UFC 141 |OT| Lesnar vs. Overeem

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prediction: Overeem detractors will continue to not give him any credit and keep moving goalposts. First it was "he's never faced a wrestler before," now it's going to be "he's never faced someone with boxing skills than JDS," blah blah blah

edit: look no further than our stubborn friend fraudobod below
 
my nexus phone died when i was out and about, i just got home from the bars, what's going on, i'm about to get on my dvr and check out the dvr.

i'm saddened that brock lost to fraudereem, but at least i can find solace that my good friend from the 209 nate diaz beat up that white trash cowboy cerrone from greg jackson's devil mma camp, so despite my pitfall in the main event, the overall event was a success.

i'd like to wish whoever made mma-gaf a fun place to post and shit talk a good year for 2012. let's break 20k posts quickly so some other goon can reclaim the OT and make it a partisan place to post.

enjoy.

time to check out the dream event.
 
Hex said:
Why the hell do people say shit like this?
ALL of the prefight talk by Brock and camp said he was in better shape than ever and happier than ever.
And Brock with his "Baddest man on the planet" "This is my octagon" "I'll defeat him, that's the bottom line"


The sob stories, poor sick Brock stuff is dumb.
Brock was exposed as a Kimbo Slice with better gifts and athleticism.
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they always say that.

if you have a pair of eyes, you'll see that brock isn't the same physical specimen he once was. whether that's due to aging, fewer roids, laziness, or his illness is debatable.

the comparison to kimbo is stupid. kimbo played football before going into bouncing. lesnar was a champion wrestler, just one in a long line of many one-dimensional wrestlers who've become heavyweight champ and then burned out (kevin johnson, mark coleman mark kerr, etc.). he's legitimate fighter.

I am happy he got his ass kicked, and I do not pity him or make excuses for his performance. I do think it is a good time to retire because it is obvious he is physically on the downswing.
Buba Big Guns said:
Lesnar was never going to beat Overeem no matter how healthy he was. Reem is just in another class.
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I don't know if people mean it literally when they say stuff like this, but Overeem will not win 100% of the time vs Brock, although he will win the majority of the time.
 
agrajag said:
prediction: Overeem detractors will continue to not give him any credit and keep moving goalposts. First it was "he's never faced a wrestler before," now it's going to be "he's never faced someone with boxing skills than JDS," blah blah blah

edit: look no further than our stubborn friend fraudobod below
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I'd take Badr Hari striking skills over JDS striking skills. To say Alistair hasn't seen any top strikers would be a retarded statement to make. Yes, it was in K-1 but JDS isn't going to be taking down Alistair and it essentially will be a kickboxing fight.
 
Fitch getting KO'd quickly, Nate doing the Stockton Slap on Cerrone and my man Overeem crushing Brock. :)

And to top off the perfect day, the bar I went to ran a competition if you correctly guessed the winner, round and minute of the main event they'd pay for your tab, and I won! :D
 
Horay for Dutch fighters! Now expanding and displaying their overwhelming superiority in the USA.


;p


The coward brock got pummeled.
That will teach him not to shoot at poor little animals with huge caliber weapons.
 
Always-honest said:
Horay for Dutch fighters! Now expanding and displaying their overwhelming superiority in the USA.


;p


The coward brock got pummeled.
That will teach him not to shoot at poor little animals with huge caliber weapons.
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Lol, I say he's probably more American than Dutch. He was been in USA to an African American dad.
 
Heppell said:
Lol, I say he's probably more American than Dutch. He was been in USA to an African American dad.
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Born in England, moved to The NEtherlands when he was 6. Is Dutch ever since.
More importantly in this topic, his training was in The Netherlands. That's probably why he is one of the few guys his size that can actualy kick en Knee
 
GaimeGuy said:
He had to have... I think it was something like a 7 inch incision made and 18 inches of his colon removed, or something ridiculous like that. .
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It was 12 inches of his colon I think but I'm wondering how did he go to the bathroom? Did they remove the 12 inches closer to the anus or closer to the stomach, I'm assuming the stomach. How does it travel through there, did they put a plastic tube or something. I'm in school for health/science so this is all interesting
 
Heavy said:
It was 12 inches of his colon I think but I'm wondering how did he go to the bathroom? Did they remove the 12 inches closer to the anus or closer to the stomach, I'm assuming the stomach. How does it travel through there, did they put a plastic tube or something. I'm in school for health/science so this is all interesting
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My understanding is that there's a lot of colon and intestines going on down there. Just cut out the infected parts, and reattach a healthy part.

And I'm guessing he had a colostomy bag during the procedure.
 
Dana White said:
Let me say, in front of everybody here, that I was wrong, I said it before Alistair came into the UFC and I said it leading up to this fight to myself because I never give predictions, but I thought Brock Lesnar was going to beat Alistair Overeem tonight. I did, and I was wrong. He looked damn good tonight. He made quick work of Brock Lesnar.
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Good stuff

The Reem said:
A funny thing was, I predicted it the evening before to my fiancee. ...I said, 'First I'm going to do this, then I'm going to do that, then I'm going to finish it with a liver kick.' I don't know if it's luck or if it's strategy, but it turned out that way and I'm just happy that it did.
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Dat lucky chick.
 
Man, Overeem has made so many people look retarded last night. Not only stupid WWE fans who claimed Brawk would "donkey kong him," but pro-fighters as well. Frank Murr, Shane No-Gas-Tank Carwin, JDS all picked Brock to "destroy," him. Lol, I wonder Murr must feel: the guy who turned his face into strawberry jam just got demolished by a guy he was talking shit about.
 
Two of them lost to Brock so they had some self-interest there in picking him. Not that it makes it any less funny.

And as I recall, JDS was saying it would be pretty close, rather than saying Lesnar would cream him. Either way it's impossible to hate on JDS. :P He wrecks people in the octagon and outside of it he's like the nicest guy ever.
 
Zeliard said:
Two of them lost to Brock so they had some self-interest there in picking him. Not that it makes it any less funny.

And as I recall, JDS was saying it would be pretty close, rather than saying Lesnar would cream him. Either way it's impossible to hate on JDS. :P He wrecks people in the octagon and outside of it he's like the nicest guy ever.
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He said it was close, but his final prediction was that Brock would take him down and destroy him, or something like that.

I don't hate JDS, but he's going to get ragdolled by the Reem. If he clinches, it's over for JDS.
 
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Slizz said:
Fucking brutal. Injury report on Brock? Broken rib(s)?
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No report so far, but Brock told Dana that he felt like he broke his rib(s). He said something "I don't know what a broken rib feels like, but if it's more painful than this, I don't want to feel it."
 
agrajag said:
No report so far, but Brock told Dana that he felt like he broke his rib(s). He said something "I don't know what a broken rib feels like, but if it's more painful than this, I don't want to feel it."
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I wince at that kick so I can only imagine.
 
JDS can always land that shot, but while a good boxer, he largely only throws punches so it makes him pretty one-dimensional even if dominant (his TDD also seems solid if not totally tested). He's just such a good puncher relative to other heavies that it hasn't really mattered yet that he doesn't bother to do much else.

Problem versus a guy like Overeem is when it gets into the clinch and they start grappling. JDS isn't a weak dude but he isn't Overeem and he also doesn't have the grappling skills or experience.

It's hard to see any result but Reem landing some knees to the body and then just ragdolling JDS to the ground, in a similar way as he did to Brett Rogers, a guy who cuts to 265. And as with Rogers, he'd follow JDS up on the ground, since there's no submission threat there like with Werdum. And what does JDS do when Overeem is ground and pounding him?
 
Zeliard said:
JDS can always land that shot, but while a good boxer, he largely only throws punches so it makes him pretty one-dimensional even if dominant (his TDD also seems solid if not totally tested). He's just such a good puncher relative to other heavies that it hasn't really mattered yet that he doesn't bother to do much else.

Problem versus a guy like Overeem is when it gets into the clinch and they start grappling. JDS isn't a weak dude but he isn't Overeem and he also doesn't have the grappling skills or experience.

It's hard to see any result but Reem landing some knees to the body and then just ragdolling JDS to the ground, in a similar way as he did to Brett Rogers, a guy who cuts to 265. And as with Rogers, he'd follow JDS up on the ground, since there's no submission threat there like with Werdum. And what does JDS do when Overeem is ground and pounding him?
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That's the thing though, Overeem has so many more ways to win the fight. Trust me, he's not getting flash KO'd like Cain. People talk crap about his chin, but he's never been flash KO'd, even by powerful strikers who knock people out with one punch (Lidell, Shogun, Hari), he was finished by volume strikes. If Overeem starts losing his stand up, I guaran-damn-tee it, he will clinch up and ragdoll JDS, possibly pounding him out or submitting him.

Overeem is not the same guy from his 205 days. He didn't only improve his physique and technical abilities, his fight IQ has gone way up. He's a very intelligent fighter. Before this fight people were doubting his ability striking with wrestlers and smaller gloves, that his style of striking in K-1 where he covers up with the big gloves wouldn't work, etc. that he has zero head movement.. What did he do in his fight? He kept his hands low, wide stance to be ready for the shot, avoided all of Brock's strikes (except for the grazing jab) with head movement.

He was wary of Werdum on the ground, even though he had top position multiple times. He won't be scared to go to the ground with JDS. He's just going to be too much for him.
 
agrajag said:
That's the thing though, Overeem has so many more ways to win the fight. Trust me, he's not getting flash KO'd like Cain. People talk crap about his chin, but he's never been flash KO'd, even by powerful strikers who knock people out with one punch (Lidell, Shogun, Hari), he was finished by volume strikes. If Overeem starts losing his stand up, I guaran-damn-tee it, he will clinch up and ragdoll JDS, possibly pounding him out or submitting him.

Overeem is not the same guy from his 205 days. He didn't only improve his physique and technical abilities, his fight IQ has gone way up. He's a very intelligent fighter. Before this fight people were doubting his ability striking with wrestlers and smaller gloves, that his style of striking in K-1 where he covers up with the big gloves wouldn't work, etc. that he has zero head movement.. What did he do in his fight? He kept his hands low, wide stance to be ready for the shot, avoided all of Brock's strikes (except for the grazing jab) with head movement.

He was wary of Werdum on the ground, even though he had top position multiple times. He won't be scared to go to the ground with JDS. He's just going to be too much for him.
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Overeem is also smart enough that even if JDS was landing some punches and getting the upper hand in the normal stand-up, he'd just get into clinch range and go to work from there. Overeem has good timing and is pretty agile for his size, and with the threat his stand-up in general brings, he can probably get himself into clinch range if he wants to.

I think Overeem overpowers every damn person in the clinch, with knees and throws. Biggest reason Werdum survived is because whenever Overeem got him in the clinch, he would just immediately toss him to the ground so Werdum couldn't pull guard. And Werdum otherwise just flopped on his back a lot, Leites-style. Though Overeem's gotta watch that gas tank of his too.
 
The fight should have been ended as soon as Brock went to the mat.

And i agree that Reem is getting better and better. Reem with head movement and no Muay Thai position? That was surprising.
 
It's only a matter of time until Bones moves up to heavyweight and destroys the top tier.

Overeem and JDS have very little to offer. They'd get taken down and hellbowed.
 
Are the Spike prelims worth watching? I was stuck in traffic and got to the bar just as the last fight was ending, and I didn't see how it went cuz I was busy trying to grab a table for my friends.
 
Brock looked pretty terrible, seemed incredibly nervous on his feet and was barely trying for takedowns. Good showing for Overeem though, think he matches up well against JDS so I expect him to win that.
 
DKehoe said:
Brock looked pretty terrible, seemed incredibly nervous on his feet and was barely trying for takedowns. Good showing for Overeem though, think he matches up well against JDS so I expect him to win that.
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As soon as he came out to that depressing country music, they touched gloves and Brock awkwardly tried to shake Reem's hand and Reem just kept his fist closed, I knew Brock was in trouble.
 
Brock reacts to getting hit the same way bob sapp does. Sapp has a legitimate win over Ernest hoost though and that win alone is better than any win on lesners cv.
 
Despite a short and dominating fight, Overeem was breathing very hard, during his post-fight interview. If anyone is going to beat him, his cardio will be a key weakness. JDS would be smart, to use guerilla tactics for the first few rounds, draining Reem's stamina.

I was impressed with Nate. I also think all his shit-talking wasn't for naught. He got into Cowboy's head, and affected his game. Cowboy fought a horrible fight. He was thoroughly getting out-boxed, and he didn't even stick with what was consistently working, which were his leg kicks. And he had absolutely no way to follow-up all the times he swept Nate onto his ass.

Lastly, Hettes was damn impressive. Looking forward to his future fights.

Edit: Okay, some other thoughts. I've always like Reem's interviews. He's pretty articulate for a big meathead, and he genuinely thinks about the questions and his answers, instead of simply bumbling garbage out of his mouth. In contrast, Nate and Brock talk like children.
 
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