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Starting with the upsides first, Skyrim on Switch 2 looks superb in purely visual terms with its cranked-up settings and use of Nvidia's DLSS to resolve a 4K image, using a 1440p base. The issues begin once the controller is in hand though, where input latency issues cause controls to lag significantly - much more so than the Switch 1 version. Tom investigates the issue from every angle, alongside a look at loading time improvements.

00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:46 Input Latency Tested
00:05:25 Switch 2 Frame-Rate Test
00:06:40 Switch 1 vs Switch 2 Comparison
00:10:17 PS5 vs Switch 2 Comparison
00:12:00 Verdict

 

[Zacfoldor]

What is the latency on this vs RDR2 on PS4.

Because this sounds exactly like RDR2 on PS4.

Good IQ, 30fps, input latency as a way of life.

 

[adamsapple]

- "Handsome rendition of the classic"
- But has a massive unique issue in terms of adding input latency
- Free upgrade for Switch 1 Anniversary Edition owners

- 293.8ms registered for registering jump input. Leads to controls feeling ridiculously floaty
- Results are worse than most cloud streaming services DF have tested
- For comparison: Switch 1 204.5ms and PS5 is 118.3ms input latency

- Analog movement is 60ms on PS5, 151ms on Switch 1 and 237ms on Switch 2
- The latency issue has been acknowledged and being worked on
- Temporary official workaround is to use the gesture control but that doesn't really do much to remedy this.

- Switch 2 is capped at 30fps, which is disappointing for DF
- At least it's a totally stable 30 with even frame pacing
- PS5 mostly runs at 60 but can see drops to mid 50's in heavy effects, water etc, for comparison
- Priority is clearly on visual upgrades

- 1440p with DLSS provides a convincing 4K like image
- First official support of DLSS for the creation engine (on PC it only runs DLSS with fan mods)
- Grass density, draw distances, improved LoD, shadow distance and resolution, added ambient occlusion over foliage are all big improvements over Switch 1
- Textures like fabrics are still the same quality though
- Switch 1 uses cube maps for reflections, Switch 2 uses SSR
- Switch 2 has some visual issues like bad SSR cut-off and some blue hue over trees in some regions

- Portable is mostly the same as docked but runs at 1080p with DLSS

- Visually, Switch 2 is 'practically identical' to PS5, it's 'seriously impressive stuff'
- Sheer quality of DLSS makes the native 4K pixel count on the PS5 a 'moot point'
- Alternative SSR preset and AO coverage are the main noted visual differences
- Load times are 4 seconds vs 8 seconds between PS5 and Switch 2
- Switch 1 takes around 40 seconds to load the same areas, so it's a massive win over that.

- 53GB install size vs 28GB on Switch 1.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

Legit needs to get delisted from the Switch store, I'M NOT JOKING!

 

[Skifi28]

What is the latency on this vs RDR2 on PS4.

Because this sounds exactly like RDR2 on PS4.

Good IQ, 30fps, input latency as a way of life.

RDR2's latency mostly had to do with animation, not actual input delay. Turning the camera felt fine there.

 

[Gaiff]

What is the latency on this vs RDR2 on PS4.

Because this sounds exactly like RDR2 on PS4.

Good IQ, 30fps, input latency as a way of life.

Skyrim at 30fps at the dawn of 2026 lol?

 

[Kacho]

30fps these days is a nonstarter.

 

[kevboard]

insane input lag, and then they ruined the visuals by adding SSR as well?

just an insane downgrade

 

[winjer]

Todd just keeps on delivering....

 

[Cyberpunkd]

- Visually, Switch 2 is 'practically identical' to PS5, it's 'seriously impressive stuff'

DF, never change with your shit takes. How is this impressive when the base game is 15 years old?

 

[Banjo64]

Jus picked up the anniversary upgrade for 50% off but not 'upgrading' to this edition until (if) a patch comes out addressing the input lag.

 

[Bojji]

30fps and with insane input lag. Bravo Todd:

 

[adamsapple]

DF, never change with your shit takes. How is this impressive when the base game is 15 years old?

Sure, but they're comparing with the visually enhanced remaster, not the original PS3/360 release.

 

[Senua]

Sure, but they're comparing with the visually enhanced remaster, not the original PS3/360 release.

It's not impressive on PS5 either

 

[DeepEnigma]

PS5-Level Visuals, on a PS3 Game.

FTFT

Sure, but they're comparing with the visually enhanced remaster, not the original PS3/360 release.

So a "special edition" PS4 game (2016) in a PS5 wrapper.

Gotta get that SEO algo tick-box in there mentioning the PS5.

 

[roosnam1980]

cant they use nvidia reflex to reduce latency

 

[mckmas8808]

FTFT


So a "special edition" PS4 game (2016) in a PS5 wrapper.

Gotta get that SEO algo tick-box in there mentioning the PS5.

Yeah.........they got me to click due to that Algo trick.

 

[adamsapple]

It's not impressive on PS5 either

I mean I guess that's somewhat subjective.

I still like roaming around the world every now and then, it still feels visually charming to me and some of the environments look great even by today's standards.

The non-modded character models tho ..

 

[Arsic]

Honestly for 60fps I would've bought in. 1080p upscale? No brainer.

 

[Senua]

I mean I guess that's somewhat subjective.

I still like roaming around the world every now and then, it still feels visually charming to me and some of the environments look great even by today's standards.

The non-modded character models tho ..

 

[Xellos]

Glad Bethesda is updating this but it doesn't seem ready for release. I'll check it out once they get the latency and bugs sorted out.

 

[SmokSmog]

 

[adamsapple]

 

[nowhat]

Todd just keeps on delivering....

...but at the same time, people keep paying for this. And, truth be told, I'm not unguilty. I think I've bought four versions of Skyrim thus far. "It just works!" - for Todd, and Bethesda shareholders. But really, we should demand better. And yes, I'm a part of the problem.

 

[Flabagast]

PS5 level visuals ?

Man DF has become such a joke

 

[Karim]

Visually, Switch 2 is 'practically identical' to PS5, it's 'seriously impressive stuff'

Ah it's Tom I see

 

[OuterLimits]

Legit needs to get delisted from the Switch store, I'M NOT JOKING!

The original PS3 version that crashed constantly and often dipped to less than 10FPS didn't even get delisted.

 

[roosnam1980]

I mean I guess that's somewhat subjective.

I still like roaming around the world every now and then, it still feels visually charming to me and some of the environments look great even by today's standards.

The non-modded character models tho ..

 

[PeteBull]

Just to give u guys idea here quick comparision, i5 2500k and gtx 1050, north of 60fps all the time:


That cpu launched early 2011 with 216$ pricetag 4cores/4threads, gpu is weakest pascal generation (2016, 109 usd msrp, 2gigs of vram, roughly as powerful as gtx 760, 1,8tflops so around base ps4 grade, its nvidia tflops so bit above 1,8tflops amd ps4 had).

 

[Sebastian1295]

30fps for a game that came out on the 360. That's laughable and honestly insane.

 

[Horseganador]

30fps in a 2011 game is already pointless, but the 300ms response time makes it unplayable. Has nobody tested this before releasing it or what?

 

[adamsapple]

 

[roosnam1980]

looks charming.............................. for 2016