Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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So I need a higher income than 60.000$/year to afford the WiiU?
Wii U $399 confirmed.
Reggie doesn´t seem to know what he is saying here.
MisterHero
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He's just stating what the entire industry percieves to be the main demographic: adult males with many thousands of dollars in disposable income
It does sound awfully familar to another awful comment though.
or he's implying that Wii will see life beyond Early 2012 (?)
It does sound awfully familar to another awful comment though.
or he's implying that Wii will see life beyond Early 2012 (?)
I guess that's true, but I think it's best to temper expectations.
Has Nintendo ever used a cutting-edge GPU architecture? Serious question.
Guys, he's just saying that your typical family with $50,000-60,000 annual income typically won't have much disposable income, which is true. It's worded badly, and he probably shouldn't have said it in the first place, but it's true in the USA in 2011-2012.
EDIT: Actually, it's worded horribly. He must have gotten his words jumbled.
At any rate, I think the pretty much makes $300 the absolute minimum with $400 being most likely. I'm predicting a worse first six months than the 3DS by far.
EDIT: Actually, it's worded horribly. He must have gotten his words jumbled.
At any rate, I think the pretty much makes $300 the absolute minimum with $400 being most likely. I'm predicting a worse first six months than the 3DS by far.
Well, I guess we can really let speculation run wild now that Reggie's clarified that the Wii is being made for people with more than 60k a year in disposable income.
Calling it now: the Wii U will have two HD7970s, 6gigs of GDDR5 RAM, and a 60gig SSD. Believe.
Seriously though, if this is any indication that Nintendo is putting more oomph into the hardware, then I'm ok with it. After all the Xbox720 in 2012 rumors, I'm ready for next gen to start. And this might be indication that Nintendo's gunning for the Wii U to be much closer to the PS4/720 than to PS360. And I'm totally happy with that - I was never really on-board with the idea of the Wii U being a stop-gap console.
Calling it now: the Wii U will have two HD7970s, 6gigs of GDDR5 RAM, and a 60gig SSD. Believe.
Seriously though, if this is any indication that Nintendo is putting more oomph into the hardware, then I'm ok with it. After all the Xbox720 in 2012 rumors, I'm ready for next gen to start. And this might be indication that Nintendo's gunning for the Wii U to be much closer to the PS4/720 than to PS360. And I'm totally happy with that - I was never really on-board with the idea of the Wii U being a stop-gap console.
-Pyromaniac-
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Reggie is just doing what he does best, talking fucking shit. I take very little he says seriously. He just means that it won't cost near what the Wii costs now, which we anticipated already.
But he said DISPOSABLE Income of 50000 to 60000, I guess this means without costs for rental fees, energy, car and so on. I would say this is quite a lot.
If he would say net income I would agree (especially with 4 kids as he mentioned).
It's still an entirely stupid way to compare the cost difference between Wii and Wii U, though.
A net income of $50,000 is not enough for a family of four. Hell, it's barely enough for a couple with no kids.
Anyway, I really don't think it's good to take this at face value. It's preemptive damage control, nothing more.
Well, Reggie is entirely stupid.
walking fiend
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He is talking about families, which gaming may their entertainment priority 4 or 5 or 6, probably much lower. If I had two kids and earned 50-60 a year, I would buy a Wii instead of Wii U, if it was going to be used for family entertainment and not my personal entertainment.
You guys just don't see how it works as a family decision, I presume.
I like photography, and I spend few hundreds a year to just buy my roll of films. How many people spend this much for sake of shooting photos?
If each family wants to spend $150 a year for the sake of its low priority entertainment, it would amount to alot of money for all the numerous entertainments.
You guys just don't see how it works as a family decision, I presume.
I like photography, and I spend few hundreds a year to just buy my roll of films. How many people spend this much for sake of shooting photos?
If each family wants to spend $150 a year for the sake of its low priority entertainment, it would amount to alot of money for all the numerous entertainments.
woo and indeed hoo
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Reggie said:
Emphasis mine.
Translation: even if I am the head of a family with a high disposable income I would still look at purchasing the Wii because of its compelling [sorry] lineup of software.
However, if I am a consumer who also has a high disposable income and I want the latest DAY ONE BITCHES!!! gadget, then I will want the Wii U.
Come on people! It's not that hard!
-Pyromaniac-
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not sure where you live but I was brought up on a lot less growing up. Not enough to live completely comfortably but it's enough.
ClovingWestbrook
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Wii U will be $349 with a game pack in. It won't be $400 and it won't be $299
-Pyromaniac-
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I agree with this. 299 or less seems like the pipe dream/too good to be true area and 399+ seems like it's in the too expensive area for nintendo, so I see 349.
Honestly, bagging on Reggie aside, I do interpret this as Nintendo starting to prep people for the Wii U costing more than anticipated. And, honestly, I'm happy with that. I doubt they'd price high just to have the type of cushion 3DS started with (and initially tanked because of). If they're going up on price it must be because they want the Wii U to be more competitive hardware-wise with that next-gen consoles are going to produce, and not just be a cheap stop-gap console that everyone initially assumed it would be.
Here's hoping, anyway.
If I were the head of a family of four and I was considering purchasing a gaming console period and didn't already have a Wii, I'd choose the Wii U. It's the console that'll be receiving the most support moving forward and would likely be backwards compatible. It's simply the smartest purchasing decision to make in 2012.
I really don't know the costs for living in the US but you can live farely well as a couple with ~3000 monthly income.
My dad had an income of around $45000 for most of my childhood. With four kids.
The_Endgamer
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I'm really not seeing how hard it is to read reggie's comments...
MisterHero
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Well he makes it sound like they want the Wii to go on like the slim PSone/PS2 or the original NES or Gameboy. Wii doesn't have the kind of support enjoyed by those platforms though.
Well I can see $50,000-60,000 be a bit hard for a family of four in California. And I expect a lot of people who would have priorities with buying the hottest gadgets probably aren't with a family and aren't settling in suburbs but in major cities. Cost of living can get pretty high in major cities.
It's not hard to read. It's just an incredibly idiotic way to describe what is a very simple concept: Wii U will cost more than Wii.
Reggie could have gotten the exact same point across by saying "With the Wii U we're aiming for a high definition, more immersive version of the experiences we've cultivated under the Nintendo brand. As such, the hardware we'll be incorporating will require that we price the Wii U higher than Wii."
Gets the same point across AND is more considerate of the many different demographics that Nintendo wants to cater to, instead of constantly going for the "family" angle.
I've suspected the "brains beware" in the thread title might have a double meaning for quite some time.
DING DING DING! You didn't grow up in 2011.
Plinko
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That really depends on where you live, as I have a family of 5 and we get by and much less.
Wii does get plenty of family oriented games. And thats where they might be pushing it. Letting it soak up all the cheap software from the likes of UBISOFT et ali.
This will give them a chance to market WiiU as being more dudebro friendly. Im speaking strictly NOA here. NOE and Japan can probably accept WiiU as being both a family console and console for mature gamers.
The_Endgamer
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Explain.
People are complaining that it is a cumbersome way to say it, however everyone knows what reggie is concluding.
Where is the problem of communication?
He is marketing, he isn't there to speak in absolute definitives.
It's going to have a really rough launch at $349. Considering the way Nintendo consoles are perceived by both the "hardcore" and the "casual," $349 for a Nintendo console is the equivalent of $499 for a Sony or Microsoft console. Nintendo either has to establish it as a true next-gen console at E3, or keep the price below $300.
walking fiend
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Do you think head of a family that doesn't earn much cares about backward compatibility? There's a reason PS2 is still selling this much, because the console is cheap, and the games are cheap.
Reggie definitely knows what he is talking about, just look at how dropping the 3DS priced killed the strong going DS. 3DS sure was backward compatible, but it was expensive, so it couldn't sell. The same will happen with Wii U and its family target (although Wii U won't be the same as 3DS, because just from it's launch titles it is going to have a focus on core gamers and 3rd parties)
I personally grew up in a similar situation. I am 24 and I normally should have started gaming with either Nintendo or PC, however, since we didn't have much money when I was a kid, I started gaming with Atari 2600, which was the only console cheap enough for my family to pay for. I couldn't care less whether my Atari was backward or forward compatible or that it was discontinued, etc. (Btw, River Raid is still one of the best games I have ever played, maybe because my mom used to play with me...)
ClovingWestbrook
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AceBandage
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It'll be under $300.
You can bank on it.
You can bank on it.
All it takes is games. Games that are interesting, games that are uniquely next-gen in some fashion that excites people about how they can do this, that, or the other thing. Again: Many of you folks continue to overthink this.
For example: My parents, who had never purchased a game system before in their lives, bought a Wii and Wii Fit for over $400 without blinking. They are not rich. They simply wanted it.
That's all it takes, for any customer - casual, hardcore, mix-core, silly-mac, whatever the hell else people want to call them.
I was agreeing with you that it wasn't hard to see.
ecosse_011172
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Where I come from disposable income is the money you have left after all bills/food etc. are paid that you can be frivolous with.
He's such a cock, I love the way he never, ever answers a question in an honest, direct manner, he's just like a slimy politician that will never concede anything.
Yes. And lets not forget, die hard Nintendo fans who will get their hands on their first Nintendo console sporting HD graphics. There must be millions of those alone. 3DS had a great initial launch. It sputtered along the way due to lackluster software. But I dont expect the WiiU to have this problem if it launches up in the $300 region. Especially if games like GTA5 will be in its launch window.
I don't know. Reggie doesn't seem to think the next Playstation or XBOX are coming soon:
How much will the Wii U cost?
Ever since Iwata implied that it won´t be $249, I immediately thought $299, since it´s the closest and still a price that will appeal to a large market. Wii was sold out for a long time at $249 and sold for ridiculous prices at ebay. Nintendo probably wished they had sold it for $299 instead, but how could they now it would be that popular?
The follow-up for Wii --> at minimum $299. Any less will be a surprise for me.
But than I thought, this thing will not only have an hardware upgrade in the console itself, but also have a new controller with a 6,2 inch screen. This controller will of course be a part of the package along with a new demo game disc (á la Wii Sports).
This made me think, it could be $349.
After that I didn´t give it much thought, until today. I am thinking it could be $399, if it also has a Wiimote packed in(which it probably will?), a decent harddrive and Nintendo wants to make a profit. Of course I don´t know the BOM cost or how many man hours that has been spent(though they did spend a lot of millions on R&D. I am sure it wasn´t only on developing 3DS).
Than again, Nintendo did panic with the pricing on 3DS. (IMO, it could have sold great if it had the games from the start. As soon as they lowered the price, I almost purchased it. I was only looking for a game to go with it and I couldn´t find any that appealed to me. Trust me, I would have bought it straight away if it had the games at that point in time. Now it does have some games, but I am too busy playing the fall games for Wii and PC.)
Because of 3DS pricing issues, I am thinking $349 with a maybe on $399. I am thinking they are going to include Wiimote, Wii U tablet and a demo game. This time around they will have a killer app(wii sports 2?).
Ever since Iwata implied that it won´t be $249, I immediately thought $299, since it´s the closest and still a price that will appeal to a large market. Wii was sold out for a long time at $249 and sold for ridiculous prices at ebay. Nintendo probably wished they had sold it for $299 instead, but how could they now it would be that popular?
The follow-up for Wii --> at minimum $299. Any less will be a surprise for me.
But than I thought, this thing will not only have an hardware upgrade in the console itself, but also have a new controller with a 6,2 inch screen. This controller will of course be a part of the package along with a new demo game disc (á la Wii Sports).
This made me think, it could be $349.
After that I didn´t give it much thought, until today. I am thinking it could be $399, if it also has a Wiimote packed in(which it probably will?), a decent harddrive and Nintendo wants to make a profit. Of course I don´t know the BOM cost or how many man hours that has been spent(though they did spend a lot of millions on R&D. I am sure it wasn´t only on developing 3DS).
Than again, Nintendo did panic with the pricing on 3DS. (IMO, it could have sold great if it had the games from the start. As soon as they lowered the price, I almost purchased it. I was only looking for a game to go with it and I couldn´t find any that appealed to me. Trust me, I would have bought it straight away if it had the games at that point in time. Now it does have some games, but I am too busy playing the fall games for Wii and PC.)
Because of 3DS pricing issues, I am thinking $349 with a maybe on $399. I am thinking they are going to include Wiimote, Wii U tablet and a demo game. This time around they will have a killer app(wii sports 2?).
That only works with consistent compelling releases, which Nintendo isn't capable of providing alone and third-parties won't even attempt to provide. Wii U needs to sow that it's a significant upgrade over the current gen to avoid an apocalyptic scenario at $349.
Nintendo continues to be short-sighted and only thinks of the now. Now I KNOW this thing isn't future-proof. Nope, throwing 28nm and anything higher than RV740 out of the window right now, and not changing my mind until this is out and gets a teardown.
AMD's just released, new 28nm process and architecture got them a modest 20% increase in performance. People are expecting high-end PC level graphics from these two and, given limitations in power and manufacturing cost of a console, Reggie's probably right. I doubt they could release something that leapfrogs this generation, as well as making whatever hardware WiiU gets inside it seem obsolete, while keeping a competitive price or not hemorrhaging insane amounts of money. Specs will either have to be a little more modest or the release date pushed back.
It'll be under $300.
You can bank on it.
One dollar under, to be precise!
AceBandage
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One cent, actually.
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