NHL December |OT| The Team You Cheer For is Not Good Compared To Our Team
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KernelPanic
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Regin injured again (probably for the season) ? big surprise there. I knew he wasn't 100% when he couldn't take a single faceoff.
Smith is better on #3C anyway.
It is said that the Sens will be running with 7 D-Men tonight. So I have to guess that either Lee or Carkner is moving to forward. Thus my guess is that Smith stays on the 4th and Foligno assumes the vacant spot at centre.
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After reading those comments by Cunneyworth yesterday, I just think he's exactly what we don't need right now with those players.
The whole team needs a fucking whipping, not a pat in the back. I wish we had someone like Tortorella right now that would just train those lazy players until they're sweating blood.
All I want for Christmas is a new GM/Coach combination. After that, like MPW, I want the new GM to clear house and try to get decent return from our underachievers. I'm pretty sure Cammalleri still has some value for a team that absolutely wants to make a splash in the playoffs. Plekanec has great value too (not even sure I'd trade him). Gionta can help a deeper team as well. Gomez we're stuck with, but I'd buy him out.
Just start getting draft picks for this year's deep draft and youngsters, and build around the players that actually give a damn.
The whole team needs a fucking whipping, not a pat in the back. I wish we had someone like Tortorella right now that would just train those lazy players until they're sweating blood.
All I want for Christmas is a new GM/Coach combination. After that, like MPW, I want the new GM to clear house and try to get decent return from our underachievers. I'm pretty sure Cammalleri still has some value for a team that absolutely wants to make a splash in the playoffs. Plekanec has great value too (not even sure I'd trade him). Gionta can help a deeper team as well. Gomez we're stuck with, but I'd buy him out.
Just start getting draft picks for this year's deep draft and youngsters, and build around the players that actually give a damn.
KernelPanic
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Carkner played forward before so probably him. Michalek isn't back until next week against the Habs so they'll have to do this tonight and tomorrow.
It's on that stupid Sportsnet One channel I don't have so I'll probably watch a stream when I can.
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It all depends on the return. If, for instance, we'd be able to get a more offensive-prone first line center by packaging Plekanec and a promising kid like Beaulieu, I'd accept.
He's the only player amongst the ones I mentioned I'd be reluctant to see going away, but we haven't had a first line center in decades.
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Yesterday, I was watching the game and talking with a friend about how the stereotype of building from the goalie towards the front is now complete bullshit.
Look at all the dominating teams in the league right now? I like Price as much as the next guy, but every single dominating team I like in this league has been built from the offense towards the goalie.
Blackhawks? Dominating forwards. Pens? Dominating forwards. Last year's Capitals? Dominating forwards.
Any fucking goalie will do with these teams. Chicago has been playing Emery right now. St-Louis is playing a reject from Ottawa. Pittsburgh won a cup with Fleury, who's generally unreliable. The Caps have a better goalie this year, and they suck. Holtby was 10-2 last year, and he's not even playing right now.
Who cares about goalies? I want a dominating forward. The era of the goalie is over.
Look at all the dominating teams in the league right now? I like Price as much as the next guy, but every single dominating team I like in this league has been built from the offense towards the goalie.
Blackhawks? Dominating forwards. Pens? Dominating forwards. Last year's Capitals? Dominating forwards.
Any fucking goalie will do with these teams. Chicago has been playing Emery right now. St-Louis is playing a reject from Ottawa. Pittsburgh won a cup with Fleury, who's generally unreliable. The Caps have a better goalie this year, and they suck. Holtby was 10-2 last year, and he's not even playing right now.
Who cares about goalies? I want a dominating forward. The era of the goalie is over.
True, but in Plekanec we have one of the league's best second line centres. Its not his fault that hes a #2 center being forced to play #1 due to management's incompetence. Pleks is forced to play a defensive role against the oppositions top lines and is given wingers like Moen (who despite his career season is not an offensive talent) and Cammy (who clearly will never score a goal again). On top of that he is forced to play a ton of PK minutes in addition to PP minutes. Land a true #1 in Montreal and watch Plekanec's numbers skyrocket at #2. He's already proven he can put up 70-80 points in this league.
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Ok, but how?
Trade Cammy for a pick, Gomez to AHL. Cap space acquired.
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Top UFAs 2012 :
Ryan Suter, Nashville Predators.
Zach Parise, NJ Devils.
Alexander Semin, Washington Capitals.
Niklas Kronwall, Detroit Red Wings
R.J. Umberger, Columbus Blue Jackets.
Ales Hemsky, Edmonton Oilers.
Brad Stuart, Detroit Red Wings.
Chris Kunitz, Pittsburgh Penguins.
Shane Doan, Phoenix Coyotes.
Mikhail Grabovski, Toronto Maple Leafs.
There's no dominating center there. In fact, there's nothing I want on my team there, apart from Parise, Suter and maybe Kunitz.
I'm not too familiar with it so correct me if I'm wrong, but if they bought him out end of this year they'd be stuck with his cap hit for whatever the buyout is for the next six years right? I'd rather just have him play it out (or sit in the press box) until his contract is done.
KernelPanic
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Scott Gomez buyout from CapGeek.com
Habs would be paying him for the next 4 years.
Habs would be paying him for the next 4 years.
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That's the essence of being a Montreal fan nowadays : wishful thinking about UFAs starting in december.
Watch Hansen's skates. At that speed, Zetterberg's push is the difference.
Nice that they got a call like that right since it seemed like all 'goalie interference/non-goal' type stuff had been incorrectly called recently against the Canucks.
Damnit I was about to correct it
By Shanahan logic, Hansen should be suspended for his actions!
He's on a cold streak and still putting up points
Interesting way to frame it.
October: 18 points in 11 games
November: 14 points in 14 games
December: 7 points in 8 games
That's still almost a point a game pace. If he continues that for the remaining 49 games he'll finish with 85 points which should be good enough for a spot in the top 10.
Maybe because I haven't seen as many games this month but I'm actually impressed he's still almost a point a game. Felt like he was in a decent slump the last few games but guess not.
We'll see where he is by end of Jan. Most Leafs fans I know expected him to hit a huge slump by now, if he hasn't hit that Kesselonian slump by end of Jan, I think we can safely say he's turned a corner and has elevated his game to a new level from here on in.
Would have been last year, but not any other season post-lockout.
There are a lot of players at a PPG pace on his heels. We'll see.
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Still looks like he lost an edge despite the push, but whatever, not worth arguing about it.
That's true but scoring has been on a downward trend since the lockout. What was 90-95 points for around 10th spot immediately after the lockout was only 77 points for 10th spot last year. It's been slowly trending down overall.
At the end of the day it doesn't really matter where he finishes. It seems like non-Leafs fans care more about Kessel dropping out of the top 10 than Leafs fans care about him staying there. You get the constant Tabris watch each game about his points and +/- or when the sisters are going to pass him. Most Leafs fans I know are surprised he's stayed in the top 10 for this long and would be happy to see him stay there the entire season, but it's not the end of the world if he doesn't.
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Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Wings already re-signed Kronwall and I expect Stuart to be as well.
Had a quick look if he does get 85pts that would possibly get him damn close to the top ten. Other then 2005-2006 and 2006-2007, 85pts would have you finish around the top 12.
Personally I'll be ecstatic to see Kessel in the top 20 this year to be honest.
You guys (plus the national hockey media) are constantly talking about Kessel's production and his place in the scoring race. Suffer the consequences when people point out his decline.
Tabris is Tabris. He's not an example for anything but the failings of our education system.
CrazedArabMan
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Idk about Stuart, he really wants to go back west to be closer to his family, I expect him to be dealt at the deadline if Holland talks to him and they come to the conclusion he will be gone next year.
I can't control the media, but for Leafs posters here we're just excited to see how far Kessel has come at a young age. He's gone from a streaky scorer who would be invisible for 10 games or more to someone who you always notice out there on most nights. That's a good sign for our team going forward. The fact he hasn't gone consecutive games without a point just shows how consistent he's been so far. That being said, most people on here don't think it'll last to this degree, but hope he's still fairly consistent the rest of the way. The only thing Leafs fans hope for is a playoff spot. Individual accomplishments mean nothing.
The thing about Kessel that all Leafs fans have noticed is that even though his goal scoring has dropped off he is still creating amazing plays and setting up players. He creates a lot of space and his passing ability is extremely underrated. I dont know if there is another player who is able to distribute/shoot the puck so well when its in close to their body.
Fix'd. Although to be fair Tinordi is looking great.
You were so wrong Subban
@FJ's point about building around a goalie being useless, look at Boston, Thomas won them the cup, without Thomas playing like he did Boston wouldn't have won the cup, and Plekanec isn't going anywhere doesn't he have a NTC? He just had a new kid too, I wouldn't move him and Bealieu, who is one of our top prospects right now. Also Hal Gill has now scored more goals then Gomez in the last like 50 games or something like that. Hal fucking Gill, no wonder this team is hitting the shitter. Thankfully I have a birthday party to go to tonight so I'll be missing the game.
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Fix'd. Although to be fair Tinordi is looking great.
You were so wrong Subban
@FJ's point about building around a goalie being useless, look at Boston, Thomas won them the cup, without Thomas playing like he did Boston wouldn't have won the cup, and Plekanec isn't going anywhere doesn't he have a NTC? He just had a new kid too, I wouldn't move him and Bealieu, who is one of our top prospects right now. Also Hal Gill has now scored more goals then Gomez in the last like 50 games or something like that. Hal fucking Gill, no wonder this team is hitting the shitter. Thankfully I have a birthday party to go to tonight so I'll be missing the game.
Look for the biggest indoor puddle. Around it there should be a craving box.
You know what to do man.
Thank you, ambassador.
Lupul has definitely helped Kessel's game this season. The fact he's been playing so well gives Kessel a bit more space out there. It's the same way the Sedin sisters have to play off each other and are a package deal. Individually they wouldn't be as good.
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Kessel has boosted Lupul and his stats this season. No doubt. Where would Kessel be with a true #1 centre all season long?
At 50-55 points.
That's where.
Lupul is good along the boards which phil is ... lets not even talk about his board play, well you cant because it doesn't exist.
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Kessel has speed. Board play is for slow players...like the Sedins.
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after Subban's own-goal and his turn-over that cost them another goal... I think he would be a good contender to return to Hamilton
Not quite, he just needs to sit a couple games. He played so well last year and so many minutes everyone's expecting him to play like a vet, dude is only in his 2nd pro year, playing the most minutes on the team against teams top pairings, and playing the PP and PK, he just needs to have his work load dialed back, and simplify his game. Needs to work on that 1 timer.
Oh definitely. Bozak works for now, but he can't really keep up with Kessel or Lupul. You can see it a few times a game where Kessel will set up someone and they'll completely botch it and he gets visibly frustrated.
I know Kadri's more of a winger now but it would be fun to see him with Lupul and Kessel on the PP once or twice while he's up.
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