Neuromancer
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I don't believe that's the case here. The book is seriously packed with stuff, every chapter is practically a seperate adventure. Squishing it down into one movie wouldn't be doing anyone a favor.
In a hole in the ground, there lived a HOBBIT TRAILER
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King of the Potato People
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HOLY! I can't think of any other trailer that made me so nostalgic and I haven't even read the book. I'm not sure about Martin Freeman as Bilbo yet but there's plenty of time for that casting to grow on me.
I watched the trailer now an unhealthy amount of times.
I watched the trailer now an unhealthy amount of times.
these thread titles are even worse than xaoslug's, lol.
The cartoon movie cut barely anything (Beorn and the Arkenstone subplot, IIRC), and was a little over an hour long.
I mean, they had to add a bunch of stuff to pad it out to two movies. Surely they could've done it in one.
I recently read through the Hobbit again, and my exact thought was there's no way this could all fit in one movie. Some of the things on your list represent weeks. And that's not counting all the journeying in between!
So, happy about two movies? Yes. But I guess I'm in the minority in that the more I've reflected on the LOTR movies, the more I think they were tainted by Peter Jackson screwing up the story. Seeing characters who weren't even in the book show up in this trailer - uhg.
Frankly, the stuff that Gandalf was up to when he left probably deserves an entire movie of its own. Trying to shoe horn it into a complete story, split into two, could be disastrous. I really hope I am wrong about this, but I simply do not trust Jackson with the material.
bengraven
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The original plan was to do the Hobbit, then make one more film that took place between the time of Hobbit and Fellowship. Basically a movie made up just of information from the appendixes.
This was long before people even know what Twilight was.
They decided to just make the Hobbit in two parts and put the appendix information into both films.
This was long before people even know what Twilight was.
They decided to just make the Hobbit in two parts and put the appendix information into both films.
TheKaeptain
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I wasn't impressed with the trailer.
Neuromancer
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Oh OK. I've never seen the cartoon so I'll take your word for it.
Yeah that stuff bothers me too. What makes the Hobbit great is the adventuring and travelling with the dwarves and of course the trouble Bilbo gets up to on his own. I couldn't care less what Gandolf does in the off time, it's better left a mystery I feel.
What? In one movie? Surely such a thing would be impossible!
Yeah, we're in agreement there. The Hobbit was very much about Bilbo's journey, not about big important events centering on wizards and elf queens and whatnot.
King of the Potato People
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PJ's time to redeem himself, about 11 months of unbearableness.
I'm still curious as to what Guillermo's vision of middle earth would have been, but this is the right one.
I'm still curious as to what Guillermo's vision of middle earth would have been, but this is the right one.
At first they wanted to make 2 movies where The Hobbit would had covered the first one and the second had acted as a 'bridge movie' between The Hobbit and LOTR.
After they played with that idea for a while they realized it's not going to work so Jackson and co. decided to split The Hobbit book in two and add a little stuff from LOTR Appendices to the mix.
eudaemonic
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They sing in the trailer!
I swear... there were some scenes in the trailer that make me think they cut Gandalf out of the Ring movies and popped him into The Hobbit. Kinda creepy how it feels like it could have been filmed at the same time.
I've always preferred Ian McKellen's original suggestion of filming the Hobbit as a television series, with one episode (44 minutes or whatever) per chapter of the book, for a total of 19 episodes. If you read The Hobbit in that light you see that the book's structure is episodic, so the episodic nature of television fits very well, and there is certainly adequate material in each chapter to fill up a TV episode.
So that's some 14 hours of material... If anything, two movies are condensing the story pretty strictly to get down to 5 or 6 hours, not even counting the Necromancer stuff. There's a quite a lot of action in the Hobbit.
So that's some 14 hours of material... If anything, two movies are condensing the story pretty strictly to get down to 5 or 6 hours, not even counting the Necromancer stuff. There's a quite a lot of action in the Hobbit.
Edmond Dantès
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Yep, publishers yearned for a sequel after the success of The Hobbit, so Tolkien ended up writing the LOTR. He would have been perfectly happy to continue on the work that he truly felt passionate about; The Lay of Leithian and the rest of The Silmarillion. If things had gone differently we could have had a five or six volume telling of the story in the Quenta Silmarillion, but in a more modern style. It could have been a complete narrative without the archaic prose used in the fragments put together by Christopher Tolkien.
Neuromancer
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Yeah I remember that, I think that would have been a great idea too. Oh well.
Edmond Dantès
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I think it's an allusion to their friendship dating back to Valinor where Olorin would have walked among the Elves and even taught them from his vast stores of wisdom. His physical raiment would have been quite different though. I do wonder what form he took in Valinor.
I give up. You guys are insane.
elrechazado
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You seem really invested in being against two movies, for no apparent reasons. Maybe you should give up?
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
The cartoon is in the OP, the whole thing has been uploaded on Youtube, just follow the links in the section about the book and enjoy a slice of 1970's animation.
Hot Coldman
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Looks pretty good. And, well, much like LOTR. Martin Freeman seems great.
Nah, it's just you.
It's unnecessary, feels like a money grab, and means the actual story of the Hobbit will be padded out with unrelated stuff.
elrechazado
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Regarding the 2 movie structure, I have faith that Jackson, Boyens and Walsh (and Del Toro too) managed to come up with a satisfying way of dividing the book in two. They spent a loooong time writing the script.
Interesting to see how much artistic liberties they took with Gandalf's adventures and how they tie it up with the main story arc. I'm not automatically against the idea of expanding some parts of the story.
Interesting to see how much artistic liberties they took with Gandalf's adventures and how they tie it up with the main story arc. I'm not automatically against the idea of expanding some parts of the story.
I disagree. I like that each dwarf has a distinctive look, not like the unimaginative Gimli clones that appear in the LOTR video games.
You seem really invested in arguing with me.
elrechazado
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ZedIndyLil
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Not feeling it.
The Hobbit movie (as opposed to the book, of course) has the problem of being a followup story with far lower stakes. To pull it off, they need a different tone, lighter, more fun than epic. But so far it feels too much like LOTR, but...less.
The Hobbit movie (as opposed to the book, of course) has the problem of being a followup story with far lower stakes. To pull it off, they need a different tone, lighter, more fun than epic. But so far it feels too much like LOTR, but...less.
This x 1000
I was really worried early on that the dwarves would be virtually carbon copies of each other, and I'm really glad they tried to give each one a distinctive look. I actually think they look way better in motion than they did from those early reveal images.
timetokill
Banned
Oh maaaaaan I can't wait for this, looks so fantastic.
Time to schedule another reread of The Hobbit
Time to schedule another reread of The Hobbit
I don't think it will play well to mainstream audiences. Sure the LOTR trilogy featured hobbits, elves and dwarves but they were popular because they were essentially war epics. This looks more small-scale and obscure (judging by the Dwarf hymn that plays over almost the entire trailer)
I believe this trailer also cements the theory that PJ went back and changed the color timing on FOTR BD to be more consistent with the look of this picture. I think the movie looks good but I question how much audiences will be interested in a movie seemingly dominated by dwarves and unknowns.
LightofRohan
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Really? REALLY? Let's put things into perspective here.
It could be bad.
Really bad.
This. Is MASTER character/costume design.
Slappers Only
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Only watched it the once last night. Wasn't particularly impressed by the trailer itself.
This morning I've watched it three times and counting (lol), and I'm a lot more excited. Perhaps my biggest problem is that the trailer mostly shows stuff referencing LoTR, whereas what I'm anticipating the most is that which belongs to The Hobbit alone.
I don't have the biggest demands, just a few core hopes:
- I want to generally be able to distinguish members of the Company by movie's end. Yes, Bilbo and Thorin should dominate, but I want the rest to be their own characters, not just The Dwarves.
- I want the "goblins" to be more developed than LoTR's average orcs.
- I want the fullest coverage of the book's events as possible, within reason (they have two movies, so this shouldn't be asking too much).
- I want these movies to stand apart from LoTR, to not rely too much on nostalgia and be their own thing.
All of these desires could totally happen, it just doesn't show it in the trailer. Of course, it's just the first trailer. And I appreciate when a movie has a lot to show, yet the trailer doesn't give it all away.
Goddamn this is going to be the worst two year wait.
This morning I've watched it three times and counting (lol), and I'm a lot more excited. Perhaps my biggest problem is that the trailer mostly shows stuff referencing LoTR, whereas what I'm anticipating the most is that which belongs to The Hobbit alone.
I don't have the biggest demands, just a few core hopes:
- I want to generally be able to distinguish members of the Company by movie's end. Yes, Bilbo and Thorin should dominate, but I want the rest to be their own characters, not just The Dwarves.
- I want the "goblins" to be more developed than LoTR's average orcs.
- I want the fullest coverage of the book's events as possible, within reason (they have two movies, so this shouldn't be asking too much).
- I want these movies to stand apart from LoTR, to not rely too much on nostalgia and be their own thing.
All of these desires could totally happen, it just doesn't show it in the trailer. Of course, it's just the first trailer. And I appreciate when a movie has a lot to show, yet the trailer doesn't give it all away.
Goddamn this is going to be the worst two year wait.
StealthGoblin
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I'm hoping for over two hours each.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
2 hours 15 or 30 for the theatrical cuts, maybe close to 3 hours for the extended editions possibly. Nothing as long as the Return of the King or even the Fellowship of the Ring.
planar1280
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wtf why did no one tell this was put out early!!!! wtf! looks amazing. I read the books twice when I was a young teen and this looks to give service to us all
StealthGoblin
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Edmond Dantès;33652929 said:
Will we get extended editions this time? We got them last time because they shot so much and had a ton of unused stuff left over. I'd imagine with a budget of $500 million that they'd want to be a lot tighter and have scenes and script well planned out.
pretty sure we ultimately got them last time because they saw an opportunity to sell the same movie twice within a year. So my guess is yes, and I'll likely buy both versions.
Always-honest
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Yummie, movie will be EEEEPIC
Yeah, I really love the coloring. I know some have complained about it, but I think it looks beautiful. Just the right mix (IMO) of looking realistic, but having a sort of "otherworldly" quality to it.
BoobPhysics101
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Wow. Dat trailer. Day 1.
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