The Dark Knight Rises (Batman 3) - No Riddler

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Apocalypse Now was a huge disappointment to me. Movie really wasn't all that great at all, and the only thing that makes the movie a reference for me personally is Hearts of Darkness.
 
Regarding the cane...
Anyone think that it might be just part of Wayne's disguise? Considering the end of TDK left him in a bad place, i'm imagining he wanted to abandon the larger than life playboy persona of sleeping with random models and partying all the time. Maybe the crippled look gives more validity to the fact he couldn't be Batman? Look at the way he's hunched over and suits a bit big in this shot. Makes him look a bit meeker:

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Veidt said:
we already know TDK was some sort of distant simile to george bush and his endeavours against terrorism.
all i'm asking is for nolan to go all the way and thread farther into the conservative, american concept of heroism and include the obligatory christian message of self sacrifice.....
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I think you're joking..but I want to make a point about this anyway.

The Nolans are both well educated individuals. They were pointing more broadly to the idea of emergency powers and totalitarian control in general, rather than the Patriot Act.

I've got a degree in Political Science, and fuck knows it did very little for me, so let me just say this: there's nothing inherently liberal or conservative about emergency powers.

The same conservatives that praise Bush for the patriot act, criticize people like Trudeau for the War Measures Act, and vice versa with liberals. They're doing it wrong.

It's a complex issue that The Dark Knight explored philosophically by presenting a couple of different perspectives. It's a classical argument that goes well beyond the politics of the day and it's a major theme in literature going back all the way to Ancient Greece. The Dark Knight's not an endorsement of Bush or any other political player or policy.

I believe both Nolans have said this, and they also made note of the fact that the film presents ambiguity regarding the ethics of how those powers were used..the audience is left to make up their own mind.


Messypandas said:
Regarding the cane...
Anyone think that it might be just part of Wayne's disguise? Considering the end of TDK left him in a bad place, i'm imagining he wanted to abandon the larger than life playboy persona of sleeping with random models and partying all the time. Maybe the crippled look gives more validity to the fact he couldn't be Batman? Look at the way he's hunched over and suits a bit big in this shot. Makes him look a bit meeker:

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Interesting, but this is a film about Bane. So probably not.
 
Secret_Riddle said:
It's a complex issue that The Dark Knight explored philosophically by presenting a couple of different perspectives. It's a classical argument that goes well beyond the politics of the day and it's a major theme in literature going back all the way to Ancient Greece. The Dark Knight's not an endorsement of Bush or any other political player or policy.
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Batman was clearly a nod to Bush. You couldn't understand what he was saying half the time either.
 
Messypandas said:
Regarding the cane...
Anyone think that it might be just part of Wayne's disguise? Considering the end of TDK left him in a bad place, i'm imagining he wanted to abandon the larger than life playboy persona of sleeping with random models and partying all the time. Maybe the crippled look gives more validity to the fact he couldn't be Batman? Look at the way he's hunched over and suits a bit big in this shot. Makes him look a bit meeker:

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I could be wrong but I don't think you see him
hunched over when he's walking into that party or dancing with Selina.
 
I could also say he was a nod to Trudeau, and I have just as solid philosophical ground to stand on as you do. The film suggests that the script was inspired by Ancient Rome, but people tend to forget that and normalize it to their own context..

If the conclusion people are looking for is that Chris Nolan's a Republican, then LOL.

The voice observation is interesting though. You might be onto something.
 
King Kong is the greatest bad-good movie of all time. Sometimes I don't even know if I'm watching a bad movie, because Adrian Brody just kicked a fucking dinosaur in the face. It's PJ basically playing with all of the toys he has in his box. A totally absurd remake, but he's having so much fun I can't help but laugh with him when I'm not laughing at him.

I mean, for god's sakes, King Kong ripped open a t-rex's fucking jaw.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
King Kong is the greatest bad-good movie of all time. Sometimes I don't even know if I'm watching a bad movie, because Adrian Brody just kicked a fucking dinosaur in the face. It's PJ basically playing with all of the toys he has in his box. A totally absurd remake, but he's having so much fun I can't help but laugh with him when I'm not laughing at him.

I mean, for god's sakes, King Kong ripped open a t-rex's fucking jaw.
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That's from the original King Kong, though.
 
I thought it was an ok trailer. It doesn't really matter though, I didn't particularly like the Dark Knight trailers but still ended up loving the movie.

edit: There isn't a new thread for the new trailer?
 
Secret_Riddle said:
I think you're joking..but I want to make a point about this anyway.

The Nolans are both well educated individuals. They were pointing more broadly to the idea of emergency powers and totalitarian control in general, rather than the Patriot Act.

I've got a degree in Political Science, and fuck knows it did very little for me, so let me just say this: there's nothing inherently liberal or conservative about emergency powers.

The same conservatives that praise Bush for the patriot act, criticize people like Trudeau for the War Measures Act, and vice versa with liberals. They're doing it wrong.

It's a complex issue that The Dark Knight explored philosophically by presenting a couple of different perspectives. It's a classical argument that goes well beyond the politics of the day and it's a major theme in literature going back all the way to Ancient Greece. The Dark Knight's not an endorsement of Bush or any other political player or policy.

I believe both Nolans have said this, and they also made note of the fact that the film presents ambiguity regarding the ethics of how those powers were used..the audience is left to make up their own mind.
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I always saw TDK as just an exploration of laws, rules, and how much they actually matter in the context of Gotham City. The tagline "Welcome to a World Without Rules" strikes at the heart of it in my opinion.

The Joker's objective was to prove that laws and rules were useless lies while Batman and Gordon are trying to hold the system together, but to a certain extent the cops are already bending the system by cooperating with Batman in the first place. The Joker interrogation scene is sort of the linchpin of all that.
 
Just out of the IMAX,
I liked it but its funny that EVERYONE just talks about the muffled voice.
You spent so much money and care on a movie, have an awesome scene and people just say "what?" "what did he say?" "burn a tire?"

Still cool though and I cant wait.
 
The music when
we see the first shot of the plane flying on the side of the mountain
, fuck its so beautiful, just love that tempo. When is the OST going to release???
 
irfan said:
When is the OST going to release???
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Usually the same week as the film's release. Sometimes scores are released a bit before, and sometimes a month or two after, but with a score like this it will probably leak way in advance.

It really depends on the record label. I know that Varese is generally pretty late on releasing scores by Michael Giacchino. The Super 8 score didn't release until a month or so after the movie did.
 
Just saw the trailer. Has nothing on the 2007 TDK trailer.

I won't comment on the content, since I can't tell how it will turn out - the time jump seems fine. Shots are excellent, as expected from Pfister.

I just didn't feel all that excited. Contrary to others, I'm liking the heavily distorted Bane voice - may not be very clear but sounds menacing.
 
rekameohs said:
So the Joker DID know Bruce was Batman. I guess he didn't want 10 million dollars a year for the rest of his life.
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This was outside the canon of the film. Think it was part of the ARP event before TDK, before ledger died. Seemed like they ended the event once that happened.
 
Solo said:
Your analogy seems sound, but I think its rather important to note that PJ's entire filmography combined doesn't stand up to any single one of The Godfather I and II, The Conversation or Apocalypse Now.
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True, but FFC is also responsible for Jack and The Godfather III.
 
Did anyone in the UK get to see the trailer attached to SH2? Wasn't shown in the cinema I went to at least, I can't believe WB could be that fucking thick (hey let's NOT attach the trailer for our biggest movie next year to our major December release).
 
Panipal2009 said:
Did anyone in the UK get to see the trailer attached to SH2? Wasn't shown in the cinema I went to at least, I can't believe WB could be that fucking thick (hey let's NOT attach the trailer for our biggest movie next year to our major December release).
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I didn't get to see the trailer when I went to watch Sherlock yesterday.
 
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