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Nvidia at Live GTC : DLSS 5

AI Grace be hot af tho.
Honestly the one without DLSS On is really really bland and ugly compared to the new model. Honestly. It looks like a generational leap. And it's really hard to swallow for some people.

Which is amazing because till the yesterday, RE9 is one of the best looking games ever released. This is just honestly stunning.
 
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I also find amusing how much people are bickering over this, when currently this tech is going to need - what was it? - TWO 5090s in order to run adequately? We're talking about a GPU which is about to increase in price both because of the A.I. RAM shortages AND now oil problems to ... I dunno? 3.5K? 4K? And you have to buy it twice, so it's 8K? Eight thousand dollars? Plus insane electric bills due to the power this beast of a PC will need to consume?

Exactly who is this marketed to? Because I don't think this is for the gamers - this is for companies which will build servers in data centers to stream A.I. games or something like that. That's what I think, anyway.
 
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Amazing tech if manages to produce a consistent image, by nature, AI is super inconsistent. Can be game changing for older games. But if they need two 5090's to make the demo with DLSS5 work, is something that i can only see being viable maybe in the next generation of GPUs.
 
It wasn't. It was done by nVidia all by their lonesome. Capcom PR exec sloppily glazing over it isn't the same thing.

Then what is this?



Either way, they're ok with it, the fucking thing is not out and is optional so what are you all bitching about?
Every game with DLSS5 is going to be treated by the community like Demon's Souls Remake.

In every. Single. Way.

As in graphically much better?
 
Amazing tech if manages to produce a consistent image, by nature, AI is super inconsistent. Can be game changing for older games. But if they need two 5090's to make the demo with DLSS5 work, is something that i can only see being viable maybe in the next generation of GPUs.
I think only an 6090 will be able to pull this off without falling below 60fps. The lesser GPUs will need to hit 70xx series in order to be able to somewhat handle this tech,, unless the 60xx have some INSANE A.I. tech on them.

But this is definitely going to be nVidia's marketing push for the 60xx series. "Able to handle DLSS5 on their own".
 
Half will say this, yes, the other half will bitch about the game 'losing it's visual identity' or 'ruining the vision of the developer', or 'being an expensive pile of shit', etc.
who determine " losing its visual identity " when its actually created by the dev team them selves at capcom for the DLSS5 model ?

This is the artistic look they wanted for her. Now they just have the ability to utilize their vision and not be stuck on outdated hardware as a base model.
 
Half will say this, yes, the other half will bitch about the game 'losing it's visual identity' or 'ruining the vision of the developer', or 'being an expensive pile of shit', etc.

oh that, yeah it I guess it will judging from the youtuber circlejerk.

The end of stylized graphics?

I don't think it will. Also we have to see how this will result on other type of games. They say Neverness to Everness is going to support it and it has an anime style.
I could see Where Winds Meet benefit greatly from this.
 
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hey we can bring back the yellow piss filter to Deus Ex Human Revolution while ALSO giving it a graphics upgrade.

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I also find amusing how much people are bickering over this, when currently this tech is going to need - what was it? - TWO 5090s in order to run adequately? We're talking about a GPU which is about to increase in price both because of the A.I. RAM shortages AND now oil problems to ... I dunno? 3.5K? 4K? And you have to buy it twice, so it's 8K? Eight thousand dollars? Plus insane electric bills due to the power this beast of a PC will need to consume?

Exactly who is this marketed to? Because I don't think this is for the gamers - this is for companies which will build servers in data centers to stream A.I. games or something like that. That's what I think, anyway.

Amazing tech if manages to produce a consistent image, by nature, AI is super inconsistent. Can be game changing for older games. But if they need two 5090's to make the demo with DLSS5 work, is something that i can only see being viable maybe in the next generation of GPUs.
Df said that in their labs, nvidia engineers already have this working on one GPUs. This is being designed for the 5000 series gpus and it scales with compute power so smaller gpus will just run it at lower resolutions.
 
I don't know how people can say the grace or the starfield DLSS5 updates aren't better.

Judging from the posts on Twitter, I think it's political, Anti anything AI derangement syndrome.

How can you look at the Starfield ones especially and say it looks worse ?
Because…
1. This is Nvidia's tech. Not AMD. PS and Xbox use AMD.
2. This is running on 2x RTX 5090. Not 1x 3070Ti which is what majority on PC use according to Steam stats.
3. This hints where Nvidia is heading, they will leave local computation in the dust, this is a tech for AI server, essentially GeForce Now highest tier subs.
4. This is using AI. People simply hate AI.
 
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who determine " losing its visual identity " when its actually created by the dev team them selves at capcom for the DLSS5 model ?

This is the artistic look they wanted for her. Now they just have the ability to utilize their vision and not be stuck on outdated hardware as a base model.
I think some people thought Nvidia just turned on a switch and that's what the algorithm spat out. Turns out it was Capcom messing around and chose it themselves. lol
 
who determine " losing its visual identity " when its actually created by the dev team them selves at capcom for the DLSS5 model ?
The gamers, when they compare the non-DLSS5 version of the game to the DLSS5 one.

Also, I foresee people accusing the devs on not working on face models of characters because they'll be betting on A.I. to fix them for them.

But honestly? This tech will be INSANELY useful for no-named NPCs in towns. You'll no longer feel like you're walking amongst PS3 character models anymore with half your games anymore.
 
Then what is this?



Either way, they're ok with it, the fucking thing is not out and is optional so what are you all bitching about?


As in graphically much better?

Lmao so the devs from these studios worked on this and turned in those horrendous AI clips?

Yep, they all sabotaged this on purpose. I bet the artists went out of their way to make it look as AI slop as possible and nvidia was so clueless that they didn't even realize it was on purpose.

I wonder if they all colluded in secret or if they all had the same idea. Absolutely hilarious.
 
I also find amusing how much people are bickering over this, when currently this tech is going to need - what was it? - TWO 5090s in order to run adequately? We're talking about a GPU which is about to increase in price both because of the A.I. RAM shortages AND now oil problems to ... I dunno? 3.5K? 4K? And you have to buy it twice, so it's 8K? Eight thousand dollars? Plus insane electric bills due to the power this beast of a PC will need to consume?

Exactly who is this marketed to? Because I don't think this is for the gamers - this is for companies which will build servers in data centers to stream A.I. games or something like that. That's what I think, anyway.
Given they are releasing it this year and claiming it will run on a single gpu with a host of games available at launch, I think the actual financial or technical viability isn't the issue. But the alarm bells are certainly ringing elsewhere
 
Then what is this?


Ben Berraondo is a top PR employee for Nvidia. His statement is probably technically right that Capcom signed off on it.

But it certainly doesn't feel like the team that made the game customized it as deeply as he implies (if they were even involved). Her character direction (writing, visuals, mannerisms) don't match the image we are seeing.
 
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The gamers, when they compare the non-DLSS5 version of the game to the DLSS5 one.

Also, I foresee people accusing the devs on not working on face models of characters because they'll be betting on A.I. to fix them for them.

But honestly? This tech will be INSANELY useful for no-named NPCs in towns. You'll no longer feel like you're walking amongst PS3 character models anymore with half your games anymore.

I don't think this tech is a fix it all solution. The devs will still need to put in the work. I mean for example 2 NPC's having the same model/ face will result in... them having the same face.

There's quite a lot of diversity in Cyberpunk NPC's, that's why I'd love to see how it looks with it. I would be less enthused to see this running with Marathon lol

Ben Berraondo is a top PR employee for Nvidia. His statement is probably technically right that Capcom signed off on it.

But it certainly doesn't feel like the team that made the game customized it as deeply as he implies (if they were even involved). Her character direction (writing, visuals, mannerisms) don't match the image we are seeing.

So I should go with the running narrative that every dev is held at gunpoint by the suits and greedy bastards at Nvidia and they're absolutely horrified by this technology?
Will be amazing revisiting this thread couple years down the line.
 
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Then what is this?



Either way, they're ok with it, the fucking thing is not out and is optional so what are you all bitching about?

1. I ain't taking nVidia PR goon at his word.

2. Did artists that worked on RE9 slop that out? Or some random artist at Capcom with spare time picking out a AI generated face?

3. Option of buying a second RTX 5090 to run this shit? Hi-LAAAAAArious.
 
The gamers, when they compare the non-DLSS5 version of the game to the DLSS5 one.

Also, I foresee people accusing the devs on not working on face models of characters because they'll be betting on A.I. to fix them for them.

But honestly? This tech will be INSANELY useful for no-named NPCs in towns. You'll no longer feel like you're walking amongst PS3 character models anymore with half your games anymore.

Wrong! ? gamers' only choice to either buy the game / not buy the game / cry about it on Twitter and forums, or be on board and support it. But really, gamers have no call on the artistic direction of a game. Like.. no one wants Kratos with a beard that look like a floor cleaner, but here we are !!. If you are making the game, its your call how the characters look.

in the case of Resident Evil 9 DLSS5, it was Capcom that was testing it with the detailed model we got on the demo. not an AI upscaler guessing on its own and spitting images as it sees fit.

from Nvidia press release, this is Not a face generator. it only suggests enhancments in the character model that was created by the artist. And it's up to the artist to tweak that image to their liking to fit their vision.


This will not save a shit developer from being shit.
 
Wrong! ? gamers' only choice to either buy the game / not buy the game / cry about it on Twitter and forums, or be on board and support it. But really, gamers have no call on the artistic direction of a game. Like.. no one wants Kratos with a beard that look like a floor cleaner, but here we are !!. If you are making the game, its your call how the characters look.

in the case of Resident Evil 9 DLSS5, it was Capcom that was testing it with the detailed model we got on the demo. not an AI upscaler guessing on its own and spitting images as it sees fit.

from Nvidia press release, this is Not a face generator. it only suggests enhancments in the character model that was created by the artist. And it's up to the artist to tweak that image to their liking to fit their vision.


This will not save a shit developer from being shit.
What do you mean, 'wrong'? Are gamers not going to be allowed to have an opinion? I'm not saying what the developers will say - a Ubisoft developer can 'say' Assassin's Creed Shadows was never 'woke', but the gamers will have a different opinion. I didn't say what is 'true', I said what the gamers will 'say' or 'complain' about. It has nothing to do with developers' intentions or actions.

Developers won't be able to stop a large amount of gamers calling their art 'A.I. slop' due to usage of DLSS5, that is what I am saying.

This is the future , eh? Stuck with ps3/4 era gameplay and AI slop character models.
See? That's what I'm talking about.
 
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1. I ain't taking nVidia PR goon at his word.

2. Did artists that worked on RE9 slop that out? Or some random artist at Capcom with spare time picking out a AI generated face?

3. Option of buying a second RTX 5090 to run this shit? Hi-LAAAAAArious.

Well yeah they definitely need to get that running on regular single GPU. Or it could be future tech like when RTX initially came out which was very taxing...

As for the rest:


So the fact that we love it or hate doesn't really matter.

Will Ferrell Lol GIF by First We Feast
 
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Then what is this?



Either way, they're ok with it, the fucking thing is not out and is optional so what are you all bitching about?


As in graphically much better?

Tom Warren is a shill that has zero knowledge about video game technology as displayed when he thought Switch 2 is inferior to PS4 pro.
 
Well yeah they definitely need to get that running on regular single GPU. Or it could be future tech like when RTX initially came out which was very taxing...

As for the rest:


So the fact that we love it or hate doesn't really matter.

Will Ferrell Lol GIF by First We Feast
Well sheeeit, then why bother with all dis opine nonesense at gaming messagebiards, eh? Imma go back to bed.
 
Well sheeeit, then why bother with all dis opine nonesense at gaming messagebiards, eh? Imma go back to bed.

What I'm saying is people love to bitch, same as these shitty Youtubers, yet they all have an Nvidia GPU in their rig (and most often then not for free thanks to their partnerships)
People were bitching about RTX at first if they didn't want the industry go one way or the other they could have voted with their wallets.

I'm good with the proposition and people being salty over this makes me laugh.
 
And I'll add, maybe that's why the Nvidia Path Traced version of those same cutscenes looked so bad and crude in comparison..

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To have simpletons more easily blinded by their "Path Tracing looks bad in comparison".
It's clear they created the game/scenes without PT in mind.
PT just makes them look bad for that reason, not because they anticipated PT comparisons to DLSS5.
 
The tech is absolutely incredible. Just because the face doesn't look exactly like the source material, it doesn't mean you should throw the baby out with the bathwater. You get real-life photorealism at relatively little cost. The technology is mind-blowing.

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"Relatively little cost" = requires a whole ass extra 5090
 
Lmao so the devs from these studios worked on this and turned in those horrendous AI clips?

Yep, they all sabotaged this on purpose. I bet the artists went out of their way to make it look as AI slop as possible and nvidia was so clueless that they didn't even realize it was on purpose.

I wonder if they all colluded in secret or if they all had the same idea. Absolutely hilarious.
How did we, two of the biggest graphics whores on GAF, become Debbie downers on this topic? It seems like we are in the minority going by that poll
And I'll add, maybe that's why the Nvidia Path Traced version of those same cutscenes looked so bad and crude in comparison..

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To have simpletons more easily blinded by their "Path Tracing looks bad in comparison".
Yeah, games designed around path tracing will not be a thing until next gen. Now they are all just bolt ons and results will naturally be mixed
 
And your favorite YouTubers are already taking a shit on the tech.






Massive respect for Dood, who worked with Nvidia in the past.

Raised some great points everyone with a set of eyes and brain cells should theoretically agree with.
I haven't noticed before stuff like the street lamp no longer emitting light in the Resident Evil comparison.
 
What do you mean, 'wrong'? Are gamers not going to be allowed to have an opinion? I'm not saying what the developers will say - a Ubisoft developer can 'say' Assassin's Creed Shadows was never 'woke', but the gamers will have a different opinion. I didn't say what is 'true', I said what the gamers will 'say' or 'complain' about. It has nothing to do with developers' intentions or actions.

Developers won't be able to stop a large amount of gamers calling their art 'A.I. slop' due to usage of DLSS5, that is what I am saying.


See? That's what I'm talking about.
You still have a no say on it though. you only talking with your wallet / expressing your opinion. the game art design, development and everything is really up to the developers. Now some of them listen to the feedback, some of them don't. But you really can't change anything because simply its not in your control.

lets say your dream is to build a character that look like a devil for example, and has devil powers that devour whatever sees in its way. some people online got sensitive and expressed their religion or concerns about your art, and they don't like.. not gonna change what you want to build if that is what you want.

Sometimes this works and sometimes doesn't. Kingdom deliverance or whatever its called didnt add black people in the game even though everyone was against them. still found success. Harry Potter? Forgot about how everyone and his mom were not gonna support it because if the original writer's thoughts about the LGPTBBQ stuff? They still made the game, and it was a huge success.

My point is, you can be against it as much as you want, you still have no say in it. Is it your opinion? yeah 100% and u r allowed to have one. It doesn't necessarily mean changing the outcome. That is what entitled and Karens believe. But reality isnt even close to that.


They can cry about it, calling AI slop ( its really not and not even close ), but still won't change the outcome. NVIDIA is pushing this, and whether you like it or not, it will go through.
 
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You still have a no say on it though. you only talking with your wallet / expressing your opinion. the game art design, development and everything is really up to the developers. Now some of them listen to the feedback, some of them don't. But you really can't change anything because simply its not in your control.

lets say your dream is to build a character that look like a devil for example, and has devil powers that devour whatever sees in its way. some people online got sensitive and expressed their religion or concerns about your art, and they don't like.. not gonna change what you want to build if that is what you want.

Sometimes this works and sometimes doesn't. Kingdom deliverance or whatever its called didnt add black people in the game even though everyone was against them. still found success. Harry Potter? Forgot about how everyone and his mom were not gonna support it because if the original writer's thoughts about the LGPTBBQ stuff? They still made the game, and it was a huge success.

My point is, you can be against it as much as you want, you still have no say in it. Is it your opinion? yeah 100% and u r allowed to have one. It doesn't necessarily mean changing the outcome. That is what entitled and Karens believe. But reality isnt even close to that.


They can cry about it, calling AI slop ( its really not and not even close ), but still won't change the outcome. NVIDIA is pushing this, and whether you like it or not, it will go through.
At this point it's obvious that we're talking about completely different things, so I'm just going to give you a thumbs up and say 'ok'.




(y) ok.
 
At this point it's obvious that we're talking about completely different things, so I'm just going to give you a thumbs up and say 'ok'.




(y) ok.
sure whatever makes you happy. but still doesnt change anything. you said "

Developers won't be able to stop a large amount of gamers calling their art 'A.I. slop' due to usage of DLSS5, that is what I am saying."

and I said yes agree 100% ( even though I dont agree about the AI slop ), i do agree that you have the opinion to call them that or whatever you want for using DLSS5 ( which i think is really stunning ) But your opinion or mine, wont change the outcome. Devs are on board. Nvidia behind this fully. whatever you like it or not, it wont change the outcome. but...


(y) ok. lol
 
sure whatever makes you happy. but still doesnt change anything. you said "

Developers won't be able to stop a large amount of gamers calling their art 'A.I. slop' due to usage of DLSS5, that is what I am saying."

and I said yes agree 100% ( even though I dont agree about the AI slop ), i do agree that you have the opinion to call them that or whatever you want for using DLSS5 ( which i think is really stunning ) But your opinion or mine, wont change the outcome. Devs are on board. Nvidia behind this fully. whatever you like it or not, it wont change the outcome. but...


(y) ok. lol
So you agree with what I said, then debated me on something I never said or argued about. Probably because you thought I was an A.I./DLSS5 hater? Which I'm not, I'm really impressed with the tech. I was just speculating on what the haters will say.
 
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