Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012

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My earlier question is just as good!

I'll even revise it:

If Nintendo goes third-party before Wii U releases and ports their games to PC, should a get a low-end graphics card or a mid-range card? (real mid range, as in the card launched at over $100)


Our questions combined can paint a pretty picture while he reveals almost nothing directly. IT'S FOOL PROOF!

in before "you should know"

I already answered that for you.
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It will be a medium-end card
 
I want more than one opinion so I can safely make a judgement. I believe you, but I really want final clarification on this.

If you honestly believe Nintendo will be getting something equivalent to a card in the low range (i.e. a 5450, with 80 SPUs) I'm not sure what to tell you.
 
So I think I lost my mind last night when I posted that they would have to use 28nm to get the gpu cool enough. Looking through the Radeon line, I believe they could definitely create a chip that runs around 600Mhz w/ 640 shader units and get it to run at around 40 watts at peak.
Yeah, now I look at all the stuff AMD has pushed out recent years, I think they actually already did that with the Mobility Radeon HD 4830 and 4860 way back in 2009 :)
 
The sad thing is I'll be forced to buy A Wii-U as soon as they release their flagship Mario/Zelda game on the system, even though I have no interest in it otherwise. *Sigh, Nintendo owns my ass.
Aaannndd I have no fucking idea what anyone is talking about in this thread, so time to bail out.

Just know that you will be very happy with your purchase when you finally make it. :)

There's nothing wrong with an R700. If they give us an RV740 like chip, with some decent modern tesselation power, and a nice chunk of EDRAM slapped on there's nothing more to wish for. The R700 series was the foundation of all AMD graphics until this day, and a 'more modern' design wouldn't make much of a difference at all in terms of shader architecture or other basic GPU functionality as far as I understand.

The only thing they simply can't ignore is a tesselation unit. If it doesn't have a tesselator, it can 'only' produce the same graphics as the PS360, although probably significantly upgraded. If it has a proper tesselator, it can actually do new stuff the PS360 can't, and do every trick the next Xbox and PS4 can. This thing therefore has the potential to make the difference between last gen and next gen, although it probably won't be as significant as not having programmable shaders.

Reading wsippel's posts, it seems to me the GPU won't be anything like an off-the-shelf part. The period it was designed in was a period where tesselators were a standard GPU feature for AMD, too. I'm not too worried.

The 360 actually had a tessellation unit. The problem from what I understand is that they've only recently become worth being used. But I agree that it needs a proper one and that's why we should hope Nintendo at least has an 8th gen. unit from AMD in the their GPU.

Aside from that what would the RV700 chips have that isn't present in today's latest chips?

A larger fab process? I got nothin' right now.

If Nintendo goes third-party before Wii U releases and ports their games to PC, should a get a low-end graphics card or a mid-range card?

Eww. That's IGN all over again.
 
^ Correct JJ.



Better question that shouldn't put him in too much trouble. Does the number end in a zero?

I'd still like it if he could confirm something on the overall number of SPU's. Even if its something that's still really vague and more or less obvious like "its above 320 SPU's" :)
 
If you honestly believe Nintendo will be getting something equivalent to a card in the low range (i.e. a 5450, with 80 SPUs) I'm not sure what to tell you.

I separate entry-level from low-end

For AMD cards:

Entry-level: 43xx, 54xx, 64xx

Low-end: 45xx, 46xx, 55xx, 56xx, 65xx, 66xx

Mid-range: 47xx, 4830, 57xx/67xx, 68xx

High-end: 48xx, 58xx, 6950, 6970

Enthusiast: dual-GPU cards
 
Not trying to derail the thread, but did anything come out from the Nintendo investment on InPhase?

I thought that WiiU or 3ds were going to use a kind of holographic media, to help them get the battle against piracy almost won.
 
Not sure why people are so confused about an old GPU in teh dev kits. Remember that the only Xbox 360 GPU in E3 2005 was in the ATI booth in the glass cage. Everything else was Power Macs. That was 5 months before shipping. Wii U is still at least 6 months away.
 
GI: What are your thoughts on developing for the PlayStation Vita and Nintendo’s Wii U?

Kitase: The Vita is a PlayStation platform that has a lot of similarities in the development process to the PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3, so we think it will be an easy transition to start developing for it. There’s nothing to talk about on our end yet, though. With the Wii U, it’s great that there’s a high definition console from Nintendo on the market, which was previously lacking. As far as the specs are concerned, the Wii U seems like something we could develop easily for as well. Hopefully that becomes part of our multiplatform lineup, but we can’t be certain as of now.
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/f...-time-travel-sequel-development-amp-more.aspx

Cant be certain because the final specs are not certain?
And next gen multi-plat or this gen?
 
Not trying to derail the thread, but did anything come out from the Nintendo investment on InPhase?

I thought that WiiU or 3ds were going to use a kind of holographic media, to help them get the battle against piracy almost won.

I heard the company went bankrupt or something like that...
 
It always amazes me to see how he went from looking normal to batshit insane.

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That aside am I the only one who's completely lost the overview on all that Wii U hardware speculation ?

I always thought this was some kind of SNL sketch or something. Wow @ him being real life.
 
I cannot see Wii U not getting Netflix. It's a widely popular on the Wii (wasn't there a story about how it's the most portal for the service?) and seems custom made for the watching movies around the house.
 
I always thought this was some kind of SNL sketch or something. Wow @ him being real life.

search for "Ancient Aliens"

I cannot see Wii U not getting Netflix. It's a widely popular on the Wii (wasn't there a story about how it's the most portal for the service?) and seems custom made for the watching movies around the house.

Netflix was a given before Wii U was even announced. Even 3DS with its small, crappy, ultra low-res screen has it.
 
I'm not sure if this has been confirmed or is even possible, but would the tablet be able to stream netflix?

Anything the Wii U can do can be put on the tablet as it's the console that does all the work. The tablet is just a display. But as already mentioned, Reggie did mention it'd have Netflix quite some time ago.
 
I'd still like it if he could confirm something on the overall number of SPU's. Even if its something that's still really vague and more or less obvious like "its above 320 SPU's" :)

LOL. Well I won't complain if he responds.

Wut? Well I'll be happy no matter what, since it'll be my first HD console.
But what do you mean señor?

Imagine a jump comparable to PS2/PS3 without the difficulty of development.
 
Am I crazy for thinking that was has me hyped the most is finally seeing Nintendo's franchises in HD?
Hell the most exciting thing for me is to have internet access on the thing while gaming, I sure hope every game can support that.

Edit: woops read your post wrong :P
 
Wanted to say that I am thankful for this thread being a stream in the desert since E3. Enjoy reading even though I don't really understand too much.

I mean, I write .Net code as part of my job, but that doesn't have much to do with chip architecture. Thanks for those who have been putting all the work into the thread and those sharing tiny bits of what they know (more please).

Bgassassin, are you still hearing that we might see something around year end?
 
I can't find the exact interview, but Reggie did say that in theory, it can be done.

EDIT: Aha, here it is.


Am I crazy for thinking that was has me hyped the most is finally seeing Nintendo's franchises in HD?

That's the only reason this thread is still alive...its the hype to see those games. The fact that the Wii U seems to be a bit beefier than the Xbox 360 is a huge bonus.

Btw, I really hope you can seamlessly go to a website on the controller when pausing a game. Fuck having to turn on the computer to check a walkthrough.
 
Am I crazy for thinking that was has me hyped the most is finally seeing Nintendo's franchises in HD?
not really, it's the only reason I'm even slightly considering buying a wii-u. In fact I kind of secretly hope that it comes out a full 2 years before the PS4 so the decision to just stfu and get it will be easier :P
 
Hell the most exciting thing for me is to have internet access on the thing while gaming, I sure hope every game can support that.

Yeah, sometimes I need to check something on gamefaqs when I got stuck, or if I want to know about a code/secret. Or post in NeoGAF while playing (let's play style). I not sure if will be possible on WiiU though.
 
Btw, I really hope you can seamlessly go to a website on the controller when pausing a game. Fuck having to turn on the computer to check a walkthrough.

Depending on your definition of seamlessly... even the 3DS can pause a game and open the browser to check a walkthrough. I suspect WiiU will be able to do this as well?
 
Hell the most exciting thing for me is to have internet access on the thing while gaming, I sure hope every game can support that.

Wouldn't that really cut into the RAM and processor? That's the last thing this needs! I'm sorry, but I really hope that doesn't happen. Totally against that. It also means that no games would use the controller to its fullest. Get a smartphone or a tablet is you need that so badly.
 
Wouldn't that really cut into the RAM and processor? That's the last thing this needs! I'm sorry, but I really hope that doesn't happen. Totally against that. It also means that no games would use the controller to its fullest. Get a smartphone or a tablet is you need that so badly.

It would be a few megs and a tiny portion of one core if done right.
 
Wouldn't that really cut into the RAM and processor? That's the last thing this needs! I'm sorry, but I really hope that doesn't happen. Totally against that. It also means that no games would use the controller to its fullest. Get a smartphone or a tablet is you need that so badly.
Normally I would think of this as an obvious joke, but coming from you, I can never tell.
 
I always thought this was some kind of SNL sketch or something. Wow @ him being real life.

Me too. Looks so much like Darrell Hammond.

I liked it better when I thought it was a SNL skit. Heck I still like to imagine it as one. Also the guys voice is disappointingly normal/non-Darrell-Hammond-y when I looked up the clip the gif is based on on youtube.

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Always one of my favorite SNL guys. Apparently he's batshit crazy in real life too.
 
They'll probably (hopefully) implement the same game suspending feature on Wii-U as they have on 3DS, or one that's even better -- enabling things like the internet browser while gaming with little to no trouble.
 
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