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2011 NBA Playoffs |OT3| Heat Lifelongs Assemble
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Damn, I finally got home, need to go to bed for work tomizzle. But while watching the game, especially the last quarter, it just became so apparent that defensively, its D.Rose and a bunch of studs. Offensively, its D.Rose and a bunch of scrubs (boozer included). The sad thing is if they want offense they have to sacrifice alot of defense cause Korver is a slow white man.
Its like being a paladin, and wanting to have more DPS in the raid, but that would mean you have to chose between your pvp gear and your holy gear. You should never have to choose.
Also, Rose has to be MVP. If he wasn't on this team, they would have the same record as the Pacers, if not even worse.
Its like being a paladin, and wanting to have more DPS in the raid, but that would mean you have to chose between your pvp gear and your holy gear. You should never have to choose.
Also, Rose has to be MVP. If he wasn't on this team, they would have the same record as the Pacers, if not even worse.
Dreams-Visions
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MIKE BROWN MVP COACH.
Lord, let it be true so that a good, hearty laugh can be had at the expense of Lakernation.
I love you guys, but it would be one of the few pure irony's we get in this sport annually.
Lord, let it be true so that a good, hearty laugh can be had at the expense of Lakernation.
I love you guys, but it would be one of the few pure irony's we get in this sport annually.
Basileus777
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overcast said:
Wade doesn't have 6 years of top level play left in him. Hell, LeBron will probably be a much different player in 5 years.
Plus with a hard cap and no MLE or draft picks, their roster is pretty much stuck the way it is.
Dreams-Visions
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Out West? Nobody based on current rosters.overcast said:
Out East? Boston has 1 more season in them. Chicago will be a perennial threat that will only get better. a 3rd power rising will depend on what Howard does and what the Knicks do over the next couple of years.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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overcast said:
Mike Brown.
Black Mamba
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overcast said:
The fact that they've been fortunate not to play a real team with an actual inside threat to go with an outside threat compliment.
For all the talk, the Miami offense has been unspectacular this postseason. If the Bulls weren't playing 3 on 5 on offense (Miami is 3.5 on 5), then they'd be able to win.
Not to mention the game went to OT. chicago could have easily won this game and had the advantage back. If they do, everyone is talking about that, how Wade sucks, how Lebron is unclutch again. Instead, now people like you wonder how they won't win 6 titles in a row.
Overreactions galore.
marathonfool
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Nelo Ice said:
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Black Mamba said:
Yeah, Bulls should have won the game and I think they'd win the series(though it'd likely go 7) if they did but they didn't get it done.
But then again, don't tell that to Heat fans and others here, they think the Heat is easily the better team than the Bulls.
The reality of it is a whole different matter.
Dreams-Visions
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Indeed. But I think the concern is that Dallas can't beat them 4 times either. I suppose if Dirk is going to play in the low post most of the time, they can play some of that inside-outside game you're talking about...but they're going to have their own problems too. Especially on the defensive end, considering how many points they're giving up to OKC. If they plan on giving up 100 to Miami every game, they can forget about rings.Black Mamba said:
okay, is it really true or are they just fucking with us? I don't know who BA_Turner is.Nelo Ice said:
I'd suggest they should have won Games 2 AND 4. Shoulda, coulda, woulda.TheGreatMightyPoo said:
Black Mamba
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Newsflash: The only coaches who mattered over the past decade have been Pop, Phil, and Adelman (and Riley for a year). No one else matters.
Even Doc was a terrible coach according to everyone ever until he won in '08. I think he's a good coach, but I generally don't think he's the difference between winning a title and losing one. neither is Mike Brown. There are some awful coaches based on substitution patterns, but other than that players play. Coaching is overrated.
Sometimes I felt the Lakers won the past 2 seasons despite some of Phil's decisions. I know other Laker fans agree.
The Lakers will not lose because of Mike Brown.
I don't know if Dallas win will either. TBH, this is the first season in a loooooooooooong time I'm confused.
Dallas offense is way better but defense much worse. Sadly, it all hinges on marion which is a bad proposition. Unless Dirk can continue to score 40 at this efficiency. If he's God-dirk, he can carry em.
But at the same time, Dallas is due for a serious regression to the mean. They have played above their heads all playoffs. Will it continue for another week and take hold next season, or come soon?
Even Doc was a terrible coach according to everyone ever until he won in '08. I think he's a good coach, but I generally don't think he's the difference between winning a title and losing one. neither is Mike Brown. There are some awful coaches based on substitution patterns, but other than that players play. Coaching is overrated.
Sometimes I felt the Lakers won the past 2 seasons despite some of Phil's decisions. I know other Laker fans agree.
The Lakers will not lose because of Mike Brown.
I don't know if Dallas win will either. TBH, this is the first season in a loooooooooooong time I'm confused.
Dallas offense is way better but defense much worse. Sadly, it all hinges on marion which is a bad proposition. Unless Dirk can continue to score 40 at this efficiency. If he's God-dirk, he can carry em.
But at the same time, Dallas is due for a serious regression to the mean. They have played above their heads all playoffs. Will it continue for another week and take hold next season, or come soon?
Dreams-Visions
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I never thought I'd see the day. Mike Brown coaching the Los Angeles Lakers.Nelo Ice said:
Never has there been a more overrated coach, as Laker Nation has accurately pointed out for the last few seasons. NEVER. And now his overrated ass is going to coach the Lakers.
Unreal.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Black Mamba said:
The only problem is if they can WIN because of him.
Coaching can be overrated but the Lakers aren't exactly in their prime and arguably on the decline so maybe it matters moreso in this case.
Not sure but of course people here overplay anything.
He's not going to rule them out as being a strong playoff team.
Black Mamba
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dIEHARD said:
I was just trying to see if you're alive. But throw in Sloan, too. Really, that's it. Eliminate the god awful coaches, and the rest are a pile of the same.
Coaching has minimal impact outside of rotations.
As I mentioned earlier, Lebron didn't win because his teammates were too weak. But for Mike Brown, this doesn't hold because...?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Black Mamba said:
Just don't throw him out like his idol.
Basileus777
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pilonv1 said:
You're excited about Lawrence Frank?
Black Mamba
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pilonv1 said:
I personally think Brown would have been better. Frank is a great example of an overrated coach.
Who didn't think that anyway? Unless another superteam forms.
But Wade is older and I personally think he could regress much quicker than people realize. And they will always lack depth, so any injury will badly hurt them.
Anything short of 3+ titles will be a failure.
Dreams-Visions
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Time for a new thread title.Nelo Ice said:
"Lakers Lifelongs Disassemble"
Basileus777
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Black Mamba said:
Frank is good with X&Os, but he's hardly the type of coach who can lead or control a team. With the Nets he basically let the players run the show.
He's an excellent assistant, but a pretty mediocre head coach.
Well, if this Heat series has taught us anything, it's that chicago can't be just ALL rose on the offensive end. They've played great D on him, and kept him out of it, but they're able to double at will, and trap with no regards, as there is no other threat.
So, Mayo, Afflalo, and Redick must be high up the list of "must gets" for the Bulls? I can't think of many other 2 guards they even have a shot at. I don't think they'd want westbrook, he wouldn't help spacing at all.
So, Mayo, Afflalo, and Redick must be high up the list of "must gets" for the Bulls? I can't think of many other 2 guards they even have a shot at. I don't think they'd want westbrook, he wouldn't help spacing at all.
Basileus777
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giri said:
Redick and Afflalo aren't really what they need. They need another wing who can handle the ball and create offense, not another spot-up shooter specialist. Someone like Crawford would help.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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giri said:
Only one I'd want from your "list" is Afflalo and I can't see them landing him.
What would they have to give up????
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Basileus777 said:
Would Courtney Lee of the Rockets help much???(no???, ok
)They could have gotten him but the Rockets wanted Asik.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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Dreams-Visions
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If I might add an addendum, it's that the issue is not a lack of other threats so much as a confidence that Rose won't look for them or find them without turning the ball over or charging.giri said:
It's unfortunate but it's true. How many times has he driven into the teeth of 2 or 3 defenders under the hoop when a teammate was wide open? How many times has he tried to pass out of a self-created bad situation only to turn it over, then blame the teammates for not knowing he was about to do something stupid?
As Campy Russell says, "Pressure bursts a pipe."
Basileus777
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TheGreatMightyPoo said:Would Courtney Lee of the Rockets help much???(no???, ok
They could have gottne him but the Rockets wanted Asik.
Lee wouldn't be terrible, he can shoot and is a solid defender. But he doesn't really do anything to make the offense less reliant on Rose creating.
IMO a Crawford or JR Smith type of player would help more, and it's someone Chicago could actually get.
Yeah, i take you point, i guess that puts Mayo to the front, and Maybe Harden, if they can grab him? but harden seems almost untouchable.Basileus777 said:
TheGreatMightyPoo said:
i'm an Afflalo fanboi, but he's great, plays tough D and shoots the 3 at a very high rate, and this year was making plays to the hoop also. But Reddick is a great passer, great shooter, and plays good D. He's not athletically gifted enough to play GREAT D, but he's more than solid. Mayo... well, see above. He'd be a second ball handler, someone who can create for others off the dribble.
TheGreatMightyPoo said:Would Courtney Lee of the Rockets help much???(no???, ok
They could have gotten him but the Rockets wanted Asik.
Courtney would be a good pickup, but... i think reddick and Aff would be higher up the list, but Lee is probably more attainable. But to be fair, they need a mayo/harden type more. Another person who can create also, so the D can't focus entirely on him.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Dreams-Visions said:
I wanted the ball to go to Deng on that last play of regulation, just a hunch.
But to his credit and fault, Rose wants to take it upon himself to win or lose the game at the end.
I'm not sure if anyone was open(the guy on Sportscenter said someone was) but maybe being a decoy would have worked out, we'll never know.
Of course they beat the Heat in Chicago in the season with that pass Rose made to Deng for the 3 but Rose was doubled and he's always the guy taking the final shot it seems.
Not too upset with the shot though, he can make that but without making excuses for him as he still missed badly, he almost lost the ball taken it back up for the shot and it had no chance.
Basileus777
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Dreams-Visions said:
While there is truth to this, the fact is that Chicago really doesn't have anyone else on the roster that can handle the ball or create their own shot. Certainly Rose could do a better job running the offense, but he's not Chris Paul. He's not going to become Chris Paul. The Bulls need to get another wing to help him out in this area.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Basileus777 said:
If Crawford is available, the Bulls would be stupid not to strongly consider him.
I'm not saying no to all of that. But he has had stretches this series where he's looked for others, and they just haven't converted, thats when he goes back into thinking about his shot first.Dreams-Visions said:
Basileus777 said:
I think crawford would be great, as an additional signing, not as a permanent starter at the 2g. Same with JR. For a team built on D, there would be too many defensive lapses between them.
Basileus777 said:
Crawford is overrated. He took alot of bad shots that Hawks series. And Lee is outright better than Smith. Did you watch Lee when he finally started for us? He has become an outright starting 2 guard, is very athletic, FINALLY finishes around the rim, and can play defense. I would have him over crawford.
Black Mamba
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I would hate to have JR Smith on my team, no matter the circumstances.
To think, Bulls traded for Mayo but was too late.
To think, Bulls traded for Mayo but was too late.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I'm not sold on Mayo, he certainly has potential though.
The other guys mentioned intrigue me more besides Reddick, not sold on him at all.
JR Smith though seems the only bad fit for the Bulls for me.
The other guys mentioned intrigue me more besides Reddick, not sold on him at all.
JR Smith though seems the only bad fit for the Bulls for me.
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