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forsakkenSoul
Gold Member
Yep, DLSS 5 looks interesting so far. I just hope they optimize it better before release, my 5070 Ti would appreciate it.
uncreativename
Member
I voted for Other because no matter how it looked, I still wouldn't like it.
That's not to say that I hate NVIDIA btw. They're obviously incredibly talented, and real time path tracing would be impossible without their work, and it'd look really awful without their ai denoising. But I don't like that they're doing more and more to take over how games look and perform. That should be on developers as much as possible. I don't want to play games that are mostly AI generated, and if it's not possible for developers to create these kinds of visuals well maybe they should focus on more interesting art styles and gameplay instead of constantly chasing technical graphics.
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Great points
viveks86
Member
Not DLSS 5. But the underlying tech will be the future welllll into the future. As it stands now, it's cool tech and people will get over it eventually. Whenever we reach a point where game devs and artists can actually train these on their workstations, it will take off. Until then, nobody would want Nvidia to be deciding what aesthetic options a dev can have.
Good artists don't finalize a game's look by playing with sliders."Complete control" my ass. More like damage control. It's a fantastic mod for high end pc bros that want to flex in screenshot threads. That's about it.
Also the model just takes color and motion vectors as input? Good luck capturing any subtle details originating off screen or occluded. The model will likely think that's "odd" and remove it. When it also takes all 3d models, light sources and effects in memory as input, we'll have something real.
It's still a huge leap in rendering tech, no doubt. But we are barely scratching the surface.
Change the question to "is neural rendering the future" and I'll vote yes. Not DLSS 5.
Good artists don't finalize a game's look by playing with sliders."Complete control" my ass. More like damage control. It's a fantastic mod for high end pc bros that want to flex in screenshot threads. That's about it.
Also the model just takes color and motion vectors as input? Good luck capturing any subtle details originating off screen or occluded. The model will likely think that's "odd" and remove it. When it also takes all 3d models, light sources and effects in memory as input, we'll have something real.
It's still a huge leap in rendering tech, no doubt. But we are barely scratching the surface.
Change the question to "is neural rendering the future" and I'll vote yes. Not DLSS 5.
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
That was not my intention WTH, instead of complaining tell me what's missing and I'll add it. No problem.
uncreativename
Member
I'd like something along the lines of "No, because I want there to be less AI generated graphics in games, not more" or something like that, please.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Can't this be in the "No, it's ugly and we'll forget about it" category? I wanted to keep the responses as simple as possible, at first I just wanted to put yes or no but then I thought there should also be a choice for "yes, but it's crap." A "no" choice seemed obvious but what you're suggesting is really close to the category I already put, don't you think?
If you think it's worth it I'll add it tho, no worries just let me know. Something like "No, we need less IA not more" if that's ok? I also already added the ability to change your vote.
But I swear there was never an intent of "editorialize the vote options", this is nonsense and I don't see the point of the poll in that case.
uncreativename
Member
Well, it's up to you of course, but I don't think it looks ugly, and I still don't like it. So I'll leave my vote as Other.
It's the future of game visuals whether people like it or not. The characters do still have that Ai slop look for now but how it just makes the lighting work so easily is incredible stuff.
I expect Sony/Microsoft will do a better job of showing this with their next gen consoles in a year or 2 and people will have different views on it. They will likely see the backlash to how the characters look and focus on the environments to win people over.
I expect Sony/Microsoft will do a better job of showing this with their next gen consoles in a year or 2 and people will have different views on it. They will likely see the backlash to how the characters look and focus on the environments to win people over.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
I'm specifically asking for your input, but whatever I added the option.
Draugoth
Gold Member
PhysX was abandoned, so was SLI, as various forms of Nvidia technology deemed as 'the future'
We simply do not know if this will work out. This could go completely bust or revolutionize the industry.
The truth is probably in the middle - This will likely become a separated technology, because it doesn't look like it's Super Sampling at all.
ancelotti
Member
I think too many people focused on the changes to the games themselves rather than the intention of simply showing the capabilities.
Some of the demonstration seemed to fit very well, and they should have had the original artists update small scenes to highlight certain improvements rather than just run roughshod over the original art.
I think it has some great capabilities, but as others have mentioned, we have to wait and see how it is really implemented.
Some of the demonstration seemed to fit very well, and they should have had the original artists update small scenes to highlight certain improvements rather than just run roughshod over the original art.
I think it has some great capabilities, but as others have mentioned, we have to wait and see how it is really implemented.
Kurotri
Member
Of two minds on this. The problem with this showing are the faces. People are up in arms because it looks like a filter that replaces normal video game models and faces with generic AI bullshit. Grace looks like a girl from a porn ad I saw a few days ago. Uncanney valley territory where faces look completely unnatural and fake. It can get especially bad when paired with a game that has distinct character art like Oblivion. Some people on this board liking that have me truly shocked, but different strokes for different folks I guess..?
The rest though? Truly incredible stuff. I just looked at the Zorah demonstration and outside of those awful AI faces the tech is truly incredible. If they can just fix that, I'm on board. Or not, seems to be a super expensive luxury that only the rich kids will be able to lay their hands on. What do you mean two 5090s were used? Jesus, man.
The rest though? Truly incredible stuff. I just looked at the Zorah demonstration and outside of those awful AI faces the tech is truly incredible. If they can just fix that, I'm on board. Or not, seems to be a super expensive luxury that only the rich kids will be able to lay their hands on. What do you mean two 5090s were used? Jesus, man.
ResilientBanana
Member
They mentioned in the same video that was going to happen.
I mean it's possible but the AI genie isn't going back in the bottle anytime soon.
Physx is used everywhere. Hell even console exclusives have used it. It's just not quite the same hardware accelerated version anymore and it became a middleware for everyone to use.
SLI was because the industry decided to move towards TAA because Consoles didn't have the bandwidth for MSAA or an alternative like MFAA.
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cripterion
Member
Looks glorious, interested to see what they do with it and on which card it will be able to run...
Also kinda don't give a shit about upgraded PSSR anymore lol.
Also kinda don't give a shit about upgraded PSSR anymore lol.
Stuart360
Member
I'm sick of most aspects of AI, but this is the kind of thing i can get behind.
Some people seem to think like the characters are being generated by AI or something, when the models and assets are exactly the same, its just basically better and more accurate lighting.
The Starfield one blew me away the most. We went from pretty meh and last gen character models, to well almost real looking people.
Most console only gamers will hate it forever as this tech wont be on next gen consoles, but once again it pays to go with Nvidia.
EDIT. Also these results are results on existing games. When devs design games with this tech in mind, the results could be staggering.
Some people seem to think like the characters are being generated by AI or something, when the models and assets are exactly the same, its just basically better and more accurate lighting.
The Starfield one blew me away the most. We went from pretty meh and last gen character models, to well almost real looking people.
Most console only gamers will hate it forever as this tech wont be on next gen consoles, but once again it pays to go with Nvidia.
EDIT. Also these results are results on existing games. When devs design games with this tech in mind, the results could be staggering.
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Yerd
Member
Didn't they bring back physx?
Hero_Select
Member
People who like this then turn around and say things like:
ThE DemoNs SOulS ReMAKe LoST iTs SoUL, BlUEPoiNt DesERved To gEt SHutdOwn
ThE DemoNs SOulS ReMAKe LoST iTs SoUL, BlUEPoiNt DesERved To gEt SHutdOwn
Shubh_C63
Member
Technically any tools that makes Devs life easier is a good thing but look at Unreal Engine now. Like the Tech. Most definitely will result more homogeneous Art style. Photo realistic might benefit DLSS5 but can you imagine what plastic slop this will do to an Zelda art style.
Thank god for Nintendo's modern tech illiteracy, they will be the last one to use this. Good tools and resulting into lazy developers.
Thank god for Nintendo's modern tech illiteracy, they will be the last one to use this. Good tools and resulting into lazy developers.
Yerd
Member
That's a ridiculous assertion. There are different game art styles. There's things like Cuphead and modern pixel games and Control, I love all of them. In term's of visuals.
Hawk The Slayer
Member
Same card and this A.I DLSS 5 thing is beyond our reach now as it was shown with using two 5090 and they're trying to optimize it enough to be use on 1 RTX 5090. So you'll need a 5090 or similar or greater card than a 5090.
Thankfully Pathtracing already looks extremely good and still photo realistic like what's shown in RE Requiem, the Pathtracing showcase of Tides of Annihilation, and the advance RT of GTA VI's trailer 2 so we could at least handle all this.
uncreativename
Member
Got a point there. But at least I'm consistent, I don't like DLSS 5 or Demon's Souls Remake :]
Sardaukarama
Member
I'm joining you with my 3 !
Yerd
Member
I didn't listen to the entire GTC, but is it not their intention to make it work on all the 5xxx cards? Were there specific words said that it's exclusive to the 5090? The DF video said they (nvidia)were in the lab on a single 5090 and that this is still being worked on.
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Stuart360
Member
I'm sure when its opimized and ready to release it will be a lot easier to run. In fact i doubt the finished version will be any more demanding than turning on path tracing in a game, and a lot of gpu's can do that.
DLSS5 is coming at the end of the year, and we are not seeing new Nvidia gpu's until probably a year after that if not more. They are not going to make this and literally only 5090 owners could use it. Besides the demo's were probably at 4k or near.
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
cripterion
Member
Yeah also why I would never go for an AMD GPU.
SirKicksalot
Member
I thought Nvidia is working towards real time spectral rendering but this might sidestep it entirely.
The model shown today is processing light like a smartphone camera. AC and Oblivion look like someone molested them in CapCut. I can't wrap my head around the training this feature will require to not look like this.
The model shown today is processing light like a smartphone camera. AC and Oblivion look like someone molested them in CapCut. I can't wrap my head around the training this feature will require to not look like this.
Bonfires Down
Member
Looks impressive, especially with the crappy vanilla models and lighting in Starfield. It could be great tech as long as devs don't overly rely on it or it will be like excessive bloom and look crap once the novelty wears off.
Of course, they will do exactly that.
Of course, they will do exactly that.
Dust-by-Monday
Member
I still don't like it but I don't think it's generative AI.
It's getting the 3D data from the game and re-lighting it. It's not changing geometry or adding new things to the game. It's just basically making the materials and skin react to light more realistically, thus making them more photorealistic.
However, that being said, it does give off that "too perfect" generative AI look which is off-putting to me.
It's getting the 3D data from the game and re-lighting it. It's not changing geometry or adding new things to the game. It's just basically making the materials and skin react to light more realistically, thus making them more photorealistic.
However, that being said, it does give off that "too perfect" generative AI look which is off-putting to me.
Moochi
Member
This tech will be cheaper for compute by an order of magnitude than the hardware required to reach the same level of detail via traditional rendering. It will be weird and expensive at first, but the rendering hardware will be improved with iterations while seeing big leaps in the raster capabilities of cards becomes mostly irrelevant.