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[asdasdasdbb]

Record profits and they pull shit like this. This is MS level of evil and idiocy.

I have a feeling that if Sony is going to continue to do more remasters/remakes... it's gonna be done in China.

Austin, while not as pricey as LA, is not cheap either.

 

[Montauk]

But that's an appeal to authority fallacy. They certainly do have information we don't—hard sales numbers and the complete development timeline of the company, for starters—but knowing more doesn't automatically mean the decisions they make with that information any better. These same leaders had that same suite of information when they green lit bomb after bomb while tripping over themselves to try to follow live service trends (without the vision and passion to understand what made the OG giants and innovators in the space successful).

Sure, they have their reasons, but their track record—especially for consumers that loved their first party offerings—doesn't and shouldn't inspire confidence that they're making the right call here.

I didn't say they were right.

 

[Physiognomonics]

They got rid of them because they are not interested into some remake exclusive to PS5, like Demon's Souls is. They want a team that do PC /PS5 remakes, which Bluepoint is not.

 

[JayK47]

GAF really really likes remakes. Holy crap. Over 1800 posts.

Truly the state of the industry. New games are such ass, we just want remakes and remakes of remakes of actually good games. I hear ya. I want to have a good remake of Deus Ex and NOLF.

Remakes seem like the kind of thing AI could do really well though, so maybe this is just a casualty of AI. In a few years, I will probably just be able to ask AI to remake any old game I want and no need to wait for a formal remake from these dying game developers.

 

[Euler007]

They absolutely did. The Demon's Souls remake is a disgrace. I love the origial and remember being excited about this remake when it just got announced, but at the time I didn't know much about bluepoint. Shame it turned out being such a waste of opportunity, and an egregious one at that.

Not surprised in the slightest they got axed.

Counterpoint : it looks amazing and guys like you shitting on their work is a big part of why we lost them.

 

[deeptech]

GAF really really likes remakes. Holy crap. Over 1800 posts.

Truly the state of the industry. New games are such ass, we just want remakes and remakes of remakes of actually good games. I hear ya. I want to have a good remake of Deus Ex and NOLF.

Remakes seem like the kind of thing AI could do really well though, so maybe this is just a casualty of AI. In a few years, I will probably just be able to ask AI to remake any old game I want and no need to wait for a formal remake from these dying game developers.

Great, did you see those AI renderings of DKC from SNES, looks sick. A bit dev input a bit more AI (lol) and we would have great stuff in a year of devtime.
One could sense sometime ago when in PS4 era remasters began to swarm the platform, risk was too dangerous, games were already "safer" and shittier. Like PS4 will only be remembered as Bloodborne/GTAV console in 10 years.

 

[manfestival]

but... bloodborne remake/remaster

 

[Bernardougf]

It's so pervasive that even the idiot fanboys drone on about profits instead of games.

This is the truly saddest part.

 

[_Ex_]

I've quit gaming / I'm completely distancing myself from social media and forums / I came here just to say goodbye

 

[DenchDeckard]

I wonder JUST how many people bought a ps5 launch because of the Demons souls remake. It was the most hyped shit. So many in here saying they did. Must be at least a few hundred thousand worldwide at launch.

RIP

 

[bighugeguns]

I just get this feeling some random ass corpo spreadsheet warrior somewhere in Japan made the biggest mistake of his life. I don't think the Western leadership had anything to do with this. The decision is too alien.

Someone mentioned in a post that the Western guys basically just follow ad hoc orders as they come down from Japan.

How would you even begin to articulate the importance of little Bluepoint to guys like that.

Maybe the term "prestige studio" just isn't part of their corporate vocabulary.

Just my speculation.

 

[Saber]

john linneman tearing sony a new one

I knew he would. He loved Demon Souls from BP.
Finally he spitting some harsh truths. He would rather have everyone pushing this GaaS shit be fired.

 

[Knight of the Round]

I wonder JUST how many people bought a ps5 launch because of the Demons souls remake. It was the most hyped shit. So many in here saying they did. Must be at least a few hundred thousand worldwide at launch.

RIP

I bought it and I don't even have a fucking PS5. That's how much I wanted it.

 

[Famipan]

Ok so the dream of Bloodborne remake for PS6 is dead?

Could From Software acquire Bluepoint or their knowhow?

Micolash:
"No, we shall not abandon the dream. No one can catch us! No one can stop us now!"

"As you once did for the vacuous Rom, grant us eyes, grant us eyes. Plant eyes on our brains, to cleanse our beastly idiocy."

"Now I'm waking up, I'll forget everything..." (Upon defeat)

 

[Dafegamer]

Seems like the "Bluepoint were never good" gaslighting has begun. The fanboys are now spinning the leaked 2024 sales figures as a negative to use as some freak justification for killing the company.

Remember that Sony acquired Bluepoint 1 year after Demon's Souls Remake had released and already sold the bulk of its copies. Now why would Sony look at Bluepoint's financial performance and choose to acquire a studio who apparently were never actually any good and made games which sold poorly? Are large conglomerates frequently in the business of acquiring losers? The answer is no, of course not, and that Sony must've been happy with the sales of their games at the time of purchase.

So the shitting on the sales figures is really just a deranged, post hoc justification being deployed by the fanboys to excuse yet another terrible outcome resulting from Sony's mismanagement. And it is mismanagement, because what idiot in the Sony top brass would say to themselves "let's acquire this developer specifically known for great remakes, and then not have them continue to work on great remakes"?

The spin at this point then places the blame on Bluepoint for apparently not wanting to work on remakes any more and instead wanting to work on their own (live service) game. Even if that were true, competent management should've be able to identify a mismatch in skillset and say "no". If Bungie turned round and said they were really big baseball fans, should Sony indulge a request to let them work on MLB?

If Sony didn't think they actually needed a remake factory, perhaps they shouldn't have fucking bought them to begin with. Maybe then Bluepoint may still be alive today.

The Defense Force is usually from those Corpo Bootlickers that defend any misshap made by those Executives (Like seriously being a Console Fanboy to the point of ignoring someone's sense of judgement or basic critical thinking skills just because the said Executive Leads your favourite Gaming Brand/Company, no wonder Phil Spencer and Hermen Hulst gained some sort of Celebrity Status 🫩) just because they can't criticize your favourite Gaming Company. Any normal Gamer would rightfully criticize how bad the management is from those Executives without blaming the innocent Devs that were basically forced to make those Games

 

[Dafegamer]

Dreams 2? they are neck deep in a new IP (a game, not a creation tool)

Media Molecule is a very Talented developer with a great Portfolio of acclaimed Games and Game/Tool hybrids. LBP was one of the few "Live Service" Sony had during the PS3, and it actually might be one of the few things which inspired the Release of Minecraft a year later.

There was nothing like it during those days. I hope the silence from them meand that they've been working on a very creative, probably innovative game. If they close MM, I might actually just stick to PC gaming instead.

Also you want to rely on "Live Service" but didn't have any LBP game in development that might benefit from it???? Really shows how "smart" and "great" Jim Ryan and Hermen Hulst were, when they pitched those "GA(A)S" Ideas

I know they had LBP "Hub" in development at some point, they could've resurrected that Idea, If they want to push for more Live Service Games + Plus LBP already had an established Fanbase....

 

[SkylineRKR]

I like Bluepoint and I don't agree with SIE's current direction but BP delivered a Demon's Souls remake that didn't sell gangbusters and 5 years later nothing else besides support work. I can imagine they don't come cheap to maintain.

And as far as a Bloodborne remake goes. Really, a lot of x-enhanced and reverse engineered projects like Sonic Unleashed are flawless without touching the core gameplay. And if the game is altered, we've seen that Bloober did a great job on SH2.

You don't really need BP for a good Bloodborne remaster. I think this is kind of the problem, they were ahead of the curve with God of War way back but nowadays I wouldn't invest in a remaster studio.

 

[MirageOdyssey89]

I wonder who will be next sacrificial lamb on Sony's list? Insomniac Games after Wolverine game? or Naughty dog? Sony could have assigned them remaking Titanfall or Titanfall 3. weren't they were the ones made first titanfall game?

 

[Crimsonhead]

How could Demon's Souls sell gangbusters with all what happened with ps5 available to buyin the launch?? people talking shiet , It was a LAUNCH title for the console

And BTW it's still one of the most beautiful game out there, i keep playing everiday , all classes, diferent classes / weapons / build combos and i still get alot of fun doing it (545 hours), and i never played s Souls like game before

 

[Bernardougf]

I like Bluepoint and I don't agree with SIE's current direction but BP delivered a Demon's Souls remake that didn't sell gangbusters and 5 years later nothing else besides support work. I can imagine they don't come cheap to maintain.

And as far as a Bloodborne remake goes. Really, a lot of x-enhanced and reverse engineered projects like Sonic Unleashed are flawless without touching the core gameplay. And if the game is altered, we've seen that Bloober did a great job on SH2.

You don't really need BP for a good Bloodborne remaster. I think this is kind of the problem, they were ahead of the curve with God of War way back but nowadays I wouldn't invest in a remaster studio.

They were bought almost 1 year after demons souls launched... who chose to put then doing support work for another year ? then greenlighted a gaas project to a studio with zero experience on the subject ? And then let this project run loose for maybe 4 years before finally canceling ?

I can agree that maybe sony looked and saw no future in 2026 for a personal remake studio afterall 5 years changes a lot of things internally and externally, but the mismanagement of the asset/talent that was bluepoint in this 5 years is just abundantly clear.

 

[Bojji]

I wonder who will be next sacrificial lamb on Sony's list? Insomniac Games after Wolverine game? or Naughty dog? Sony could have assigned them remaking Titanfall or Titanfall 3. weren't they were the ones made first titanfall game?

Even ND felt some heat when they had to prepare internal demo for Sony few months ago. And Intergalactic has surprisingly
(for ND) high chance of becoming a flop. Looking at initial reaction it's close to Highguard and DAV territory...

And comapre that to Yotei or Wolverine:

When even mighty ND is not fully safe, what about anyone else? Housemarque is making super niche game again, I doubt it will sell well.

 

[Famipan]

I still haven't bought Demon's Souls remake since I have the digital PS5 and PS5 games costs a fortune even during all time low 50% of which is around 50 EUR and I'm not sure I would like the remake more than the PS3 original.

This shows that Sony should lower the digital prices and raise physical prices. Just imagine how many copies are changing hands from home to home without gaining revenue.

Better if they lower digital prices to affordable levels so they can sell more copies

 

[Dafegamer]

Even ND felt some heat when they had to prepare internal demo for Sony few months ago. And Intergalactic has surprisingly
(for ND) high chance of becoming a flop. Looking at initial reaction it's close to Highguard and DAV territory...

And comapre that to Yotei or Wolverine:

When even mighty ND is not fully safe, what about anyone else? Housemarque is making super niche game again, I doubt it will sell well.

Are those dislikes even official? I'm asking cause YT stopped displaying dislikes. Everything else is speculation or not?

 

[asdasdasdbb]

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I still haven't bought Demon's Souls remake since I have the digital PS5 and PS5 games costs a fortune even during all time low 50% of which is around 50 EUR and I'm not sure I would like the remake more than the PS3 original.

This shows that Sony should lower the digital prices and raise physical prices. Just imagine how many copies are changing hands from home to home without gaining revenue.

It's been $30 on PSN. I actually bought that one physically at $30 too.

 

[seb85]

A YouTuber and industry analysis bellularnews made a great video explaining why Sony shutdown Bluepoint and explained that Sony statement about shutting down the studio is nothing but bullshit

Sony shut them down because they no longer fit playstation plans , and not only that but they could have sold them easily to another publisher but decided not to do so , so one can have access to their talent and technology and compete with playstation.

 

[onQ123]

You do understand that companies have mostly been handling their own remakes & remasters so it was probably hard to get them work .

 

[bitbydeath]

GaaS no longer part of their plans?
Here's hoping but, doubt.

 

[seb85]

GaaS no longer part of their plans?
Here's hoping but, doubt.

It's the opposite

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Related to this?

 

[seb85]

You do understand that companies have mostly been handling their own remakes & remasters so it was probably hard to get them work .

Not to the quality that bluepoint can bring

 

[nowhat]

A YouTuber and industry analysis bellularnews

A YT'er I'll give you. An industry anal-whatever, ehh. A failed dev at best. Reiterating the news, akin to the likes of Yong Yea.

 

[bitbydeath]

It's the opposite

They were one of the few studios that switched to making GaaS games.

 

[saintjules]

 

[seb85]

They were one of the few studios that switched to making GaaS games.

Because Sony pushed them to it rather making them do what they do best

 

[ProtoByte]

Sony shut them down because they no longer fit playstation plans,

Yeah, not having anything lined up after 6 years will do that. More on this point later.

and not only that but they could have sold them easily to another publisher but decided not to do so

Ugh. This again. Armchair analyst outrage slop at its finest.

Ask yourself: How many times has that happened? I can think of 3 total examples:

Crystal Dynamics and Eidos Montreal to Embracer
IO Interactive to studio management.

All Square Enix, both at very different times in the industry compared to now. CD and EM got sold in 2022, right in the middle of during the acquisitions race and after 2 major flops from both studios. IO was sold '17 after Hitman '16 flopped. For reference, Sony bought Insomniac for less than 230 million 2 years later - after Spider-Man.

Putting aside that the economics in 2026 are drastically different, the other key in each of these instances is that the IP was also sold along with the studio. IO owns Hitman. Embracer owns Deus Ex and Tomb Raider. Even then, Embracer has had multiple rounds of layoffs for both studios.

Sony was never going to put up any IP for Bluepoint and no publisher or private investor was going to put up the money necessary to acquire them anyway. It's exactly like when WBD put WB Games up for sale. No one was ever going to acquire those teams (including the now closed Monolith) without getting MK, DC and HP.

And while I've argued for Hulst's ouster from PlayStation for years, not everything he said in his letter is bullshit. Actually, none of it is. He's managed these teams horribly, but the solutions to the problems are not fully in anyone's control and there are heated debates as to what the root causes to some of them are.

 

[seb85]

Related to this?

And then we have death stranding 2 coming to pc just six month after PS5 , I don't see any push back

 

[bitbydeath]

Because Sony pushed them to it rather making them do what they do best

And they shut them down for it.

 

[onQ123]

Not to the quality that bluepoint can bring

Still not easy to get devs to let their babies lose into the hands of other devs unless they're working under them.

 

[saintjules]

A YT'er I'll give you. An industry anal-whatever, ehh. A failed dev at best. Reiterating the news, akin to the likes of Yong Yea.

 

[Krathoon]

I kind of have mixed feelings about the Bluepoint remakes. Really, I like the original Shadow of the Colosus. Now, it did seem like they improved Demon Souls.

 

[Topher]

And then we have death stranding 2 coming to pc just six month after PS5 , I don't see any push back

Kojima has a say in DS 2 going to PC. It will probably be on Xbox as well. This is why I differentiate games made by third party studios and games made by first party studios. They don't have the same arrangement.

 

[Bojji]

Are those dislikes even official? I'm asking cause YT stopped displaying dislikes. Everything else is speculation or not?

It's based on YT dislike users and algorithm:

It's not 100% accurate but shows general trends very well, even game like Yotei that got some controversy here still had good YT ratio and good sales in the end. Most games that got EXTREME dislike/like ratio ended up being (big) flops:

So ND better prepare for some rough times ahead! Unless they drop all the woke bullshit from their game...

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Related to this?

If PC ports are out, then Nixxes is next on the chopping block.

 

[Shmunter]

If PC ports are out, then Nixxes is next on the chopping block.

I'll allow it

 

[Panajev2001a]

Because Sony pushed them to it rather making them do what they do best

Are we sure, from day 1 after the purchase they were gung-ho in expanding and tackling their first AAA IP and not just a remake or remaster. It could be that they pitched GaaS ideas, expanded, and in the years failed to execute and pushed back against going back to what they used to do best (and gamers are proving that the likely much cheaper Virtuous made remasters are not selling much worse…).

 

[Bernardougf]

You do understand that companies have mostly been handling their own remakes & remasters so it was probably hard to get them work .

Well we are 6/7 years into ps5 lifespam ... can you show a better playstation remake than Demos Souls this whole gen ?

People are talking like Demon souls quality remakes are popping out like crazy and is very easily done.

"Well sony can divert to china or use ai or whatever" well sure... where's the proof ? Where's the remake that shows they dont need Bluepoint anymore because anyone can do it ?

Yeah.. im not buying it ... for me they just didnt care about bluepoint because their gaas strategy dosent accommodates this type of business anymore, its not were the money is, so pull the plug and fuck quality single player remakes.

Sure God of War if done correctly by Santa Monica will probably be good, but thats it, you can forget about bloodborne and other legacy games not already attached to current studios being done.

Theres no alternative universe were you shitcan bluepoint while at the same time thinking "well who can do this awsome bloodborne remake?"

 

[dotnotbot]

but... bloodborne remake/remaster

Grove Street Yharnam City Games gonna do it

 

[Panajev2001a]

"Well sony can divert to china or use ai or whatever" well sure... where's the proof ? Where's the remake that shows they dont need Bluepoint anymore because anyone can do it ?

Sales (despite quality, gamers voting with their wallets) vs costs of Virtuous led remasters / remakes vs Bluepoint ones… I agree with you it is a shame, but sigh…

 

[SkylineRKR]

Well we are 6/7 years into ps5 lifespam ... can you show a better playstation remake than Demos Souls this whole gen ?

People are talking like Demon souls quality remakes are popping out like crazy and is very easily done.

"Well sony can divert to china or use ai or whatever" well sure... where's the proof ? Where's the remake that shows they dont need Bluepoint anymore because anyone can do it ?

Yeah.. im not buying it ... for me they just didnt care about bluepoint because their gaas strategy dosent accommodates this type of business anymore, its not were the money is, so pull the plug and fuck quality single player remakes.

Sure God of War if done correctly by Santa Monica will probably be good, but thats it, you can forget about bloodborne and other legacy games not already attached to current studios being done.

Theres no alternative universe were you shitcan bluepoint while at the same time thinking "well who can do this awsome bloodborne remake?"

DeS remake is great, but not everyone likes the changes. The same goes for SotC, as many prefer the original when ran through PCSX2. Or even the PS3 remaster.

Ps2 emulation has catched up on PS5, making native PS2 classics like TR:A and Jak better than their Remasters. I hope PS6 will continue this trend with PS3/4 software.

 

[Tobimacoss]

Even ND felt some heat when they had to prepare internal demo for Sony few months ago. And Intergalactic has surprisingly
(for ND) high chance of becoming a flop. Looking at initial reaction it's close to Highguard and DAV territory...

And comapre that to Yotei or Wolverine:

When even mighty ND is not fully safe, what about anyone else? Housemarque is making super niche game again, I doubt it will sell well.

Holy crap, that difference in ratio between Intergalactic and Wolverine.