RoninChaos
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So really you, and most everybody else in this thread hasn't followed what's going on, and just decided "Hey, these people are douches!" without even knowing why they're protesting?
Wow.
Adam Carolla Rails Against Occupy Members: "....Self-Entitled Monsters"
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Wow.
teruterubozu
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Well, a message is a 2-way street.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Apparently you haven't watched Fox News recently.
malingenie
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There are legitimate douches in the protest, but the movement itself has some legitimate points. Points that the rest of the world agrees with. Unless Adam thinks that the rest of the world are also entitled babies.
Computer technology advances at an exponential rate, and we have to acknowledge the possibility that years/decades down the line many more jobs will be automated by computers and robots. If it's cheaper for one business to adopt automated work, other businesses will have to follow suit otherwise they won't stay competitive. The industrial revolution was not that long ago in the grand scheme of things, and just because the luddites were wrong then doesn't mean they won't eventually be right.
You have to think about how far technology will progress in the coming decades, and how many people's jobs- minimum wage jobs and professional jobs alike- really couldn't be automated with sufficiently advanced software and/or hardware. Business will have to adapt to stay competitive, fewer jobs will exist, and they can't all be replaced with "computer/robot technician" or whatever. And that doesn't just mean more unemployed, it means fewer consumers too, and that's bad for everybody. Obviously this is all speculative, but talking about the future usually is, and mass job automation is a serious concern.
I'm over 25. Yes, people in Western countries do tend to have some sense of self entitlement but that's hardly what's driving these protests. I stopped by my local Occupy movement to talk to the folks there a while back and most of them had well thought out, reasoned arguments for their presence at the rally. I live in a college town of around 200k and most of the folks at the protests were either 30s-40s or folks in or near retirement age. Of those I talked to they were either gainfully employed or retired as well. Nice folks too.
It's anecdotal but I'd still argue those folks are the reason for these protests not the teenagers and college age kids that tend to attach themselves to these events for various reasons (a minority are there for some sort of hooliganism I'm sure).
KibblesBits
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Adam Corolla, wasn't he the one that went on a racist tirade and is well known for saying horrible horrible things about people constantly while not even trying to be humorous?
Vicetrailia
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The internet did just that for us as well.
Space travel...other planet colonization, is that what it will take? I wonder what is on the horizon, but more importantly, how bad will unemployment get?
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Yeah! Why don't the protesters work hard like Adam Carolla does!
I mean he just got 250k, what a median income American makes in about ten years, for dancing on television two days a week for a few months! Why don't the protesters just do that?!
I've seen a lot of ranting about OWS wasting taxpayer money on Facebook and the like lately, so that talking point seems to be working. I understand that the human brain can't comprehend gigantic numbers too well, but the cognitive dissonance required to be mad about a three million dollar park cleanup and not a ten trillion dollar bailout blows my mind.
I mean he just got 250k, what a median income American makes in about ten years, for dancing on television two days a week for a few months! Why don't the protesters just do that?!
I've seen a lot of ranting about OWS wasting taxpayer money on Facebook and the like lately, so that talking point seems to be working. I understand that the human brain can't comprehend gigantic numbers too well, but the cognitive dissonance required to be mad about a three million dollar park cleanup and not a ten trillion dollar bailout blows my mind.
I am sure he would say that all the hard work he has put in getting to where he is allowed him access to that show to make easy money. Are you fucking seriously with that comment...
Oh jeez how unfair!!!
Aizu_Itsuko
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ITT: People ask to be treated like shit and attack those who raise their voice for everybody's rights.
The Occupy Wall Street people must feel like Vietnam veterans.
I seriously hope they don't..
Death Dealer
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Carolla is a joke. It's a huge stretch to call him a comedian.
The occupy movement started over the fact that Wall Street got trillions in bail outs, sit on all of their ill gotten gains instead of reinvesting in this country, and then they lecture the little guy to tighten his belt and quit expecting "hand outs".
I went into a bank of america the other day and ranted to the teller because they were trying to get me to sign up for an account there. I told them their share price had dropped in half in the last month, their bank is not solvent, their bank takes 90 billion in free loans and then has the gall to charge me a $5 service fee to cash a check that was drawn from a BoA acct ?
I avoid banks like the plague, credit unions are better in almost every way with no downside.
People that think the occupy movement is just about self entitled people, that are too lazy to get a job, are hopelessly brainwashed.
The occupy movement started over the fact that Wall Street got trillions in bail outs, sit on all of their ill gotten gains instead of reinvesting in this country, and then they lecture the little guy to tighten his belt and quit expecting "hand outs".
I went into a bank of america the other day and ranted to the teller because they were trying to get me to sign up for an account there. I told them their share price had dropped in half in the last month, their bank is not solvent, their bank takes 90 billion in free loans and then has the gall to charge me a $5 service fee to cash a check that was drawn from a BoA acct ?
I avoid banks like the plague, credit unions are better in almost every way with no downside.
People that think the occupy movement is just about self entitled people, that are too lazy to get a job, are hopelessly brainwashed.
teruterubozu
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What a supremely misguided comparison.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Or maybe, just MAYBE, not everyone who is rich has worked very very hard and not everyone who is poor is very very lazy.
I know, what a zany theory.
what does your comment about him have to do with other wealthy people...try better
Do you honestly expect every single person in this country to have the exact same chance at wealth/success...lol
And realistically, how many people who work hard find themselves in a position where they can dance on tv with a hot 18 year old for a quarter million dollars?
surely that is an ideal worth striving for?
Vicetrailia
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Your theory is wrong because if not, how could I possibly justify why I have more than you?
It's basically in the bible son, but only because that's how I want it to be.
oh well, life is unfair /lamemoreat11comment
It will never ever ever ever happen. You are kidding yourself if you think there is a chance of it happening.
Lactose_Intolerant
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I quit around the time Terresa got a real job. His politics is basically Republican because he has money now. The only thing I liked about him is his hatred for LA politics. The mayor being the favorite target.
Mr. B Natural
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Protesting for the betterment of your peers is self-entitled? Wait what?
People have become too self-obsessed and self-entitled to understand the concept of a protest...at least one that isn't pre-made specifically for a egotistical demographic. That, they can understand.
This is all people can do in a society like this one - raise their voice. If it doesn't get heard, it doesn't get heard, but to call people that are raising their voices self-entitled for sleeping on the streets day and night for a cause greater than themselves and is being ignored by the people is idiotic. Absolutely idiotic.
This is what happens when people stop being entitled, and start working for what they want. They get off their asses and try to make something happen because the person believes that it isn't going to happen by itself. The definitive opposite of self-entitled. Being oppressed and protesting is the equivalent to being poor and getting a job. The EXACT OPPOSITE of deserving a medal for doing nothing.
People have become too self-obsessed and self-entitled to understand the concept of a protest...at least one that isn't pre-made specifically for a egotistical demographic. That, they can understand.
This is all people can do in a society like this one - raise their voice. If it doesn't get heard, it doesn't get heard, but to call people that are raising their voices self-entitled for sleeping on the streets day and night for a cause greater than themselves and is being ignored by the people is idiotic. Absolutely idiotic.
This is what happens when people stop being entitled, and start working for what they want. They get off their asses and try to make something happen because the person believes that it isn't going to happen by itself. The definitive opposite of self-entitled. Being oppressed and protesting is the equivalent to being poor and getting a job. The EXACT OPPOSITE of deserving a medal for doing nothing.
what...exactly is your point in this string of replies?
You aren't guaranteed success if you work hard. You have a chance at it. Don't understand my replies? What the fuck was his supposed to be about?
So.. work hard, but don't expect success, and don't whine if you don't get success.
Mr. B Natural
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More like "wage disparity? What's that? Pfft, life isn't fair, man. They're entitled to their constantly inflating bags of money and gripping control."
Or, to simplify, "If your close your eyes, it all goes away. Try it. Here, to help, I'm gonna tell you something that everyone already knows to throw you off the scent - Utopia doesn't exist. There, now close your eyes."
Therefore nobody should be allowed to be successful...? Or if I am successful, I should not be allowed to let me kids benefit from that...?
Death Dealer said:
Their frustration is misdirected. There is nothing wrong with Wall Street asking for bailouts. What is wrong was the government giving it to them without restriction (or at all). Their anger is misdirected, but the problem is not that OWS is against handouts, it's just that they want the handouts for themselves.
I don't think they are only angry at corporations. You may be missing the point a bit.
empty vessel
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I'm sorry, what hard work is that again?
AzureNightmare
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I like to imagine Adam Carolla as that chimpanzee in the zoo display slinging his own shit at people to get their attention. He's not quite sure why he wants their attention, he just knows that he has to have it and will do just about anything to get it.
I don't see them protesting outside Congress, yet it is Congress who enabled Wall Street on every level and continues to do so without enforcement of oversight. It's like some kid going down your street cutting lawns for free and he skips over yours - then you're mad at your neighbors because your grass didn't get cut.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
So they now have to protest outside every organisation they are angry at?
empty vessel
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So it's luck? You are defending an economic system in which luck defines success?
Also, it is important to note that Adam Corolla is not a capitalist success. He made money by performing and celebrity, which is a special kind of labor in capitalism. It is not a business itself, although people who make a lot of money through celebrity--and athletes are included here--frequently use the money they make to create business enterprises, but those businesses come along only after financial security has already been obtained by celebrity.
This model of "success" only works for actors, athletes, comedians, etc. In short, entertainers.
The ignorance of positing this as some kind of valid point blows my mind.
The Big Rig
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Dude, that radio show helped me get through my formative years. Don't hate.
As much as I love Adam, he has become more senile over the years.
empty vessel
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Somebody claimed he made money by hard work. Does he? Did he ever? It's one thing to claim that somebody is entitled to what they have through our long-established traditions of property. It's another to use adjectives to describe the means by which that property was obtained when those adjectives aren't remotely accurate. Hard work.
Hard work.
Hard work.
Where?
dave is ok
aztek is ok
The point was that maybe he isn't the best person to talk about the plight of the unemployed OWS protester. Not everyone has such ridiculously easy avenues to financial security.
Why is the word "entitled" only used to describe poor people anyway? Why can't CEOs and hedge fund managers be called "entitled"? They are the ones fighting tooth and nail to keep their bonuses and 15% tax rates in spite of the severe economic hardship the country is facing.
Carolla used to be a carpenter, ditch digger, boxer before he finally got a break in his late 20's. His 'break' of course was patiently waiting around the local radio station to do bits once in a full moon for very little money. He was able to parlay that into a spot on Loveline and then onto other things.
Looking at where someone ends up (today) and assuming they got there by luck or chance is the epitome of self-entitled, envious douchebaggery he rails about.
You're railing about someone that is getting paid a pittance of what that show grosses in a season. That show generates millions of dollars in ad revenue and he is only getting a small fraction of it. They are cashing in on his fame and his work, yet you are decrying his small amount of that pile of cash. That's why you are ignorant.
The show is able to generate that much cash because so many people watch it. So, you should actually be mad at the consumers who watch the show. Not the guy who made the small fraction of money that was generated from the product.
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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Bringing up a silly discussion about luck (hence the darts) will get you a silly conclusion.
So we can't get absolute equality in opportunity, but this country was built on the American dream. Our whole philosophy used to be that if you worked hard you could make it for yourself and get to the top of the ladder. All you had to do was try and work hard. Now America has slipped in this metric. I've seen quite a few studies saying we have worse upward mobility than most of Europe and quite a few other countries. And that's ok to you because, hey life's not fair? This country almost built on that principle, so I think we owe it to ourselves to at least try.
But, no, absolute equality in upward mobility is impossible, so let's just continue to let this slip downwards.
This is absolutely correct, and it's mind boggling to me that you can call people who are literally sacrificing days of their time and tons of effort lazy. Someone who's willing to go camp out and march around with signs isn't a lazy person. A lazy person would sit at home and mope and complain about not having a job. An unlazy person gathers people and does something about the systemic problems against an entire generation.
Mr. B Natural
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When are they ever "fighting for" the pay raises. They just give it to themselves. They're entitled to it. We have to fight them to make it not happen.
The point is, working hard until your early 30's is not really working that hard compared to people who work hard their whole life and don't make it. Also, 100 other people could follow his exact route and not get his success. It is luck, genetics, upbringing, and all sorts of other shit out of your control.
Hot Coldman
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I think Carolla's arguments could be a hell of a lot worse (I'm pretty much a fence-sitter with all this shit FYI) but these kinds of posts don't do anyone any favours.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
In February 2009, when Obama tried to put a cap on salary of $500,000 for top executives at companies that received large amounts of bailout money - and they cried like little girls who just had their dolly taken away.
The Big Rig
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The dude was a poor carpenter for years, and after years of doing improv for free, he became successful. Read Wikipedia before you state something like that. Talent and years of hard work brought success.
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To be fair, I'd cry too.
teruterubozu
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So it is a generational thing? See, I think this is where people get confused about OWS....
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