a product that will more than double the inflation adjusted entry cost.

But that's the point of the device, it's not to try and attaract new people, it's to provide an off-ramp to those deeply and emotionally entrenched in the Xbox ecosystem and refuse to leave even if they spit on your face to the tune of $1500+ dollars.

It's kind of a "eh, why not scenario" to take advantage of those most loyal to them, and frankly from a business perspective, it's understandable.

 

[videogamedude]

you can just tell videogames are going to be more fun on this thing

 

[Ozriel]

You're just being a pedant and it's frankly annoying. We know from several previous threads that performance is estimated around a 5080 and from other leaks including Sarah Bond, we know the price ranges from $1000 - $1500

there are exactly zero leaks that credibly detail the price, and $1000 - $1500 is a really wide range indeed. All Sarah Bond has ever said or insinuated is that it will be a 'premium console'.

But that said, it's beyond hilarious that you think it has an RTX 5080 tier performance and still consider it shitty value at $1000. In case you're unaware, RTX 5080 prebuilts cost over $2000. Even worse if you're looking at small form factor PCs.

No games will be made for this specific sku. It's just a pc and will run windows version of the game with preconfigured launch settings.

Microsoft will definitely be issuing dev kits to third party developers, and the GDK will definitely address the hardware. The notion that devs will do no optimization for the hardware is more rooted in wishful thinking than logic.

Microsoft's devs will optimize for the hardware. Third party devs have devkits for the hardware.
Heck, Sony's PlayStation games already run better as PC ports than on the console itself.

Steel yourself for disappointment if you're hinging your hopes on developers doing nothing to push the envelope on it. We don't live in a world where high end GPUs don't have additional visual settings over weaker GPUs in most games.

I'd respond to the rest but like I said, you're now starting to annoy me.

Apologies for hurting you

 

[ExtendEmbraceExtinguish]

Lower spec, cheaper systems are the definition of a console and why they exist.

'We're Not Growing the Market with $1000 Consoles'
~some guy

You would think that was something that was said 50 years ago.

I honestly read that statement as expect a 1k console since prior call was do not expect a reduction in hardware price/cost we had in previous gens.

 

[Topher]

I honestly read that statement as expect a 1k console since prior call was do not expect a reduction in hardware price/cost we had in previous gens.

Seemed like a shot at PS5 Pro to me.

 

[StereoVsn]

For sure they don't have any contract for GDDR7. Memory producers are now making 6 months contracts, and that is with trillion dollar companies. Sony is not on the level of Apple, Samsung, Nvidia, MS etc...

Apple themselves got lesser priority vs Nvidia and others. So they are paying higher price and also lost the top spot at TSMC.

Sony is nowhere near Apple in scope.

 

[adamsapple]

Still among the top togs (close to 5080). But remember...

Looking around bestbuy, 5080 equipped PC's from lower-end pre-built sources like iBuypower are like $2500 to $3000.

An Xbox Magnus that can match/exceed that and carry over your Xbox library at $1000~$1299 sounds nuts.

 

[StereoVsn]

Couple thing this doesn't account for are crazy prices for RAM/NAND and higher wafer costs from TSMC.

So take the day $650 console and add at least another $150 for above. It's going to be really interesting to see what Sony does with pricing and release timing for PS6.

Magnus is going to run over $1500, no doubt, but that's really a different market from a PS6.

 

[PeteBull]

Full disclousure, im hyped for it, even if i dont buy it(maybe i will, who knows, nothing is set in stone yet) i want its specs to be officially announced, lets put some preasure both on sony and pc market too, bring back some healthy or even not so healthy competition.

 

[demigod]

??
It's just as true that MS is selling XS consoles at a price where it's clearly not competitive with the PS5... as it is that the claim that the 2TB XSX is 800$ is totally not true.

XSX 1Tb digital is 549'99€
XSX 1Tb disc is 599'99€
XSX 2TB disc Galactic is 699'99€ (this is a special edition console basically VS PS5PRO 799'99€.)

Clearly, Microsoft is selling its consoles while trying not to lose money on each one, even if it means decimating sales figures. Microsoft has clearly decided they already amortized the Xbox Series gen hardware, and the sales slowdown is being offset by game sales on other platforms.

The decisions regarding the new Xbox Next take this new situation into account, which is why they're focusing on a "niche" premium product with an unsubsidized price, unlike the traditional console, to attract hardcore Xbox fans who make up the majority of current GPU subscribers and are the biggest spenders.
A very powerful and premium Xbox "console," which runs Xbox Studios games better than the "competition" (that now have these games too), with the largest possible catalog on a platform, (perhaps the possible) no online play fees, and which even serves as a benchmark for events and showcases... it's certainly a product that can generate better press and a better brand image (something Xbox needs a lot now) on social media and forums than a traditional Xbox console without exclusives, with a catalog and third-party support that will be always in question, and with hardly any differentiation from what offer a PlayStation in hardware.

In other words, a premium product with low risk for both Microsoft and its potential users, designed to generate revenue from the Xbox store and impulse it .... while selling its games on most of the platforms that were previously competitors.

The strategy couldn't be clearer at this point. It makes perfect sense given the reality of Xbox (multiplatform) and Microsoft itself (separate Windows Gaming and Xbox no longer make sense). How it's executed and how successful it is is another matter entirely.

What are you talking about? It's $800 here in USA.

 

[Shogmaster]

Apologies for hurting you

What about me? You second hand hurt my feewings...

 

[adamsapple]

Full disclousure, im hyped for it, even if i dont buy it(maybe i will, who knows, nothing is set in stone yet) i want its specs to be officially announced, lets put some preasure both on sony and pc market too, bring back some healthy or even not so healthy competition.

Let's get it started all proper like.

 

[Darsxx82]

What are you talking about? It's $800 here in USA.

Although (and as you've surely noticed) it doesn't change anything regarding the core of the comment... To be fair to the person I quoted, who was right regarding the price in the USA...True!! I just checked and I have no problem admitting that I got carried away by the prices here in the EU and forgot about Microsoft's latest price update to mitigate the impact of Trump's tariffs on Chinese products and electronic components in the USA. That's why the Xbox Series X 2TB Galactic here is (was, since it was a special edition) €100 cheaper than the PS5 Pro, while in the USA they have the same price: $799.

PS. I'll edit the comment in this point too .

Looking around bestbuy, 5080 equipped PC's from lower-end pre-built sources like iBuypower are like $2500 to $3000.

An Xbox Magnus that can match/exceed that and carry over your Xbox library at $1000~$1299 sounds nuts.

That's certainly the case TODAY... but to be fair, the comparison should be made with respect to PC prices at the time of the Xbox Next's launch (whether in 2027 or 2028).

We'll see how pricing and technology evolve. We'll also see about RAM prices and whether NVIDIA releases a new series around that time, or if AMD launches an RDNA 5 GPU... The picture could be very different in almost two years.

That said, I think Xbox Next will be well-priced compared to PC hardware when it launches... although still far from the price range of a traditional console.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Although (and as you've surely noticed) it doesn't change anything regarding the core of the comment... To be fair to the person I quoted, who was right regarding the price in the USA...True!! I just checked and I have no problem admitting that I got carried away by the prices here in the EU and forgot about Microsoft's latest price update to mitigate the impact of Trump's tariffs on Chinese products and electronic components in the USA. That's why the Xbox Series X 2TB Galactic here is (was, since it was a special edition) €100 cheaper than the PS5 Pro, while in the USA they have the same price: $799.

Well even your price in Euros converts to $824: https://www.likeforex.com/currency-converter/euro-eur_usd-us-dollar.htm/699.99

 

[Darsxx82]

Well even your price in Euros converts to $824: https://www.likeforex.com/currency-converter/euro-eur_usd-us-dollar.htm/699.99

But here the PS5 Pro price is €799.99, which is €100 more expensive in this comparison. That's actually where the confusion comes, from UE price VS USA price.

However, the price issue in the comment was just a minor point; it doesn't change the core of the matter.

 

[Killer8]

These companies need to transform their businesses into a mobile phone-style contract. Throw the cost of the console in with the Game Pass / PS+ sub and charge a monthly fee. Sony are already dipping into this idea in the UK with Flex, but that's just a bugman "you will own nothing and be happy" console leasing scam which doesn't actually save the customer much money.

People want to actually own things. And you also wouldn't believe what purchases they will rationalize when they can get it on credit. This is how the phone companies can get away with a $1000 flagship model every couple of years. Why not logically extend that model to consoles to soften the sticker shock caused by the RAMpocalypse? IMO, pushing a console + sub for $40 per month over 3 years sounds a lot better than announcing a $1000 RRP.

In the long run, these companies would actually make more money via the APR. Sony even has it's own Sony Financial Group they could use. It's baffling why they don't lean into this. Otherwise it's either a) subsidizing the hardware at a loss, or b) simply making their shit prohibitively expensive upfront.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Let's get it started all proper like.

Those little puppies are Canis. That are dogging orion.

Makes perfect sense.

 

[Beechos]

The issue is, once you start talking those kind of prices why not just buy a proper gaming PC that you can upgrade for years to come?

Its basically a botique pc at this point like a Alienware type pc with custom parts that are hard to upgrade. Alot of people prefer prebuilt pcs vs building their own still.

I guess they are going for the same demographic the steambox is aiming for albeit with the additional ability to play all xbox games. The end game for all these companies is to have us rent server time to play

 

[Beechos]

These companies need to transform their businesses into a mobile phone-style contract. Throw the cost of the console in with the Game Pass / PS+ sub and charge a monthly fee. Sony are already dipping into this idea in the UK with Flex, but that's just a bugman "you will own nothing and be happy" console leasing scam which doesn't actually save the customer much money.

People want to actually own things. And you also wouldn't believe what purchases they will rationalize when they can get it on credit. This is how the phone companies can get away with a $1000 flagship model every couple of years. Why not logically extend that model to consoles to soften the sticker shock caused by the RAMpocalypse? IMO, pushing a console + sub for $40 per month over 3 years sounds a lot better than announcing a $1000 RRP.

In the long run, these companies would actually make more money via the APR. Sony even has it's own Sony Financial Group they could use. It's baffling why they don't lean into this. Otherwise it's either a) subsidizing the hardware at a loss, or b) simply making their shit prohibitively expensive upfront.

Ms did something like this already not sure how successful it was though. It was gamepass and an xbox series for x/month

 

[DeepEnigma]

We might finally get a proper gaming machine that isn't using outdated parts from the get go

We already do.

It's called a PC, no?

You've said as much in the past yourself.

 

[ThroatPie]

I always loved Xbox hardware dating back to the OG. This might be something I replace my current PC with if it outspecs it. Would be cheaper. Depends if we get PS6 news before this launches. I don't have time for three ecosystems anymore.

 

[tmlDan]

If you think this is gonna be $1200 with those specs I'll happily come back and laugh in everyone's faces. MS does not subsidize their consoles anymore, they basically openly admitted it. It will cost at least 2 grand, if this is true.

 

[intbal]

If you think this is gonna be $1200 with those specs I'll happily come back and laugh in everyone's faces. MS does not subsidize their consoles anymore, they basically openly admitted it. It will cost at least 2 grand, if this is true.

I suspect they will give "Xbox All Access" another go. Sign a two year contract with monthly payments and pay a specific up front price that is lower than retail.
Maybe $500 with a contract (that ends up costing $2000 over two years).

 

[tmlDan]

I suspect they will give "Xbox All Access" another go. Sign a two year contract with monthly payments and pay a specific up front price that is lower than retail.
Maybe $500 with a contract (that ends up costing $2000 over two years).

That would prob be the best way to go about it, but still super costly for average people

 

[Topher]

We already do.

It's called a PC, no?

You've said as much in the past yourself.

No silly. PCs auto upgrade to the latest, greatest parts.

 

[Dorfdad]

Our perception is skewed… we hobbiests and live our games more than 90% of other gamers. We're on websites talking about them looking at every nuisance and calculating ever frame drop we're tweaking every setting trying to get 2% more fps. We're not the normal crowd for gamers we're niche! We're super critical. Most gamers just want to play game X they don't have multiple systems to compare it to. A PS5 is just as good to them as a high end gaming pc because they can play all the games they want.

I'm envious of them not knowing what 4k HDR raytracing, fsr, and dlss is and just playing a game and enjoying it for the story / experience!

 

[Shogmaster]

If you think this is gonna be $1200 with those specs I'll happily come back and laugh in everyone's faces. MS does not subsidize their consoles anymore, they basically openly admitted it. It will cost at least 2 grand, if this is true.

Its not doing bloated PC architecture:
- No giant discrete videocard with bulky houding, RGB, convoluted power connectors on PCIe slot requiring additional 400W of power and its own complex cooling rig.
- No separate pools of RAM requiring awkward DIMM slots.
- No complicated motherboards with huge margins for mobo ODM, no RGB BS to indicate "Gamer" mobo, no Gamer tax on the controller chip for the board.
- No need for a giant 850W PSU since you only need to power one fucking SoC that has CPU and GPU inside, only requiring around 400W unit.

Magnus only requires what consoles do:
- Single unified cooling set up
- simple layout with unified RAM soldered on the mobo around a single SoC and soldered PCIe NAND plus a single m.2 slot
- Smaller PSU with single set of cables to the motherboard

A 36GB RAM base Magnus box could be made for $1000, and sold with decent margins for $1200.

3rd party Magnus with 48GB of RAM and multiple m.2 slots, RGB BS could be made for $1200 and sold for $1500 for nice proifits.

$2000 is for bloated traditional ATX mATX PC rig with lots of added complexity for upgrade path. You will not upgrade Magnus box other than SSD.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Its not doing bloated PC architecture:
- No giant discrete videocard with bulky houding, RGB, convoluted power connectors on PCIe slot requiring additional 400W of power and its own complex cooling rig.
- No separate pools of RAM requiring awkward DIMM slots.
- No complicated motherboards with huge margins for mobo ODM, no RGB BS to indicate "Gamer" mobo, no Gamer tax on the controller chip for the board.
- No need for a giant 850W PSU since you only need to power one fucking SoC that has CPU and GPU inside, only requiring around 400W unit.

Magnus only requires what consoles do:
- Single unified cooling set up
- simple layout with unified RAM soldered on the mobo around a single SoC and soldered PCIe NAND plus a single m.2 slot
- Smaller PSU with single set of cables to the motherboard

A 36GB RAM base Magnus box could be made for $1000, and sold with decent margins for $1200.

3rd party Magnus with 48GB of RAM and multiple m.2 slots, RGB BS could be made for $1200 and sold for $1500 for nice proifits.

$2000 is for bloated traditional ATX mATX PC rig with lots of added complexity for upgrade path. You will not upgrade Nagnus box other than SSD.

Looking over at my PC fishtank case. There is mostly AIR inside.
I paid for AIR.

ATX stands for AIR TAX

 

[Shogmaster]

Looking over at my PC fishtank case. There is mostly AIR inside.
I paid for AIR.

ATX stands for AIR TAX

We've all been there...

I remember spending $2000 on Athlon XP 2200+ tower I put together in a ATX Lian Li case in 2002. I paid $2000 to put together a potato...

 

[Topher]

Looking over at my PC fishtank case. There is mostly AIR inside.
I paid for AIR.

ATX stands for AIR TAX

Air tax? Air flow is good for a PC.

 

[Shogmaster]

Air tax? Air flow is good for a PC.

All the cool kids do AIO lol

 

[Magic Carpet]

Air tax? Air flow is good for a PC.

The inside should have less Oxygen and Nitrogen and more of a certain other element. Silicon.
Where's the beef. The Silicon beef.

 

[Topher]

All the cool kids do AIO lol

pffft....show me some gradient RBG or GTFO

The inside should have less Oxygen and Nitrogen and more of a certain other element. Silicon.
Where's the beef. The Silicon beef.

 

[Shogmaster]

The inside should have less Oxygen and Nitrogen and more of a certain other element. Silicon.
Where's the beef. The Silicon beef.

Is that where I F'd up? I did Silicon potato instead of beef? PC Veganism was a mistake...

 

[splattered]

This is a strange angle to take considering $700 (when adjusted for inflation) is a lot closer to what most people are used to paying for a new console than a product that will more than double the inflation adjusted entry cost.

But that's the point of the device, it's not to try and attaract new people, it's to provide an off-ramp to those deeply and emotionally entrenched in the Xbox ecosystem and refuse to leave even if they spit on your face to the tune of $1500+ dollars.

It's kind of a "eh, why not scenario" to take advantage of those most loyal to them, and frankly from a business perspective, it's understandable.

Ahhh ok I see, Sony is gonna offer a fully next gen experience system for a lower price than the ps5 pro is currently selling for "because people are used to paying that now" and to undercut xbox and take their loyal customers..

Good luck with that

Maybe we will all be lucky and by the time these things release general pricing will come back down to earth somehow.