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Proton 11 finally adds ARM64 support for Linux ARM.
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Gamezone
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Not allowing native streaming apps is just one example.
Gamezone
Gold Member
But Android?
Topher
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Android is an open platform
I don't see any reason why Sony would be impacted by this
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Parazels
Member
Lower power efficiency
Topher
Identifies as young
If Sony's handheld were not tied to PS consoles for compatibility then perhaps, but consoles in general will remain with AMD for the overall increase in power vs ARM
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64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
Then run to Rockstar, Ubisoft, Sony, EA, Microsoft, etc and convince them to waste money making ARM/Android/iOS ports of all the big AAA games.
Translation is the future.
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Unknown Soldier
Banned
Not on Mac
Mac is just a regular computer. You have always been able to run Steam on Mac, although there have not been very many games ported to Mac
Topher
Identifies as young
Right.....talking about iphone and ipad though
Guardian Monkey
Member
They use all the same chips (A or M series), mac, iphone,and ipad.
Topher
Identifies as young
Right, but there are things you can do on Mac that you cannot do on iphone and ipad is my point. This is likely one of those things.
Guardian Monkey
Member
got it
LyricalShrike
Member
Is apple still forced to allow Europeans to install whatever on their phones?
Topher
Identifies as young
I'm not sure. Could be this turns into something for them, if so
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
It's beautiful to see arm gaming going so far. I've always been a handheld enjoyer and this feels very vindicating that every sector of tech is scrambling to make ARM processors more capable and powerful.
We'll be playing Crimson Desert on GBA-sized handhelds in half a decade if this progress keeps. Bonus points if Nvidia really gets into making arm processors.
We'll be playing Crimson Desert on GBA-sized handhelds in half a decade if this progress keeps. Bonus points if Nvidia really gets into making arm processors.
Durin
Member
I don't know what they could do other than bitch.
If over the next few years Valve get this translation to ARM to function as well as Proton did a few years after the Steam Deck launch...enough people will start to shift over to buying from Steam to have their game purchases available on more devices, and Steam > Google Play Store from just a shopping/discovery platform for games.
dgrdsv
Member
AMD is making an ARM CPU too.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
Funny how even the good ideas Xbox has are done better somewhere else. Microslop can't help themselves lolIn the future people called "Steam Play Anywhere"
Gamezone
Gold Member
Apple will never allow other games run of their devices.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Apple already has a proton type of app that uses wine. it works very well actually.
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simpatico
Gold Member
Apple doesn't really have a choice. If Proton can do for OSX what it did for Linux those M5s are going to be VERY interesting. MBP would become the best mid to high level gaming laptop overnight.
They are doing their very best to delay it by not support Vulkan. Kronos Group is developing MoltenVK which translates Vulkan calls to Metal.
This keeps Apple PCs from just working like one would expect with Proton.
Durin
Member
Yeah, Apple support is gonna be tougher, and likely worse performance overhead. Gotta translate the instruction set from x86 to ARM, and do two translations to get from DirectX to Metal.
Hopefully the App Store Freedom Act gets passed through congress in the US to impose Apple to open up third-party storefronts like the EU and Japan.
simpatico
Gold Member
Ah. I didn't know any specifics as to what was slowing them down. The complete absence of Vulkan will certainly do it though. Hopefully they work it out. I'm in the laptop market and from what I can tell MBP is the only sane option. Just based on how it performs in other workloads, it certainly seems like it would be a beast in gaming.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Apple does pretty decently already with CrossCode but hopefully the performance will improve. M5 MacBook Pros should have even better performance vs now considering how they do in other apps.
Kind of wish Steam was available on modern iPads. M4/M5 iPads are crazy powerful for what they are. Maybe Eurobros can live the dream!
Kind of wish Steam was available on modern iPads. M4/M5 iPads are crazy powerful for what they are. Maybe Eurobros can live the dream!
Shockwave_Fox
Member
How long does it take new beta proton versions to be available as normal?
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
The moment this happens, that's it. Gaming platforms will have been solved. steam will become the new doom- ran on anything with an arm processor and graphical compute. Counter strike on all screens. All gamers from all walks of life can enjoy their steam library from wherevee on whatever. This is going to be so lit.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
That's mostly because of the GPU hardware. ARM CPUs are noticeably cheaper but not enough to really offset the massive expense of graphical compute.
You can see this in gaming PCs, the most expensive component is never the CPU but the graphics card. A lot of arm devices are cheaper because snapdragons don't have super powerful graphics. Nvidia might change this but then you'll be paying a pretty penny for their hardware
Parazels
Member
Do we really need top-tier graphics in handhelds though? For me, a handheld is an indie powerhouse first and foremost.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
Well that's kind of the state we're in right now I'd say. Even with oncoming price increases AYN Odin is the best handheld on the market not made by Nintendo or Valve and it goes for 320. For what you get that's a steal and it's capable of playing plenty of PC indies with increasing compatibility on the way.
I'm just discussing in the future, as in when these get good enough to meet the capabilities of dedicated home game systems and even surpass their power.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
I've got the Steam app on my iPhone, I can buy games using the app. I just can't install and play the games...... yet.
Apple has a new CEO, maybe this guy will be more into games.
Apple has a new CEO, maybe this guy will be more into games.
Gamezone
Gold Member
You can't even use native apps like xCloud, Geforce Now or other streaming services. That would indicate that native gaming on third party stores are far away.