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The Panzer Dragoon Zwei: Remake gets a PC demo
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John Bilbo
Gold Member
The current resurgence of rail shooters is a surprise to be sure but a welcome one.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Im too lazy to download the demo is this DX9 per chance?
Werewolf Jones
Member
Finding a copy of the original next time I go to Japan. Remake looks soulless.
Valonquar
Member
Not sure if I just lovingly view the OG Saturn through nostalgia goggles, but the PD1 and now PD2 remke look like complete garbage. Maybe it's just because they are intentionally limiting things to just upping the resolution \ textures and changing nothing else at all. I think it would be better served as a proper REMAKE that stays as close as possible while adding tons of artful details so everything doesn't feel so barren and bland. The ground and backgrounds feel so fucking FLAT.
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John Bilbo
Gold Member
I played the demo with the two available dragons.
The main positive feature is that it runs well and smooth. Other than that it is shit. I recommend against even testing the demo.
There are barely any enemies and the ones that are there are not a threat. It is piss easy and empty. I have not played the original one so I cannot make a comparison.
The visual style is bland but the audio design is even more bland! The enemies do not telegraph anything. Not that they should as they barely attack the player.
It is interesting that you can move the camera in 90 degrees increments with the bumper buttons. It is not utilized in any interesting way though.
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Play Asura the Striker demo instead. The punching mechanic in that one promises an interesting puzzle for the player for higher scores and comboing different patterns of enemies.
The main positive feature is that it runs well and smooth. Other than that it is shit. I recommend against even testing the demo.
There are barely any enemies and the ones that are there are not a threat. It is piss easy and empty. I have not played the original one so I cannot make a comparison.
The visual style is bland but the audio design is even more bland! The enemies do not telegraph anything. Not that they should as they barely attack the player.
It is interesting that you can move the camera in 90 degrees increments with the bumper buttons. It is not utilized in any interesting way though.
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Play Asura the Striker demo instead. The punching mechanic in that one promises an interesting puzzle for the player for higher scores and comboing different patterns of enemies.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
At this point, i hope SEGA will release the PS2 version of PD (with PCSX2 it looks great), the Saturn version of Zwei and Saga, only with resolution increase, widescreen option and FPS fixes.
EverythingsOverrated
Member
Panzer Dragoon Orta is almost 25 years old and still looks way better than this (and the last PD remake).
Sega, c'mon guys.
Sega, c'mon guys.
bender
What time is it?
Part of the reason why I'm never selling my XSX.
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EverythingsOverrated
Member
Same. Orta and DOA2 ultimate are pretty damn good on the series X.
bender
What time is it?
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IbizaPocholo
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
original is vastly better.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
I guess it has improved a lot from the previous showings but it's still the wrong direction at its core just like the first game's remake and what's with the visible super close up loding of textures or shading or whatever (easily visible when going under the destroyed thing at 12:10 or so for example).
I thought Orta had already diluted the series art style, but it's glorious compared to the remakes.
I thought Orta had already diluted the series art style, but it's glorious compared to the remakes.
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RAIDEN1
Member
Yeah but surely the next-box slated for late 2027 would be able to play these titles, and improve them even more?
Generic
Member
But it runs at 15 fps.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Zwei is a solid 30fps on Saturn with minimal drops and 60fps in-engine cut scenes (though individual model animations still update at 30fps, their movement and camera movement is 60). The first game was more like 20fps with drops (and the wizard mode enabling 30fps with sped up gameplay).
(note the cables Saturn originally came with made mesh transparencies real transparencies on crt)
That has nothing to do with anything you said or I replied there, you posted completely fabricated bullshit about a game's framerate and you were corrected with the facts and video proof. I'm not your mother to care about your opinions or care to discuss those, I just corrected your blatant bs.Generic said:
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Pejo
Member
It looks better than the first game remake, but man...
Also, the original looks MUCH better on CRT than this video gives it credit for.
cireza
Member
Wrong.
The game keeps very close to constant 30fps which is quite great for the time and visual ambition.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Wow what a fucking downgrade. The sky box , lack of color , etc.
Generic
Member
3D games from the PS1/Saturn/N64 era didn't look good, everything was blurry and deformed. Objects and walls were made of paper.
I will never return to that era.
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Investor9872
Member
Just give me a Panzer Dragoon Saga Remake instead.
Miles708
Member
Please no.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
bender
What time is it?
Meicyn
Member
I logged an insane number of hours playing Panzer Dragoon Zwei. Was probably my most played Sega Saturn game.
I appreciate the attempt, but the remake feels too... sterile? Even the remastered soundtrack itself feels off. The Saturn version of the game used Cybersound's wavetable synthesis which gave it a very unique sound in the same way the Dreamcast version of Skies of Arcadia sounds so much better than the Gamecube director's cut version. My guess is Saori Kobayashi is involved again like she was for the previous remake, but frankly, her remake tracks were inferior to the originals composed by Yoshitaka Azuma. The Unexpected Enemy aka the Guardian Dragon final boss music track for Zwei is arguably the best song ever in the series, and I am concerned what this remake will do with it:
If you have a good sound system, the lower frequencies add a tremendous amount of depth to the song and based on Kobayashi's work lately, I fear her remake version will sound anemic comparatively, just like her stuff in Panzer Dragoon Orta was inferior to her work in Panzer Dragoon Saga that also used Cybersound. I hope I'm wrong, time will tell. I'm going to buy this remake to support more Sega IPs making a return, but I worry about what a Panzer Dragoon Saga remake might end up being like.
I appreciate the attempt, but the remake feels too... sterile? Even the remastered soundtrack itself feels off. The Saturn version of the game used Cybersound's wavetable synthesis which gave it a very unique sound in the same way the Dreamcast version of Skies of Arcadia sounds so much better than the Gamecube director's cut version. My guess is Saori Kobayashi is involved again like she was for the previous remake, but frankly, her remake tracks were inferior to the originals composed by Yoshitaka Azuma. The Unexpected Enemy aka the Guardian Dragon final boss music track for Zwei is arguably the best song ever in the series, and I am concerned what this remake will do with it:
If you have a good sound system, the lower frequencies add a tremendous amount of depth to the song and based on Kobayashi's work lately, I fear her remake version will sound anemic comparatively, just like her stuff in Panzer Dragoon Orta was inferior to her work in Panzer Dragoon Saga that also used Cybersound. I hope I'm wrong, time will tell. I'm going to buy this remake to support more Sega IPs making a return, but I worry about what a Panzer Dragoon Saga remake might end up being like.
tomato shrub
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Demake
VGEsoterica
Member
oof
Miles708
Member
"Calling it a dimpster fire is an insult to the warmth of a dumpster fire" loool.
You've been even too kind, everyone involved in this trash tier shovelware should be ashamed of themselves.
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Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Those bendy cables being what's connecting their contemporary tech ships to the unearthed ancient lost high tech float engines make no sense either. They kind of resembled air balloons but instead of ropes they were usually rigid structures, or grafted directly on the float engines, like zeppelins. Granted as you damage this boss in the original game they seem to have some movement independent from the bulk of the ship but you could chalk that up to a way to show it taking damage and even so the physics would probably be more like ropes, always having tension pulling on the ship.
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cartman414
Member
Decomp future please.
loktaiextatus
Member
The issue with PDS is the entire code base was lost, thats why it never got any of those or a re-release later.... they cant re-release the game only emulate it and hack those things... the FPS thing would just be a matter of the system emulating it. Thats not impossible, but it makes things a little harder as far as releasing a polished product with any modern updates or things like button references being apparent in-game, etc. But yes I agree with you. And maybe they package it with the XBOX Panzer Dragoon for the sake of complete ownage.
nush
Member
Well, the gaming community will one day be able to decompile this. Just wait it out.
loktaiextatus
Member
yes... but we're talking about a retail product and having what can be worked with properly, decomplications tend to be pretty broken and not necessarily just recompile as intended, so its going to be a bit of work. Just like with emulation we would be looking at a lot of hoops versus if it were more like... FF7 and had multiple ports and updates over time. I would be very happy to see it though- that said I am fine with emulation and running on hardware *( I own several saturns in various states of moddedness including my original US saturn soldered to japanese region Ive owned since 1997 or so)