Critical Hit
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Putin is a pathetic version of Stalin, not Hitler. And as far as I can remember, Churchill did negotiate with Stalin.
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Monitoring the situation in Iran
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Avid Reading Horse
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Light_Crusader25
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The US has been dragged into a war of attrition...I fear things could escalate, especially given the Turkey/Israel conflict, the loss of lives and scenes of destruction, the economic looming crisis, the game of alliances, the nuclear card...
How people could see what is unfolding and hope for more, is beyond my understanding...
How people could see what is unfolding and hope for more, is beyond my understanding...
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LimanimaPT
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Trump wasn't negotiating he was "negotiating".
Hero of Spielberg
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Seems rattled tbh
LimanimaPT
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You mean, the failing NY times that you don't yet control? America, open your eyes and empich this fking piece of shit.
Propaganda goes strong in the US. What we have here is Putin and Russia 2.0.
The exact same things that people talked about Russia and Putin are happening now with the US but now it is ok.
There's no doubt that propaganda works. Control the media and feed to people what you want and people will be brainwashed.
YCoCg
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"Worth it to own the libs"
Wildebeest
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Stalin was allied with Hitler until he was betrayed and Russia was invaded. Then Stalin was begging Churchill for help so they did negotiate. It wasn't really a smooth negotiation since Stalin was a very paranoid man and Churchill was very rough around the edges. But when the Americans came in Churchill was increasingly sidelined in the negotiations almost to the point where he was just there to have his picture taken.
Critical Hit
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I was talking about the negotiation in 1945 (Yalta).
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Avid Reading Horse
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Bojji
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Chittagong
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Vestal
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Religion has been the justification for the majority of death and destruction in this world.
winjer
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Especially with Islam.
Vestal
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You could make the same exact argument for Christianity. Both religions have been used and abused for terrible unspeakable things.
But in reality it is any ideal or belief that is taken to an extreme.
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winjer
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Yes, Christianity also has a terrible track record. But Islam takes the first place in killings.
But the thing is, the Bible does not make the same appeals to violence, massacre, child marriage and rape, slavery, that the Quran does.
The Quran is one of the most immoral books ever written and that is why we see so much evil coming out of Islam.
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But if you have a tanker that can refuel it couldn't you just use that one to refuel what it was going to refuel? Maybe it's fuel types or because then you can have two tankers refueling instead of one.
kruis
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Just imagine if Putin. Xi Jinping or Kim Jong Un, all leaders of nuclear armed countries, would hold speeches saying the exact same thing as Trump... We'd all believe they're completely out of their mind and that the whole world is doomed with absolute mad men having the power to blow up the world. But with Trump this has all been normalized somehow ... It's just astonishing. This is really not the way the president of the USA should speak and write ....
Mr Reasonable
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Dirk Benedict
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He wanted to be the next "Luigi" is all I can come up with. There is an odd cult obsession with that kid.
AJUMP23
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This simply isn't true. The majority of world leaders and killers have not justified their actions through religion. Stalin, Hitler, Lenin, Pol Pot, Mua, and the like were all anti religious people, and their combined death toll pales in comparisons to the deaths of the crusades or the religious wars of Saladin.
For the most part all religions but Islam teaches human life has value.
Bojji
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Hitler officially was a christian (he used religion to justify some things he ordered), and catholic church helped nazis.
Communist dictators are obvious, but there were many Muslim and Christian rulers that killed millions as well. Same story for other religions (ancient China, South/Central America etc.).
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Wildebeest
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That was a negotiation between FDR and Stalin that Churchill hated because he felt FDR didn't listen to his concerns about Stalin and gave him way too much. FDR and Stalin were meeting privately at other times. Naturally Americans only care about Yalta because FDR was there and maybe Churchill could be blamed for "fucking it up" and carving up Europe, when that was just FDR not really caring at all about what Stalin got from the resolution.
Unknown?
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They were already selling it via proxies to Europe. It's not like the sanctions worked, they just made it harder to get around.
LimanimaPT
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That's because we tend to see the US as the good guys. Unfortunately with this Trump administration this is not true anymore. Sorry but I don't see the US as the good guys anymore. How can I when they threat to take Greenland?
Unbelievable what I see in the official White House channels. The US are not being run by polititians, they are being run by average Joes like you and me.
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AJUMP23
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Even if you want to remove Hitler because he claimed Christianity, the death tolls of the communist that revolutionized Asia is still far greater than the death tolls of "religious" wars. I suppose you could claim Marxist ideology is a religion and then I would yield and say yes, then religion has been a contributor. But the Wars of the Mongols, and Romans, and Alexander, and Egyptian kings, and much of the European conquest were not religious wars.
I will agree religion has been used for a lot of evil, but it is not responsible for the initial premise of "Justifying most of the death in this world"
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Critical Hit
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At that point the war with Japan was still ongoing, which is why he gave him "way too much". But that doesn't change the fact that negotiations with Stalin were underway and had nothing to do with Hitler.
It's too late now to paint Putin as Hitler, which Netanyahu also contributed to. And what Trump is doing right now is in part to make sure Putin understands who's really in charge here and that he shouldn't dream of anything more than a small piece of Ukraine.
StueyDuck
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But they do... you just dont hear it because you arent in a dictatorship in which these people preside...
Trump didnt make a beloved children's character basically a death sentence because someone joked it looks like him
Putin literally used the excuse of terrorism when initially invading Ukraine
Little rocket man literally launches rockets over his neighbors frequently to make them fear him
Jaybe
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It does seem like every small hit Iran does gets far more news coverage than the combined reduction of Iranian's military capability that 1,000s of strikes have achieved. The way Iran has acted in lashing out against all neighbors and stopping the strait was how they were always going to behave at some point once the had nuclear weapons and an array of ballistic missiles. This war was always going to be an eventuality and while expensive, it is much less so to act now while Iran is crippled and not in possession of nukes.
Bojji
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I agree.
But death tolls were super big in XX century mostly because population was much bigger as well.
190M people in Roman times vs. 2.5B in 1950. Most of the people killed by communist - starved, so death toll was related to how big the population was.
AJUMP23
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I agree.
But death tolls were super big in XX century mostly because population was much bigger as well.
190M people in Roman times vs. 2.5B in 1950. Most of the people killed by communist - starved, so death toll was related to how big the population was.
Of course that factors in (you can't kill people that don't exist). But again the premise was "Religion has justified most of the death in the world" and it just isn't true with an honest evaluation of the data. It is the type of statement made by the Erudite atheist that wants to tell themselves they have a superior world view because their ideas don't lead to mass death, when in reality they lead to the most death.
Clear
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Only because religious ideology was the only game in town for centuries.
Secular ideologies of conquest and control like Communism and Fascism were only invented in the 19th and 20th centuries and have racked up immense body-counts in a relatively small period of time.
The commonality is always that when a dominant ideology grants permission to do evil acts cloaked as being "for the greater good" the thin veneer of civilization vanishes.
This is why you are not what you believe, you are what you do.
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Translation:
URGENT — Cuban dictator Díaz Canel announces on national television that the regime has begun negotiations with the United States.
He admits the beginning of "a sensitive process" for the dictatorship.
calico
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Most of 'Western' media has a huge vested interest in applying as much negative spin to their coverage of the conflict as possible. If they could choose for the US death toll to be higher, they would. If they could choose for the war to be going better for Iran, the oil price to be higher, the stock market to be lower, they would. They hope that the school was hit by the US. They only care about these things in so far as they can help their battle against President Trump (or rather, against what he represents).
They will pay lip service to the notion that the Iranian regime is bad, but they would much rather Iran is seen as the victor than that President Trump is, and they will do what they can to help achieve that. The nature of the coverage makes far more sense when viewed with that in mind.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Let's see how it goes.
Witkoff was reportedly 'negotiating' with Irani delegates on Friday, Feb 26th, and in less than two days, the strikes on Iran started.
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Smiggs
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I think it goes much deeper than that, even if that may be the case with some. Look at how they acted when Israel was attacked on October 7th, and how they cheered and posted parachutes and other garbage all over, while admonishing the Biden administration for supporting Israel. In fact, a big part of why Trump won is because so many of these buffoons refused to vote for Kamala because she was "pro genocide", ultimately giving the Presidency to their most hated person. Their support for Islam is SO GREAT, they would rather have Trump in office than to vote for someone that would at least push some of their agenda.
I know a lot of this started in academia, but it must go far deeper than that for it to propagate across the entirety of the left. The people on Era haven't even made a thread about the terrorist in Michigan yesterday, and they usually can't help but jump over each other to make a post about a shooting. Didn't see much about the Texas bar shooting, either. Disgusting.
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Wildebeest
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The point is that it was earlier on in the war when Churchill had the options to negotiate with Hilter or Stalin. The Germans did try to have peace talks with Britain after invading France but they were shut down, and later on there was the weird Hesse flying to Scotland episode. But after the official peace offerings, which were not trusted, Hitler invaded Russia which only further cemented his untrustworthy status. Then it is not as if Stalin was someone Churchill wanted to deal with but, "If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons."
AJUMP23
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On twitter it was translated for me.
They were selling it at a discounted, capped rate.
Now they get to sell it at full and elevated price. And you can bet your life on it that the sanctions aren't coming back.
There will be celebrations in the Kremlin over this
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ChuckeRearmed
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Well there is a difference though. In case of Cuba it is basically not a self sufficient country without support from other countries. Plus unlike Iran it is not big and does not have a lot of military equipment.
At the same time the current leader cannot be really black bagged because he is not considered a crirminal - unlike Maduro. Granted seems like Florida has started building a criminal case.
I am curious what is going to happen. They probably want a scenario similar to Venezuela but without special forces being involved. Plus I am not sure if they even have a "vice president" like figure or anything.
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