Adam Carolla Rails Against Occupy Members: "....Self-Entitled Monsters’"

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Dead Man said:
The point is, working hard until your early 30's is not really working that hard compared to people who work hard their whole life and don't make it. Also, 100 other people could follow his exact route and not get his success.
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You don't know what the point is, because you weren't in the discussion.

It is luck, genetics, upbringing, and all sorts of other shit out of your control.
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This is the mantra of self-defeated.
 
I agree with the sentiment, maybe not his hyperbole. It's the logical extension of our (their?) parents' generation, which was the most self-entitled generation, but now our's is just taking it to an even more monstrous level.
 
dave is ok said:
In February 2009, when Obama tried to put a cap on salary of $500,000 for top executives at companies that received large amounts of bailout money - and they cried like little girls who just had their dolly taken away.
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True, but I guess I don't consider that my definition fighting tooth and nail, but I think I know what you're saying now.
 
The Big Rig said:
The dude was a poor carpenter for years, and after years of doing improv for free, he became successful. Read Wikipedia before you state something like that. Talent and years of hard work brought success.
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So if he was a carpenter for years, probably worked his ass off for little money, then why does he have the position he has right now? Where the hell is his sense of reality?

He's eating out of the same hole he's spewing shit out of.
 
The Big Rig said:
The dude was a poor carpenter for years, and after years of doing improv for free, he became successful. Read Wikipedia before you state something like that. Talent and years of hard work brought success.
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OWS is filled with poor carpenters, some might even be more talented than Adam Carolla.

Years of hard work until he was 28 and started riding the coattails of various radio hosts Dr. Drew and whoever else isn't quite the same as being a laborer your entire life.
 
ToxicAdam said:
Carolla used to be a carpenter, ditch digger, boxer before he finally got a break in his late 20's. His 'break' of course was patiently waiting around the local radio station to do bits once in a full moon for very little money. He was able to parlay that into a spot on Loveline and then onto other things.

Looking at where someone ends up (today) and assuming they got there by luck or chance is the epitome of self-entitled, envious douchebaggery he rails about.
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There are plenty of rich people like Carolla here who did the right thing, worked hard and got their opportunity. I would never say he didn't work hard to get there.

But there are plenty of people who work hard all their lives just as much if not more and don't get anywhere. And there are plenty of people who could try the exact same method as Carolla and not get there.

Like it or not the system is based on at least a bit on luck. I worked my own ass off to get where I am, and while it isn't really that far up, I know it's further up the ladder than millions of other people who are living in poverty. But the thing is despite that work I cannot ever forget that it was a bit of luck that got me where I am. So many things could have happened or not happened to put me in their place, or even just to have me not be as successful. To be successful you need to work hard and walk a tightrope of luck if you get the chance. All people are asking is that this tightrope get reinforced a little, and maybe have a safety net at the bottom.

I personally think it's a bit of a self-entitlement problem to look down from the top and not acknowledge all the wonder and the miracle that brought you there. To think you only did it on your own blood, sweat and tears, and people who aren't there next to you just haven't done enough is just asinine. Sure, you deserve it. Sure maybe you're entitled to it. But don't try to say there aren't millions out there who also deserve it, and who also would have every right to say they're also entitled to it, too.
 
ToxicAdam said:
Carolla used to be a carpenter, ditch digger, boxer before he finally got a break in his late 20's. His 'break' of course was patiently waiting around the local radio station to do bits once in a full moon for very little money. He was able to parlay that into a spot on Loveline and then onto other things.

Looking at where someone ends up (today) and assuming they got there by luck or chance is the epitome of self-entitled, envious douchebaggery he rails about.
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I didn't claim that, somebody else did. Of course, I disagree with you (and, by extension, the egotistical douche bag Corolla) that luck did not play a large role in his "success," even if he had to make the effort to wait. But waiting around somewhere isn't exactly hard work, is it? Do you expect me to believe that?

Also, he no doubt did work hard at his carpentry, ditch digger, and boxing jobs, but that isn't exactly what he became financially "successful" with, is it? Isn't more accurate to say that he made his money by abandoning hard work?

I'm just trying to get people to describe things accurately. Don't tell me somebody became successful through hard work when it isn't true.
 
Funny how the sentiment has turned. First it was 'oh he has never worked a hard day in his life," into " Oh, he's so far removed from hard work he doesn't know what it's like".

Fucking phonies.
 
I'm not sure those of you who are upset about Adam Carolla's personal career route are getting the point.
 
Mr. B Natural said:
So if he was a carpenter for years, probably worked his ass off for little money, then why does he have the position he has right now? Where the hell is his sense of reality?

He's eating out of the same hole he's spewing shit out of.
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Why should he have felt entitled when he was poor? There are some that understand the corrupt system while trying to do well, and those that just want to fight the system. I think Adam understands reality, and the reality that not much will ever change.
 
RDreamer said:
There are plenty of rich people like Carolla here who did the right thing, worked hard and got their opportunity. I would never say he didn't work hard to get there.

But there are plenty of people who work hard all their lives just as much if not more and don't get anywhere. And there are plenty of people who could try the exact same method as Carolla and not get there.

Like it or not the system is based on at least a bit on luck. I worked my own ass off to get where I am, and while it isn't really that far up, I know it's further up the ladder than millions of other people who are living in poverty. But the thing is despite that work I cannot ever forget that it was a bit of luck that got me where I am. So many things could have happened or not happened to put me in their place, or even just to have me not be as successful. To be successful you need to work hard and walk a tightrope of luck if you get the chance. All people are asking is that this tightrope get reinforced a little, and maybe have a safety net at the bottom.

I personally think it's a bit of a self-entitlement problem to look down from the top and not acknowledge all the wonder and the miracle that brought you there. To think you only did it on your own blood, sweat and tears, and people who aren't there next to you just haven't done enough is just asinine. Sure, you deserve it. Sure maybe you're entitled to it. But don't try to say there aren't millions out there who also deserve it, and who also would have every right to say they're also entitled to it, too.
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I don't disagree. But the thing is...what does it have to do with the protests?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The protesters aren't protesting to be millionaires or for more money or recognition at all. Nobody is trying to rule the world, they want a certain wealth of the nation to STOP ruling the world and stop being entitled.
And that's what makes this so irritating. Not only is Adam wrong on many levels, but he can't even keep on target with his subject matter.
 
the only self-entitled monsters are the rich

Mr. B Natural said:
I don't disagree. But the thing is...what does it have to do with the protests?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The protesters aren't protesting to be millionaires or for more money or recognition at all. Nobody is trying to rule the world, they want a certain wealth of the nation to STOP ruling the world and stop being entitled.
And that's what makes this so irritating. Not only is Adam wrong on many levels, but he can't even keep on target with his subject matter.
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totally agree man
 
empty vessel said:
I'm sorry, what hard work is that again?
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I'm almost ashamed to admit it now, but I'm pretty well versed in the life story of Carolla, and he really did work his ass off for 10+ years after highschool before getting his radio gig, and beyond. He really does come off as having a good work ethic. He also comes off as somewhat detached from reality and not very aware of how the world works. I think sitting next to a really smart person and helping him dish out advice to people every day for ten years gave him a bit too much confidence in his uninformed opinions.
 
Adam hosted the Man Show, which was a breeding ground for idiots

but at face value, the show was hilarious. Adam is a funny guy and I love him. But he is waaaayyyyyy off all the time when it comes to politics.
 
ToxicAdam said:
Funny how the sentiment has turned. First it was 'oh he has never worked a hard day in his life," into " Oh, he's so far removed from hard work he doesn't know what it's like".

Fucking phonies.
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dave is ok said:
Find where anyone said this.
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Spokeys said:
Sure, blame me for not being ambitious and hardworking enough that I'm not even able to afford that. But this guy hasn't had to worry about that shit for awhile
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There you go.
 
Mr. B Natural said:
I don't disagree. But the thing is...what does it have to do with the protests?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The protesters aren't protesting to be millionaires or for more money or recognition at all. Nobody is trying to rule the world, they want a certain wealth of the nation to STOP ruling the world and stop being entitled.
And that's what makes this so irritating. Not only is Adam wrong on many levels, but he can't even keep on target with his subject matter.
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This isn't how it comes off.

I have read the Occupiers demands and to me it comes off like they just want handouts and are justifying this by saying that Wall Street got massive handouts (which they did and was handled terribly). If they would have just stuck with the stop Wall Street greed mantra they would be taken much more seriously as I think the vast majority of Americans are outraged by the bailouts and their aftermath. However, they have taken it too far and now with all the demands that are making they seem almost as greedy and self entitled as the people they are protesting.
 
empty vessel said:
I didn't claim that, somebody else did. Of course, I disagree with you (and, by extension, the egotistical douche bag Corolla) that luck did not play a large role in his "success," even if he had to make the effort to wait. But waiting around somewhere isn't exactly hard work, is it? Do you expect me to believe that?

Also, he no doubt did work hard at his carpentry, ditch digger, and boxing jobs, but that isn't exactly what he became financially "successful" with, is it? Isn't more accurate to say that he made his money by abandoning hard work?

I'm just trying to get people to describe things accurately. Don't tell me somebody became successful through hard work when it isn't true.
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Corolla argues that after long shifts, he went home and trained another skillset. His argument is that to move into dream jobs you need to sacrifice personal time and work for free. I wish our would-be game designers, programmers, artists, and everyone else thought this way. Also, I know a few amateur comedians, and I assure you success takes a lot of hard work. He wasn't just waiting around for those radio spots, Corolla spent the time between spots prepping and making himself funny.

For what it's worth, I agree with the majority of sentiments from OWS, but also think it's a terrible, self-defeating movement. I was turned off by the name alone. Occupy denotes some sort of aggressive, forceful control, but what we need is an intellectual movement on the left that encourages the youth to read text books, study economics and public policy, and try to change minds - not just hearts. A leaderless movement that prominently features drum circles is not one I want to be a part of. Too many occupiers are less about message and more about feeling. When a movement becomes as much about being in a location as making a difference, well, fuck that.
 
Sky Chief said:
This isn't how it comes off.

I have read the Occupiers demands and to me it comes off like they just want handouts and are justifying this by saying that Wall Street got massive handouts (which they did and was handled terribly). If they would have just stuck with the stop Wall Street greed mantra they would be taken much more seriously as I think the vast majority of Americans are outraged by the bailouts and their aftermath. However, they have taken it too far and now with all the demands that are making they seem almost as greedy and self entitled as the people they are protesting.
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You took a lot of words to not say anything. What demands? What handouts? You're just saying words right now. Say something that relates in a concrete way to the world.
 
bluerei said:
They chose based on who would be best for the job, not by throwing a dart at a wall full of all the candidate's pictures. It's not luck, but actions and work by candidates that influence the employer's choice to hire that person.
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and this is exactly the arrogance I speak of. "They picked the best for the job and that was me. The best! ME!"

honestly, it's like it never occured that there were other just as, if not possibly more, qualified people that were glossed over.
 
empty vessel said:
Also, he no doubt did work hard at his carpentry, ditch digger, and boxing jobs, but that isn't exactly what he became financially "successful" with, is it? Isn't more accurate to say that he made his money by abandoning hard work?
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I dont know anything about this mans comedy or his career, but i do know some people in the stand up comedy business and i've gathered that it's actually really hard work.

But i also know that talent and hard work alone is not enough to break through, you need insane amounts of luck added to that.

Just sayin' - Corolla got lucky, and he has plenty of colleagues who never made it despite having worked just as hard as he did, and they might even have had more talent. They just never got lucky.
 
Telosfortelos said:
Corolla argues that after long shifts, he went home and trained another skillset. His argument is that to move into dream jobs you need to sacrifice personal time and work for free.
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This is absolutely true. You must sacrifice personal time and work if you have something you believe in and want to be. Whether it is studying when you don't want to, working a job you hate that will keep you afloat while you pursue your dreams, hard work is key. And some people may never have it pan out. Maybe they're not meant for the job they want so badly. Maybe they can't handle it. But some do, and some bust ass for it.
 
Telosfortelos said:
For what it's worth, I agree with the majority of sentiments from OWS, but also think it's a terrible, self-defeating movement. I was turned off by the name alone. Occupy denotes some sort of aggressive, forceful control, but what we need is an intellectual movement on the left that encourages the youth to read text books, study economics and public policy, and try to change minds - not just hearts. A leaderless movement that prominently features drum circles is not one I want to be a part of. Too many occupiers are less about message and more about feeling. When a movement becomes as much about being in a location as making a difference, well, fuck that.
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I could not agree more. Another problem with an "occupying" movement is that people who have serious responsibilities and goals in life cannot just drop everything and live in a park. For this reason, all occupiers are almost immediately mentally associated as losers and freeloaders looking for handouts by everyone who goes out and busts their butts every day. The point could have been made much more effectively if the people making it did not spend weeks on end living in squalor in public parks.
 
Azih said:
I've lived in societies where if you're born on a trash heap then you grow up and die in the trash heap working your whole life as a trash collector for less than pennies.
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Shh! Let TA blame the victim. Makes him feel better.
 
Sky Chief said:
I could not agree more. Another problem with an "occupying" movement is that people who have serious responsibilities and goals in life cannot just drop everything and live in a park. For this reason, all occupiers are almost immediately mentally associated as losers and freeloaders looking for handouts by everyone who goes out and busts their butts every day. The point could have been made much more effectively if the people making it did not spend weeks on end living in squalor in public parks.
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Your post and the one you quoted are the two best responses in this thread. That is exactly my problem with the movement, even though I agree with the "cause."
 
Self-entitled? Without a doubt. Monsters? That's a bit much. Then again, Carolla isn't a creature of subtlety.

His rant is as fruitless as the OWS protests he's railing against. Way to go.
 
teruterubozu said:
What a supremely misguided comparison.
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Oh come on, you know why I'm saying this.

People are treating them like shit, as if they were some bastards trying to create trouble when they are just doing what everyone should be doing: pointing the finger at how fucked up the system is.

Someone has to do it, unless you think everybody should be ok with the current situation and the average Joe rescuing those poor poor millionaires and their banks while everyone is getting fired or evicted (among other things).
 
wonderkins said:
All this talk of hard work... brb, gonna rub one out.
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Aizu_Itsuko said:
Oh come on, you know why I'm saying this.

People are treating them like shit, as if they were some bastards trying to create trouble when they are just doing what everyone should be doing: pointing the finger at how fucked up the system is.

Someone has to do it, unless you think everybody should be ok with the current situation and the average Joe rescuing those poor poor millionaires and their banks while everyone is getting fired or evicted (among other things).
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People in Vietnam were drafted.
Please. I dare you to go up to any Vietnam vet and make the same comparison.
 
Sky Chief said:
I could not agree more. Another problem with an "occupying" movement is that people who have serious responsibilities and goals in life cannot just drop everything and live in a park. For this reason, all occupiers are almost immediately mentally associated as losers and freeloaders looking for handouts by everyone who goes out and busts their butts every day. The point could have been made much more effectively if the people making it did not spend weeks on end living in squalor in public parks.
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It really is a shame. OWS has succeeded in pulling in some media attention and what do they do with it? Largely nothing. There are a lot of things wrong that need addressing and that I feel OWS could help instigate if they were organized. Instead their insistence on being everything to everyone has made them a joke. What a waste of potential.
 
AstroLad said:
Adam Carolla's political rants are so unbearable. Reason I bailed on his podcast. And I enjoy most of his pop-culture rants. But when it comes to political rants he's like a half-wit Dennis Miller.
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No kidding. I don't even bother to listen anymore unless the guest is someone I'm interested in. I bought his book awhile ago and stopped reading it about a third of the way through. He's a funny guy and I enjoy some non-PC humor but your "half wit Dennis Miller" characterization is spot on.
 
I expected to disagree with Carolla here but I find myself agreeing after reading this thread. I'm really annoyed with all the focus on luck. Dudes like him get where they are by creating their own luck. Can't just sit back and expect breaks. You have to put yourself in the right places enough times so the odds go in your favor. Anyon arguing against that seems to be acting out the self entitled stereotype that Adam is complaining about
 
empty vessel said:
You took a lot of words to not say anything. What demands? What handouts?
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This is what I would have responded with and would love an answer from anyone.

And it's totally false to believe all these protesters have no responsibilities. Unless they're homeless, they're still sacrificing their lifestyle and life to fight for a cause they believe in.


Sacrifice...yet another exact opposite of "entitled."
Future said:
"I expected to disagree with Carolla here but I find myself agreeing after reading this thread. I'm really annoyed with all the focus on luck. Dudes like him get where they are by creating their own luck. Can't just sit back and expect breaks. You have to put yourself in the right places enough times so the odds go in your favor. Anyon arguing against that seems to be acting out the self entitled stereotype that Adam is complaining about "
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What does any of this have anything to do with the protests? Aren't the protests an effort to do EXACTLY what I bolded?
 
So, an individual creates their own luck... They just have to be lucky enough that the odds of their luck are favorably lucky.

ok.
 
wonderkins said:
So, an individual creates their own luck... They just have to be lucky enough that the odds of their luck are favorably lucky.

ok.
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A large part of luck is identifying and taking advantage of the opportunities that are presented to you. It takes some growing up before you realize this equation.
 
Who cares about Adam's personal life or career. Judge him on the merits of his specific outbursts and it doesn't take long to realise he's ignorant and horribly misinformed.
 
Sky Chief said:
I could not agree more. Another problem with an "occupying" movement is that people who have serious responsibilities and goals in life cannot just drop everything and live in a park. For this reason, all occupiers are almost immediately mentally associated as losers and freeloaders looking for handouts by everyone who goes out and busts their butts every day. The point could have been made much more effectively if the people making it did not spend weeks on end living in squalor in public parks.
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I've talked to people who think the movement is filled with Hippies. When I tell them a fair amount of protesters have full time jobs they don't believe me. How could someone carry a full time job and occupy? I have to be honest. I tend to believe the stat and still wonder how it's possible.

I would like to see the movement morph into something more grounded. I believe in the message, but think the methods will only hurt the movement in the long run.

I could be wrong though. Who knows.
 
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