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Is Directive 8020 another woke Slop?
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Odinnii
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In chapter 1 you play as Carter (young dad/engineer/takes his job seriously) and you are fixing the ship while talking to Simms (younger /bit of a quirk chungus female character) who is also doing maintenance on another part of the ship. Rest of the crew is in cryosleep or whatever.
Comms suddenly disconnect and Carter, concerned, goes to find Simms. After a couple of dark hallways, you see all 5' of her standing in a hoodie under a flickering light. She mumbles something then turns around and starts walking towards you with a blank look on her face.
Carter, for some reason, freaks the fuck out and starts running away like a schoolgirl who just saw Michael Myers. The game throws you into a stealth section where you try to sneak your 6'+ ass around the 130 lb menace. You get back to your room and then in a cutscene Carter begs for help like a little bitch and then gets attacked and killed by Simms without even trying to fight back.
Shit was hilarious.
Btw Carter is Canadian.
Comms suddenly disconnect and Carter, concerned, goes to find Simms. After a couple of dark hallways, you see all 5' of her standing in a hoodie under a flickering light. She mumbles something then turns around and starts walking towards you with a blank look on her face.
Carter, for some reason, freaks the fuck out and starts running away like a schoolgirl who just saw Michael Myers. The game throws you into a stealth section where you try to sneak your 6'+ ass around the 130 lb menace. You get back to your room and then in a cutscene Carter begs for help like a little bitch and then gets attacked and killed by Simms without even trying to fight back.
Shit was hilarious.
Btw Carter is Canadian.
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Hollywood Hitman
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Eh, I think you know what it means but it seems it's the new thing to say "I don't even know what woke is" to sorta side step the issue.
Here's the thing I always go back to, how come we never had these conversations 10 15 20 years ago? They simply made characters that were what gamers and people wanted. Girls would most likely always have a cuteness to them, guys were mans man kinda guy, was never an issue until now we see these characters that look like your average every day Walmart shopping bitch. They don't have the "Look" that we've been used to forever now.
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Danjin44
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Not really not anymore.
Please tell me is original Nier Gestalt considered "woke"? The main character in Gestalt was especially made "ugly" for western audience because they thought western audience rather play as ugly old man.
Is Shin Megami Tensei V is "woke"? since the main character in that game has long hair which you could say it "feminine" male character.
So yes I truly dont understand what "woke" is in this context.
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laynelane
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Don't worry about it, dude. When it comes to divisive subjects, there's often a tendency to shoot the messenger. The fact is that these issues exist and whether you draw attention to them or not, they'll keep existing. By bringing the subject up, those who are interested can discuss and debate it which is ideal and interesting from an intellectual and customer perspective. Those that aren't interested also have options - ignoring the thread being the most obvious one. Personal attacks on you and wanting this discussion shut down because a person finds it disagreeable are some of the things I've seen here. It's unfortunate, but it's really not a reflection of you. I hope you know that.
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Hollywood Hitman
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Long hair tho isn't an issue, madmartigan for instance in willow has long hair and he was masculine and an awesome character. As a metal head I grew up with all long hair in the bands, that isn't really feminine per say.
And imo a grizzled older dude character is fine if it it's the story.
I just think one of the biggest things we see today is a flip of girls looking more masculine and men actually looking feminine, that to me says it all.
But like I said in the 90s and early 2000s - 10, this was never a conversation, why do you think that is so?
Danjin44
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So I guess Unicorn Overlord is "woke"? In that they have character like Amalia which is bigger than all the male characters.
Because today people love internet drama and just looking for to get offended by something in order have fake outrage.
Hollywood Hitman
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But see thats cherry picking tryin to find an example when I've always said it's fine to have the one offs, look at Chyna when she was alive she was a huge girl but that's an anomaly, when all women start having huge jawlines the patterns are noticed and she went and had surgery to look more feminine, so girls want to be more feminine as well overall most of the time.
And nah, bro I was on forums since dialup... People debated abs argued to high heaven just as much but it was about what console is better, what games are better, what pc games are better... IGN an VN were nonstop arguments.
The problem is younger generations came onto the scene and think they are going to fix life's problems and then came the sjws and here we are. These weren't conversations being had for a good 30 years of my life.
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duck_sauce
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Why do almost all of them have short hair?
Why the masculine bodies?
Why do men look so feminine?
I dont know about you guys but the game has so many red flags that I needed to share it with you
Lets have a healthy debate
Why are all the women in this game so ugly in the game?
Why do almost all of them have short hair?
Why the masculine bodies?
Why do men look so feminine?
I dont know about you guys but the game has so many red flags that I needed to share it with you
Lets have a healthy debate
The amount of woke threads is wild lately.
If this continues we need an anti woke subforum (with the option to hide it completely)
Oh Gaf What on earth has become of you?
Danjin44
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I would say this issue in both side. Just like how one side call every little thing "problematic" and other side call every little "woke" in my opinion both gone beyond stupid.
I missed the time when people got offended by actual racism and actual woke crap but now people just gone so fucking oversensitive. Everything and anything is either problematic or woke…..fuck both side, thanks to them they have destroyed proper gaming conversations.
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Hollywood Hitman
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I get it, but I mean this place is very much the better overall place to be for conversation. But I still feel devs like to see what they can get away with, they really do try to just sneak things in. If they'd just prioritize great games I guarantee these woke discussions would dissipate
Danjin44
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As far as I'm concerned devs should be free to make whatever the fuck they want and I'm free to like it or dislike it.
What I hate more than anything even more than woke BS is restricting what devs should or shouldn't make.
If devs want to put their beliefs or politics in to their own game they should be free do so same way Japanese devs are free to make character design sexy….thats their game and that's their fucking choice.
And if people don't like it they have free will they can choose not buy it….simple as that.
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duck_sauce
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Preferably without going into drama queen mode and bitch and whine on neogaf.
Let you wallet be your protest and keep Gaf free of negative culture war drama.
Danjin44
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Heck I'm not even saying people not allowed to criticize it….criticize away but telling devs they shouldn't allowed make those type of game then I will tell to those people "fuck you! Who are you to decide what devs should or shouldn't allowed to make".
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Hollywood Hitman
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I never said they can't put what they want in, but if they can put what they want in I have every right as well to call out shit when we see to, works both ways.
You're advocating for them to do what they want, yet when people voice their displeasure you seem to not like that so which is it?
From what I've gathered (haven't played the game):
2 out of 3 astronauts having short hair, and a tracker/vitals vest looking kinda gay on a dude == "woke slop".
That's all it takes these days for people to dismiss a game as slop.
Like some have never seen astronauts looking like Jessica Watkins, or Peggy Whitson, or tracker vests in the real world to piss them off. not really fussed how gay sports players look wearing them or how ugly they think short hair astronauts are to comment on their appearance. Those things in reality doesn't pain people, just games can't have anything like that lest you be deemed woke and scorned.
KanKamAndNob
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Supermassive Games Directive 8020: "If We're Living In A World Where We Can't Have A Female Black Lead, I Don't Want To Live There" article
https://deadline.com/2025/06/directive-8020-interview-will-doyle-1236437976/
https://deadline.com/2025/06/directive-8020-interview-will-doyle-1236437976/
KanKamAndNob
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Two words: Anita Sarkeesian
She forever poisoned the well with the "liking attractive women=hates women" feminist crap. Western devs, like little worker ants, blindly followed their queen believing her delusions, lies, and obfuscating of facts. Sarkeesian twisted the whole "50% of gamers are women" lie (it is a bald faced lie when we actually look at the numbers for even a second) and Western devs just stupidly lapped it up like starving dogs to be seen as "good little boys".
Facts: women don't play the same video games that men do in any appreciable numbers. Never have and never will. Women have always had the games that catereed to them. The Sims, Candy Crush, Angry Birds, WoW, etc. They never have and never will play games in significant numbers like God of War, Gears of War, Prototype, Halo, Baldur's Gate, Call of Duty, etc, because THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED. It's that fucking simple.
For fuck's sake, didn't Infinite Nikki and Tomadachi do great numbers? What's wrong with that? Those are the types of games women play, not games like Dark Souls or Divinity: Original Sin. Hell, if those women who do play games designed for male focused gamers, I seriously doubt that seeing an attractive woman as a lead is going to stop them. Wasn't there a shit ton of women who identified as core gamers (the ones that are really into gaming) love Lara Croft, Joanna Dark, Chun-LI, Tifa Lockhart, Yuna, etc? Don't they play games like the Atelier series and the Final Fantasy series which is chock full of cute/sexy women? No matter how you look at this argument, the feminist lie that Sarkeesian used to poison the industry is just that. A fucking lie and a bad one at that.
I would post articles, studies, polls, etc, providing evidence of all of this, but it would be a waste of time. The people hellbent on bitching about us not liking wokeness or likes to weaselly defend it will just ignore the facts anyways and regurgitate retarded Reddit shit like "InCeL", "GoOnEr", or my personal favorite "TaLk To WoMeN".
Gonzito
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The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
What?
1 "woke" character from a game with 45 playable characters vs 4 "woke" characters in a game with 5 playable characters, sure it's a good comparison.Woke alert
Valkyria Chronicles is now "woke"
/s
laynelane
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How virtuous of him.
There's been plenty of diversity in games well before this game's release and there will be after too. He should have just stuck with this:
duck_sauce
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I see a pattern tooCall me crazy if you want but I see a pattern here
mdkirby
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Is the writing any good tho? That usually the main problem this stuff signifies. It's not that the characters look a certain way in and of itself, it's that like a brightly colored frog, it indicates a deep rot within the content of the game itself and you're about to hear some unbelievably F tier dialogue and writing.
….kinda like that girl with pecking birds hands meme being a signifier that you're about to hear something monumentally stupid.
….kinda like that girl with pecking birds hands meme being a signifier that you're about to hear something monumentally stupid.
laynelane
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I'm wondering that too. The premise sounds intriguing, but a lot of the negative reviews on Steam are about performance issues and multiplayer being removed from the game (all the preceding games in the series had it). Not too much feedback on the story itself yet.
Dr.Morris79
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That's a sports bra, the missus wears them to go jogging inWhy do men look so feminine?
...What the fuck
mdkirby
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Yah, it's on my wish list, but I'm neck deep in crimson desert and kingdom come 2…and it released at same time as call of the elder gods and I decided I'd rather support them. So I'm in no rush.
This is a real problem tho that has sadly been caused by the relentless march of things like veilguard of the last few years. They really have made it so now if you see a black, female or a worse still a black bald female and/or a purple hued pallete, it sets of alarm bells…not because "oh no a black person", but because pattern matching (something gamers are particularly susceptible to) suggests it's gonna be a shit show. This is real damage they have done to both minority, female and LGB representation in games that will take a good while to heal. It did not used to be this way.
laynelane
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It definitely didn't use to be this way. I think back on something like Fallout NV - lots of female characters, female characters in leadership positions, two gay characters, a variety of people from different backgrounds, etc. No one batted any eye when it was released in 2010 and the game is beloved to this day. However, a game nowadays with similar characters and themes would be met with a lot of caution from many people. It shouldn't be that way, but it's the result of the damage you mention. Just lots of heavy handed insertion of ideologies, checklists, DEI, refusal to listen to audience feedback, etc. I'd like to think it's something devs are gradually moving on from, but time will on that.
TintoConCasera
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Just my opinion, but I believe it's not a matter of the presence of some elements in the game, but they way they are displayed and the intention of the devs when putting those elements in the game.
You bring up other examples with japanese games but that's a different culture with different standards. For example, the MC in SMT V is a slender dude with long hair and with features that lean way more into "pretty boy" territory rather than muscular and heroic which is more of a western standard. But he's there not to send any kind of message or whatever, but because that's the beauty standard in Japan for men. Hell even demons make fun of him some times due to how he looks, and that would never happen in a woke game. Sylvando was flamboyant as hell but I don't remember the game ever bringing up his sexuality nor trying to make any points about it, the UO character design you posted is there clearly to appeal to people who find that sexy and while I still have to play VC, I'd bet that dude's there more to make jokes rather than send any kind of message.
When you see the other stuff that's in those games it's pretty hard to call them woke. They are still full of manly dudes and cute chicks, but most important, they don't waste time on trying to send any kind of message, which I believe is the important part.
Back to western devs, I believe there's not an issue with having gay characters in a game and it shouldn't be. Problem, way I see, is when the medium we love so much is used to send some kind of social or political message. This is all subjective and anyone is able to draw the line whenever they want, and I draw it at "this game's trying to lecture me and trying to tell me how I should behave or what I should think". So if there's a gay dude, no problem, but if like in Dragon Age Veilguard some character starts talking about their pronouns in a medieval setting then yeah, that's woke for sure.
tldr: "woke" isn't a game having this or that but the game trying to lecture you about modern stuff.
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GymWolf
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Bitch looks like the frat bro that frame-mogged that clavicular dude...I am dead serious, do you really think these shoulders are normal in a woman?
consoul
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If you're targeting a realistic look and you don't have the budget for Pragmata hair, guess what you do?
The bald space marines of the PS360 era weren't woke, they were just easier to render than ZZ Top.
laynelane
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I think the culture difference is important. Using the SMT V MC example, I did the demon hangout events regularly and a lot of them commented on the MC's hair. More than one referred to it as "godly" and such. It made me think about how many characters I've seen in various animes who, when they power up, have long hair suddenly. There are some similarities in how things are interpreted in western and eastern games, of course, but I find the differences to be more numerous.
Toots
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Gonzito
papito even tho i often engage with your woke slop threads, those all out war threads are bad for us as a community. Everyone is so entrenched on their side no one is ever going to convince anyone to change their opinion no matter the arguments.To me, your participation to the graphical fidelity thread is infinitely more valuable than witch hunting woke slop.
I don't say don't call out games if you want to, but maybe don't be stuck up on those shit game so much that you create threads about it ?
GymWolf
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MarV0
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I've been going to the gym for 20 years, I've seen all sorts of toned women. I've never seen a woman with such shoulders.
That is clearly a male torso, women's shoulders taper down no matter how toned they are. Enough with the low effort gas lighting.
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Gonzito
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I agree. It seems like they chose a male model and shrink it because that type of body just doesn't make sense for a woman
Putonahappyface
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We have been indoctrinated since the 1980s.That's a sports bra, the missus wears them to go jogging in
...What the fuck
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Idleyes
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Idleyes
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So? Not everything is for everybody. I personally prefer Black women over anyone else, but that doesn't mean other women aren't attractive to somebody else. Different people connect with different things. Ya feel me?
