Hold on.
Did you actually play the "entitlement" card over a game breaking bug that makes Skyrim basically unplayable after a while?
Fucking really?
Digital Foundry VS Bethesda: PS3 Skyrim is still shit
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Hold on.
Did you actually play the "entitlement" card over a game breaking bug that makes Skyrim basically unplayable after a while?
Fucking really?
Stop it, an unplayable game is different than a game with garbled voices, or a bad port. So no, there isn't "a stupid sense of entitlement." Instead there's a sense of, "I want what the fuck I paid $60 for." You can't compare this to a time when a system cost $160
Treemonkeys
Member
What a freakin joke, undo the damage they caused post release...that's it, time for a break?
Oh and Oblivion PS3 definitely had the same problem, so did Fallout 3, and Fallout: Vegas. The thing is you generally had to have DLC to make it happen but Skyrim is so much bigger DLC isn't required to make it break down. I can't imagine the poor PS3 owners who will actually buy DLC for this game.
Yeah that is the layman's perspective - but take everything into account: performance problems going back to Oblivion PS3, what was said by the Fallout: Vegas dev, what was said about them withholding review copies of the PS3 version, a patch that simply delays but doesn't fix the problem...
It all adds up to Bethesda releasing a product that they damn well knew was going to have these issues. Unless they somehow release some amazing fix for this (Which they never did for Oblivion, FO3, or FO:V), they deserve all hell for this. A complete refund or exchange for all PS3 owners of the game would be totally fair, but some kind of lawsuit is probably going to have to happen.
Stoffinator
Member
So until you fix them, can I have my money back? Don't be selective on what you answer. We are all paying customers here. I didn't buy a game to have a "it will be fixed later". I am not being paid to be a beta tester, sorry.
SolidSnakex
Member
I've got to imagine that some lawsuit is coming. Especially since we know that the next patch isn't coming out until next year. People getting this on the PS3 for Christmas are going to be in for a nasty surprise.
I do not mean to sound disrespctful when I say the following:
The bolded statement is, quite honestly, completely untrue (EDIT: from a consumer standpoint. I don't see any engine improvement from F3 to NV to Skyrim. Same problems are shared between the three). Fallout 3 GOTY is unplayable a certain amount into the game. New Vegas has random lock ups and constant frame rate issues. Skyrim, well, let's not even get into that. (there may have been engine optimizations, but all games become unplayable at some point. My GOTY F3 is garbage due to the issues. Skyrim is fast approaching that point)
I work in customer care, supervising actually. I do have to instruct my people to pawn an issue off for a while where there's a problem I have to fix. Delaying things happens. Telling customers you're working on it happens. However, I never EVER would tell them to say that an issue was resolved when it, honestly, was not. That's not good customer service and it's not good business. How anybody can say that Bethesda has resolved their engine's issues on the PS3 is, seriously, shocking and confusing. Seriously, play any of the above games longer than 50 hours. They'll break.
I'm so happy that I purchased these games on the cheep because your company released a broken product. I'm not blaming you, you're just a company guy, but trust me. This isn't a case of "we didn't know" anymore. Fallout 3 was bugged, NV was bugged, and Skyrim is just terrible. I can, quite honestly, say that if this isn't resolved appropriately I will do everything I can to throw a fit about this issue. Bethesda sold me an item that doesn't work. At this point, knowingly. Unacceptable.
CrocMother
Banned
How about a ban bet?
If the issues aren't fixed, Nick Breckon is banned.
If they are, I will buy the next Bethesda game.
In all seriousness, my main issue here is that they had to have seen these problems in testing, they just had to. And they released it anyway.
Patching 1-2 months after release just ain't gonna cut it. Bethesda needs to get on their knees and beg their customers for forgiveness.
If the issues aren't fixed, Nick Breckon is banned.
If they are, I will buy the next Bethesda game.
In all seriousness, my main issue here is that they had to have seen these problems in testing, they just had to. And they released it anyway.
Patching 1-2 months after release just ain't gonna cut it. Bethesda needs to get on their knees and beg their customers for forgiveness.
jim-jam bongs
Member
I also have a penis which is several metres long.
Truespeed
Member
Truespeed
Member
To paraphrase, the PS3 is specially challenged and since we were too busy testing the other platforms we decided to have our fans do a public beta test. Thanks for all of your feedback and especially for buying the beta. We look forward to fixing all of the bugs you've reported. Check back for the official re-release and relaunch of the PS3 version soon.
Oh, and one more thing - you're not getting any DLC either.
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In which mythical universe is it fixed? It sure as shit isn't fixed in this one.
Wouldn't the dlc just bring it back to 0-8 fps again?
AgentOtaku
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CadetMahoney
Member
Im glad I held off buying the game until I finished Dark Souls. Asking for a product that works when you buy it is far from a sense of entitlement. Any sane person would be upset if they buy something and it doesnt work as advertised, no matter the product.
I find it hard to believe Bethesda did not test the game and was unaware of the problems. I know they wanted to release the game on the same date for all platforms, but they did more damage releasing a buggy product, than if they delayed the PS3 version until they fixed the bugs. Guess I will hold off until they fix the bugs and the price drops a lot.
I find it hard to believe Bethesda did not test the game and was unaware of the problems. I know they wanted to release the game on the same date for all platforms, but they did more damage releasing a buggy product, than if they delayed the PS3 version until they fixed the bugs. Guess I will hold off until they fix the bugs and the price drops a lot.
Stoffinator
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lol these will never be fixed. They've pretty much been the same in all of their games. So we may go from 0fps to 8fps and they will consider that "fixed".
Yeah, I was trying to be sarcastic. Also the guy is even lying in his first sentence. The PS3 does not have "less system ram". It does not have unified ram, which by the way is common.
Yeah, I agree. Pretty much said the same thing a few pages ago.
MMaRsu
Banned
This..so much
They won't answer.
I still want to try..
thanks..! nice ears..
tell us what will help then..?
Actually it does. Sony's firmware has a larger memory footprint than the 360 -> less available memory for games.
On topic, can you take the game back to the retailer for a refund as it's a broken product in the US?
It's what I would do in this situation.
I dunno, but personal attacks sure wont.
Castor Krieg
Banned
They will tell you to directly contact Bethesda's Customer Support.
More like
Who the hell are Bethista?
I kept experiencing system lock ups while playing, then I tried playing while not signed into PSN, and the lockups have all buy stopped happening.
sadly this doesn't do anything to stop the frame-rate issues, or even delay them any longer.
In fact, they're getting worse again. Right after the patch, I could go 2-3 hours before the issues kicked in. Now it's around an hour. My save file size is 13MB.
I did a civil war quest yesterday, the one where
and the frame-rate went to absolute shit. I've only been playing 10 minutes at the time, and after that battle the game was a slideshow until I restarted.
So it seems it doesn't matter how long I've been playing, if I hit an area with lots of action going on, it's going to kill my frame-rate until I restart.
I'll have to put up with this until January at the earliest? Guess I'll have to shelve the game for now, or perhaps trade it in. Luckily Futureshop is offering $50 trade for it.
sadly this doesn't do anything to stop the frame-rate issues, or even delay them any longer.
In fact, they're getting worse again. Right after the patch, I could go 2-3 hours before the issues kicked in. Now it's around an hour. My save file size is 13MB.
I did a civil war quest yesterday, the one where
you have to take that fort from the Stormcloaks
So it seems it doesn't matter how long I've been playing, if I hit an area with lots of action going on, it's going to kill my frame-rate until I restart.
I'll have to put up with this until January at the earliest? Guess I'll have to shelve the game for now, or perhaps trade it in. Luckily Futureshop is offering $50 trade for it.
I'm not waiting around. The experience has been soured to the point I just don't even want to bother. By there own admission it will be at least a month or more before a patch may or may not even address the real problem. I've bought some 70 plus games this gen and this will be the first that I sell off. Shame really, because I know there's a great game under all the rest of that mess. Get out now guys, they will not fix it...because they can not fix it.
Stardock used to have a policy of giving refunds for their games. And that policy was regularly put to the test when they released two broken games. Not sure if they still do it since after those two broken games I stopped caring about Stardock, but at least they had the decency to refund me for those broken games. If only they could refund my time.
You *are* actually entitled to a product that behaves as advertised, you know. That's sort of the whole basis of commerce.
Didn't someone (Dragona, perhaps?) successfully negotiate a refund from Nintendo on purchasing a DS title which was unplayable by left-handed people?
MMaRsu
Banned
I think some free dlc is a given at this point with how big they fucked us over so far.
It's not an anagram.
Not a chance. I'm still waiting for the timed 360 exclusive DLC announcement. It's coming.
That was announced before release. 360 gets it one month in advance.
Ah I must have missed that. It's as expected then.
That's cute that you think that, but it's WRONG. Oblivion with Guns 3 non-GotY froze during PSN notifications of course that wasn't game-breaking. But it was annoying. However: the game would freeze after a huge file size just like OwG3:GOTY and OwG3:NV do and did with-without the DLC installed.
Out of Working Order
Member
I've bought the Xbox version off eBay. I really don't want to risk continuing with my PS3 Skyrim save game.
Zelda's kept me away from Skyrim, thank God, so I've put only a few hours into the game so far. I'll probably sell the PS3 version on eBay.
Zelda's kept me away from Skyrim, thank God, so I've put only a few hours into the game so far. I'll probably sell the PS3 version on eBay.
RedNumberFive
Banned
Don't you know? Using "entitlement" is GAF's go-to buzzword this year. Just how "hyperbole" was last year's winner. Both are generally used to make poorly constructed arguements sound more intelligent.
Bingo.