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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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If it weren't a PS studios game CrazyTake and the loonies wouldn't have been talking bs about it in the first place.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Cumulus
Member
Yeah sure, we totally only criticize mediocre tech if there is a Sony logo somewhere.
I don't know why I'm still surprised by the level of nonsense in fanboy agendas time and time again.
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Forsete
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Impressive next gen character models and lightning?
The sharpness of the beard rendering is second to none, so are the polygons on the nose.
Also notice the sharp direct lightning on the second picture. It shows that RTGI is not really needed. I would call it real-life-rendering™.
Ok Blind Lemon Jefferson.
Cumulus
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Says the guy who thinks low polygon assets somehow climb the technological prowess ladder if they are pastel coloured....
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Wait, you edited this post?
You're telling me there was another version even less witty than this?
BlownUpRich
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Yeah I agree. What you're talking about is the geometric density & textures resolution not being up to snuff. I say a game like Demon's Souls running on base PS5, achieves higher resolution, much more dense geometry & textures, better animations, better effects, better volumetrics & way better lightning quality than RE9 Requiem base PS5 version (since it doesn't use RT which is absurd)So I checked out RE9 on my 4070Ti Super in its full path-traced glory, and it is undoubtedly stunning at times. Especially the Rhodes Hill Chronic Care Center pleases my eyes:
The atmospheric rendering reminds me a lot of TLOU2:
Sadly, just like many other current-gen games,RE9 graphics fall apart when getting too close to objects. 'Path tracing' is worth nothing when asset quality, materials, and textures are crap. What am I even looking at here?:
Again, pretty much every current-gen game still has those issues, and I get it; I should just use 3rd-person view, not zoom in too close, stop nitpicking, and focus on the good stuff.
But what baffles me is that top-tier PS4 games like the aforementioned TLOU2 seem to be less affected. ND did care a lot more about little details.
So I hope that Capcom at least ramps up its next engine iteration and implements proper virtualized geometry.
I wanted this gen to be like this:
not this:
Just look at these images I took…
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
This explains why you are having so many issues with ue5 games. You are probably playing them at medium settings and 720p internal resolutions.I need a better GPU
my 3060ti is crying in the corner... but at least their baked GI is pretty good I guess.
Bojji
Gold Member
Requiem, part 3 of findings.
Remember that nvidia app has custom resolution tool:
45% DLSS allows me to pretty much get stable 60fps with PT, without any FG or anything. Still looks great:
50% (1080p):
45% (972p):
40% (864p):
From 42 to 57FPS with small loss of image quality. There are so many options to improve performance...
Remember that nvidia app has custom resolution tool:
45% DLSS allows me to pretty much get stable 60fps with PT, without any FG or anything. Still looks great:
50% (1080p):
45% (972p):
40% (864p):
From 42 to 57FPS with small loss of image quality. There are so many options to improve performance...
kevboard
Member
920p internal, usually medium to high, always max lumen (because anything below max is unbearable, and I sometimes even tweak it above max in the engine.ini).
that still doesn't explain how better engines give me far better results.
how do you not understand that the performance to visuals ratio is completely fucked on UE5?
you literally need a high end GPU just to get results on par with last gen games. but even the best hardware can't fix the I/O stutters and delta time stutters of course... or the bugged deadzone preset it currently seems to have on PS5 (2 separate UE5 shooters had the same issue, Splitgate 2 and Highguard. and after talking to a Splitgate dev he confirmed their PS5 presets are fucked lol)
UE5 is a dogshit engine. it gives you super low end RTGI at horrendous render time costs. we are talking sometimes half the net performance of competing engines in extreme cases (iD Tech 8, Red Engine 4).
my sad little RTX3060ti can run Cyberpunk with path tracing at 720p 60fps, reconstructed to 1440p with DLSS in transformer mode... just as a benchmark comparison of a different engine.
and just recently we have seen Pearl Abyss' BlackSpace engine run at native 4k, 60fps, RTGI, RT Reflections in an open world, with physics driven water and destructible environments... on a last gen AMD card.
also of note is that both the RTGI and the RT Reflections looked a whole step above the best that Lumen ever showed in any title.
of course you can brute force UE5 to not look quite as shit if you run it on a super high end PC. but if you run it on mainstream hardware, including consoles, it's an absolute shitshow, while many other engines are not.
if you tried to make a game like Avatar in UE5 and run it at the same fidelity it runs on Xbox SX, you'd probably need at least an RTX4080 or higher. because I guarantee you that all that foliage with all that RTGI and reflections would make UE5 completely shit the bed.
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BlownUpRich
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Not to be a party pooper, but I still think Ratchet Rift Apart, Demon's Souls, Alan Wake 2 look far better than RE9 Requiem. I'm kind of disappointed by the texture resolution & geometric density in RE9. It has many odd polygonal edges that shouldn't be expected, they're sticking out like a sore thumb.
I also notice it has somewhat stiff animations for some weird reason, it's very inconsistent.
Path Tracing is saving this game's visuals big time! (Still looks great on PS5 Pro don't get me wrong).
I also notice it has somewhat stiff animations for some weird reason, it's very inconsistent.
Path Tracing is saving this game's visuals big time! (Still looks great on PS5 Pro don't get me wrong).
yeah, like the console versions! just imagine how crap they look eh!
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
At the risk of sounding like a complete graphics whore: lights actually behave according to real physics with path tracing. It is one of those things you never knew you missed until you have it.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
because its virtually identical to every other game engine out there? ive mentioned this a million times. you just choose to ignore it. Avatar, Outlaws, Alan Wake 2, Cyberpunk, AC Shadows, Kingdom Come all run at 30 fps 1440p internal resolution on consoles before being reconstructed to 4k just like virtually every single UE5 game on consoles.
You call the 7900 xtx a last gen card but its literally 2x more powerful than your card from the 1950s. I had a 3080 for most of the gen and had no problems running these UE5 games. SH2 was the only one that stuttered like hell in the apartments but that was bloober being bloober.
Running anything at 920p internal is going to look like shit. especially ray traced games which have issues with denoising realtime GI.
Just started playing Resident Evil Requiem after the RE Framework Mod got available, this mod enables Ultrawide Cutscenes and it is also possible to remove the ugly filmgrain and use ReShade.
Here some screenshots in 4857*1920P (with DLDSR) Ultrawide, Path Tracing, Reshade and No filmgrain mod:
This game looks absolutely amazing with Path Tracing, the amount of detail on objects and the lightning is one of the best, if not the best on the market right now. ReShade and removing film grain with the mod is also adding a lot.
Here some screenshots in 4857*1920P (with DLDSR) Ultrawide, Path Tracing, Reshade and No filmgrain mod:
This game looks absolutely amazing with Path Tracing, the amount of detail on objects and the lightning is one of the best, if not the best on the market right now. ReShade and removing film grain with the mod is also adding a lot.
Myuni
Member
What BluePoint was able to achieve here with a relatively small team is truly remarkable.Yeah I agree. What you're talking about is the geometric density & textures resolution not being up to snuff. I say a game like Demon's Souls running on base PS5, achieves higher resolution, much more dense geometry & textures, better animations, better effects, better volumetrics & way better lightning quality than RE9 Requiem base PS5 version (since it doesn't use RT which is absurd)
Just look at these images I took…
As a launch title for PS5, Demon's Souls Remake's top-notch visual and technical quality is surprisingly consistant throughout the entire game and basically flawless.
I still can't wrap my head around the fact that Sony nuked them.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
as always your screenshots look way better than what i play on my tv lolJust started playing Resident Evil Requiem after the RE Framework Mod got available, this mod enables Ultrawide Cutscenes and it is also possible to remove the ugly filmgrain and use ReShade.
Here some screenshots in 4857*1920P (with DLDSR) Ultrawide, Path Tracing, Reshade and No filmgrain mod:
This game looks absolutely amazing with Path Tracing, the amount of detail on objects and the lightning is one of the best, if not the best on the market right now. ReShade and removing film grain with the mod is also adding a lot.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Racoon city doesn't look that great tbh. The asset quality in the larger environments isn't anything to write home about. Firmly in the last Gen category. They did a great job polishing with the mansion and first level.
Again, pretty much every current-gen game still has those issues, and I get it; I should just use 3rd-person view, not zoom in too close, stop nitpicking, and focus on the good stuff.
But what baffles me is that top-tier PS4 games like the aforementioned TLOU2 seem to be less affected. ND did care a lot more about little details.
So I hope that Capcom at least ramps up its next engine iteration and implements proper virtualized geometry.
I wanted this gen to be like this:
not this:
Robocop Rogue City has the fences you want
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BlownUpRich
Member
Someone on Twitter compared RE9 Rasterized VS Path Tracing, every setting is the same, this is the same character model, all the difference here is the lighting & shadowing.
The poster stated: "This isn't a comparison between the PS5 and the Pro; in reality, it's a comparison with all the same PC settings, but with path tracing active on one and disabled on the other. It's just a comparison so you can see that RT isn't like many people say on social media like "pure marketing."
They added:
"Lighting is EVERYTHING in a video game. Bad lighting can make your character with perfect CGI-level modeling turn into something plasticky and look like it's from PS3. So enough with selling smoke claiming that Ray tracing is marketing or as I've seen others say, a technique for "saving work" XDDD"
The poster stated: "This isn't a comparison between the PS5 and the Pro; in reality, it's a comparison with all the same PC settings, but with path tracing active on one and disabled on the other. It's just a comparison so you can see that RT isn't like many people say on social media like "pure marketing."
They added:
"Lighting is EVERYTHING in a video game. Bad lighting can make your character with perfect CGI-level modeling turn into something plasticky and look like it's from PS3. So enough with selling smoke claiming that Ray tracing is marketing or as I've seen others say, a technique for "saving work" XDDD"
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Bojji
Gold Member
It's obvious that raster and their in engine RT can't deliver results close to PT. High RT:
Juras
Member
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
And this is why you need UE5.
ResetEraVetVIP
Member
True, just not in a technical way...
Dust-by-Monday
Member
I don't get the fascination with RE:R's graphics. Yes, path tracing looks awesome, but other than that, it just looks like your typical modern resident evil game. I've seen way better games.
Bojji
Gold Member
What games?
T4keD0wN
Member
Probably the best "bad spot" from a game ive ever seen tbh.And this is why you need UE5.
ZehDon
Gold Member
Man, if that's the low point, then RE9 is already leagues above most of the UE5 titles clogging up the industry.And this is why you need UE5.
Gonzito
Gold Member
I always laugh when I see people comments saying that raytracing or pathtracing just makes things look darker lol
Fucking ignorants
Re games usually struggled with raised blacks.
Requiem better in that regard.
But its HDR average at best. Peak brightness tops below 1000 nits. Thats LG G1 level.
Its fine on older TVs. But if you have newer stuff, like LG G5, the games gonna use about 40% of its capabilities.
BlownUpRich
Member
Demon's Souls rock textures! Been playing it recently, absolutely phenomenal looking game.And this is why you need UE5.
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GymWolf
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Surprised nobody is pointing out that crimson can run that well because the fidelity and assets seems noticeably worse than other engines, but i guess it's still impressive to have all those features at 4k60 on a 4080 without dlss or framegen.
If yt is not pulling an ac shadow we are gonna have some laugh when the game finally release, even digital fraud never mentioned texture details or character models once in their video...they were all about rtx, water, rain and other stuff, kinda suspect...
About requiem, yeah the first levels were the best graphically but it constantly looks good enough so i'm not too mad, the second city for now is the lowest point, it just looks ok\good.
BUT:
Aggressive film grain
Ray reconstrution\pt boiling\noising
Make the iq and image stability very bad on my end, it feel like i'm playing at 1440p with a dirty screen, not 4k.
Does disabling pt and rr improve the iq? I'm kinda over the fancy light if it make the game look more clean.
If yt is not pulling an ac shadow we are gonna have some laugh when the game finally release, even digital fraud never mentioned texture details or character models once in their video...they were all about rtx, water, rain and other stuff, kinda suspect...
About requiem, yeah the first levels were the best graphically but it constantly looks good enough so i'm not too mad, the second city for now is the lowest point, it just looks ok\good.
BUT:
Aggressive film grain
Ray reconstrution\pt boiling\noising
Make the iq and image stability very bad on my end, it feel like i'm playing at 1440p with a dirty screen, not 4k.
Does disabling pt and rr improve the iq? I'm kinda over the fancy light if it make the game look more clean.
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That's like saying the view across the Grand Canyon is beautiful, just not in a technical way. True, but irrelevant - and absurd.
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Bojji
Gold Member
For PT noise - you can always try to force E preset or ray reconstruction though nvidia inspector (only thing that work right now for this game) for global profile.
Video I posted above (Daniel Owen) tests this and results are noticeable better than standard D preset the game uses.
GymWolf
Member
I tried but preset E introduce weird artifacts around the hairs when i move the character and flashlight ghosting, i heard many people have the same thing but not everyone, the absolute magic of pc gaming...For PT noise - you can always try to force E preset or ray reconstruction though nvidia inspector (only thing that work right now for this game) for global profile.
Video I posted above (Daniel Owen) tests this and results are noticeable better than standard D preset the game uses.
I heard before that ray reconstruction is usually super noisy but only now i'm realizing how bad it is...
Before this game i never understood what boiling relative to graphic even meant but now i fucking understand.
P.s. wait a moment what do you mean global profile? I changed it just for requiem...
It doesn't work if not done globally? Maybe that's why i had the hair artifacts...
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The point is it's putting the cart before the horse. Tech is good if it meaningfully improves visuals. If you need to pore over some rocks to see just how many edges there are in order to see if x technology is being used, and therefore that a game is "next gen" and therefore good looking, you're lost.
A game looks good if it looks good. Tech is useful if it facilitates that. At least in regards to graphical fidelity.
Bojji
Gold Member
The best thing is that this game doesn't even have alternative denoiser for PT, that's why it's off on AMD cards. RR is noisy but compared to other denoisers it's stable as fuck (AW2 and CP2077 have default denoisers so it's easy to compare).
I think jump in fidelity with PT it totally worth it. It's not like in game denoiser for RT mode is better... haha.
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T4keD0wN
Member
Game specific profile settings should overwrite the global ones.
Cumulus
Member
once again ignoring the individual differences in taste and perception.
Some people look at yotei and think "what a pretty picture" while others immediately see the botched lighting, low poly assets and last gen look in general. Most casuals would either not even see those flaws or simply overlook them while I perceive them as very intrusive.
That´s just how it is and that`s why we´re largely discussing objective tech here, not subjective perception.
But I`ve tried to explain this to you multiple times now while you just insist on your "overall look"-mumbo jambo as if that wasn`t highly subjective "feels" instead of "facts" stuff.
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Bojji
Gold Member
Yep, in this thread we seek more than just good art direction.
Elden Ring can look phenomenal at times but in game tech is piss poor.
mrMUR_96
Member
UE5 would probably do a far worse job with the hair thoughAnd this is why you need UE5.
GymWolf
Member
Requiem is not using any nextgen hair tech, shadows, veilguard, fifa and some others all do better.