They'd be fools to not trade down a few spots and still take him, imo. Then take Russell Wilson in the 4th and boom. Best team in that atrocious division.
Wilson to Kendricks! Super Bowl fo' sho'
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They'd be fools to not trade down a few spots and still take him, imo. Then take Russell Wilson in the 4th and boom. Best team in that atrocious division.
Wilson to Kendricks! Super Bowl fo' sho'
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Really don't get this. If you think Blackmon is the best guy then you take him. It's not like you're reaching grabbing him where you're at and the chances are pretty high that somebody else ahead of you will nab him or trade up to go get him and then you missed out.
The only reason a team should trade down is to do what the Pats do and stockpile massive amounts of picks. Trading down with the intention of still getting the one guy you really want later is a massive way to screw yourself over.
Yes. He would make Mark Sanchez look like a respectable NFL QB. Look what happened to Alex Smith this year.
Scanning twitter yesterday and this morning, I am unable to control my laughter. At the beginning of the season I made an emphatic, enthusiastic and well-thought (though admittedly with little factual support) argument that the Packers would tag Flynn. It appears that not only are fans fully behind this move, various professional "journalist" outlets are pimping it as well. Basically, I still think it is 1. the correct move and 2. fits Ted Thompson's philosophy on team building to a tee so well, that I almost can no longer fathom him not tagging Flynn.
- Ted Thompson does not sign players in free agency. It's not his method of building a team, and outside of Woodson, he hasn't really broken that mold. He trusts his talent evaulators and his coaching staff.
- The Packers have one single in-house free agent that is a must sign. Scott Wells will be given a deal. Fact. The rest of the scrap will be cut. Ryan Grant, you will not be missed. Ted already extended Sitton and Jordy, no one else left. You hear me, Ted? There is no other person on this roster who should be signed. YOTTO? GTFO.
- This is a huuuuuuuuuge sellers market for quarterbacks, and Matt Flynn just humiliated, embarassed, confounded, confused and flat annihilated a playoff team. Just destroyed them. He beat the Lions so badly that animal control issued a warrant for his arrest. Just flat demolished and demoralized a team that was already pretty much shithoused anyway. But wow...Matt Flynn butt fucked that franchise into meaninglessness for another 4 decades. Point is, his value skyrocketed. A franchise tag is looking to be what, $16 million? I'd argue that there is real reason to think a single first round pick, now that contracts carry less risk, is worth at least that much. However, there is no reason to believe that Flynn would only warrant a first. Surely there would be multiple picks involved, either in this draft or the next. If my team had the opportunity to trade $16m in cap space for two first rounders or a first/second/fourth or something to that effect, I would jump at it.
Absolute worst case scenario, Packers tag Flynn and have the best back-up in the history of football earning a huge paycheck for a year. That money wouldn't have been used elsewhere, it never is. Big...fucking...deal.
Tag him.
Move down three spots, let Washington take Griffin, get a third round pick out of it, select Blackmon. It isn't rocket science.
- Ted Thompson does not sign players in free agency. It's not his method of building a team, and outside of Woodson, he hasn't really broken that mold. He trusts his talent evaulators and his coaching staff.
- The Packers have one single in-house free agent that is a must sign. Scott Wells will be given a deal. Fact. The rest of the scrap will be cut. Ryan Grant, you will not be missed. Ted already extended Sitton and Jordy, no one else left. You hear me, Ted? There is no other person on this roster who should be signed. YOTTO? GTFO.
- This is a huuuuuuuuuge sellers market for quarterbacks, and Matt Flynn just humiliated, embarassed, confounded, confused and flat annihilated a playoff team. Just destroyed them. He beat the Lions so badly that animal control issued a warrant for his arrest. Just flat demolished and demoralized a team that was already pretty much shithoused anyway. But wow...Matt Flynn butt fucked that franchise into meaninglessness for another 4 decades. Point is, his value skyrocketed. A franchise tag is looking to be what, $16 million? I'd argue that there is real reason to think a single first round pick, now that contracts carry less risk, is worth at least that much. However, there is no reason to believe that Flynn would only warrant a first. Surely there would be multiple picks involved, either in this draft or the next. If my team had the opportunity to trade $16m in cap space for two first rounders or a first/second/fourth or something to that effect, I would jump at it.
Absolute worst case scenario, Packers tag Flynn and have the best back-up in the history of football earning a huge paycheck for a year. That money wouldn't have been used elsewhere, it never is. Big...fucking...deal.
Tag him.
Move down three spots, let Washington take Griffin, get a third round pick out of it, select Blackmon. It isn't rocket science.
I'm not sure Singeltary and Peyton can co-exist.
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I'm curious as to why the Jets lobbied so hard to get Burress. They must have know he wasn't going to have the burst necessary and with Sanchez at the QB whatever speed he did have was useless anyway.
Continuing on that line of thinking, why did they get rid of Cotchery?
Continuing on that line of thinking, why did they get rid of Cotchery?
Futurevoid
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Or Braylon though that was more money than anything. I know Edwards had some off the field issues but in watching the Jets over the past few seasons, it seemed to me that Sanchez was more comfortable with Braylon and he opened things up for Holmes. Burress hasn't provided that for Holmes despite being a good red zone target. Braylon was injured this season but I think it might be a good idea for them to look into picking him back up for a pittance now that the Niners have moved on from him. Schotty still has to go...DeaconKnowledge said:
yankeehater
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Rodgers contract for next season pays him $8 million. I just cant see Flynn making double that. I just think the money is to much. If he was locked up at a reasonable number I could see teams going crazy to get him, but 1 year $16 million, I dont think teams will give up multiple picks for him.
Yes, sign a $14.8M backup, LOL
As soon as the Pack would tag him, he would run over and sign it and laugh all the way to the bank. This isn't like Cassel when Brady was coming of an injury.
Flynn will walk and rot in some place like Seattle.
We're loading up on white people to make ourselves less marketable to LA.
Why? It's not like he'd be getting Sam Bradford money!
Our backups beat your starters. Maybe you should look into signing some backups?Kozmo said:
Thought it was said earlier in the year that they wanted to give Sanchez a big endzone target.
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So why get rid of Braylon? Burress is only 3 inches taller.
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What they should have been signing him to do, he actually did pretty well as a redzone target. But the Jets for whatever reason thought it'd be a great idea to play him every down.
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Flynn would be the highest paid QB next year if they tagged him. I hope they do it, just for the stupidity that would come out of ESPN.
Last time that site was linked it was called wildly out of date. I'd imagine it must be, since the franchise tag doesn't make a player the highest paid at his position.
I also pulled $16m out of the air as I have heard anywhere from $11-14 million but I wanted to err on the side of caution.
Now that I'm thinking was cap related for some reason. You'd have to check but I think they wanted to keep Cromartie and woo Asomugha so weren't willing to pay Braylon what he expected.
I'd be fine tagging for the reasons you state, pretty much never do anything with free agents so the money doesn't matter; but I'm not exactly as sure Ted will make that move. He's so protective of money and picks that I almost never expect him to do anything other than trade down.
When he traded back into the first round to get Clay Matthews I almost had a heart attack while listening on a little radio while I was moving boxes into a storage unit.
Anyways, I almost think he'd have to have a wink/nod situation with another GM in order to tag him. If there is any amount of perceived risk, Ted lets him walk and just gets the compensatory pick.
Your shtick is about as funny as Rob Schneider in Waterboy.
yankeehater
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The franchise tag is the average of the top 5 salaries including bonuses, the site I linked is just the base salaries. Flynns base would be the highest in the leagues, but other QBs would make more when you factor in bonuses. The $16 million number comes from Vick signing the franchise tag last year and getting $16 million. It will come down a little bit this year but not much.
Yet like Adam Sandler, you keep coming back to me. Your A team lost to a scout team in a game that had meaning for you, none for them. Of course you're going to get shit on after being a mouth bitch.
The other thing I forgot to mention in my long post is that the cap hit would be significantly reduced as soon as the team who does sign Flynn restructures his deal. It would also keep him from the Vikings, which Ted has shown is a main priority!
At the worst, he would be tied with Breesus, who will get tagged as well. (All accounts that I can find right now say about $14m)
A big problem for the Jets was scoring in the red zone. Burress has helped the jets in that regard.
As far as Cotchery goes I have no idea. He was a big leader on that team. I think it had to do with going after Asumwho
the franchise tag was changed this year.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...-values-will-be-down-across-the-board-in-2012
Kind of ironic considering most Lions fans post in this thread are basically "You can do it" posts.
Mike Florio is such a smug asshole.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/02/pfts-postseason-awards/related/
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Thanks for the link, so a team that tags a QB will save about $2 million. $14.4 million still seems like a lot to me. Let him walk and take the 2nd or 3rd round pick you would get back.
Right, it's assumed right now to be about $14 million. So far, the only legitimate bad reason I have heard for tagging Flynn is that it will potentially hurt Green Bay in negotiations with Rodgers but lets be honest...he'll be looking for highest paid player money anyway.
Luck will make $25 million over 4 years. Flynn makes $15 million in year one. Whoever trades for him would obviously want a multi-year deal in place. Would Flynn take a 3 yr/$30 mil deal? He could just take the $15 million and then do it all again a year later. Would his new team settle for 3 years? That's one less year and 5 million more than Andrew Luck. 4 yrs/ 40 million? Now it's $15 million more than Luck, but at least Flynn would definitely go for it. And the team is supposed to then give the Packers a couple 1st round picks?
It's very hard to trade him once he signs that 1 yr deal like Cassell did, and he surely would.
edit: Didn't see revised number
No, like I said, a first and a later pick are likely worth $16m. I think it's true that if there are no suitors then Ted shouldn't do it. However, he can easily gauge that before making the move. Team will want to do it because then they have negotiating rights for a year.
They may not get anything back for him. The formula for compensatory picks is secret, but it's based on the "value" of players lost compared to the "value" of players signed. Even if he's has two great games, I don't know how much the formula would value that loss, considering he's on a team with a Super Bowl winning MVP and would never have a chance to start anyway. I'm not sure if it's a straight value based on what they sign for (which would help the Pack) or somehow performance based.
They only award compensatory picks in rounds 3-7, FYI.
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A first and a second for a career backup who's only started 2 games? No one's that crazy.
Right, which is why it's a bigger "risk" to simply let him walk. I don't care about Flynn and I don't care about the salary, I care about getting the most out of a valuable commodity. The way Ted Thompson operates, there is almost no risk to tagging Matt Flynn.
The only thing they would be giving up is HoFinley, and I do not want him on this team so to me that is a win. If Thompson all of a sudden said "hey, I'm going to go out and sign some DL talent" then I'd have a lot more consternation about the move. But that would be anathema to his modus operande. (Back in an office this morning, let's get fucking fancy!!)
Good thing there are "later rounds" after the second!
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Dan Snyder is licking his chops!DeaconKnowledge said:
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There is no round in the NFL draft that wouldn't make that a crazy deal.
a first and a 7th is still crazy.
Well, he has upped his value.
I'm ready to be talked out of it, honestly. When I first brought it up it was mostly troll joking...now I don't see a reason against it. What do the Packers (specifically the Packers, not a random team that would actually sign a free agent) lose?
Then he won't tag him. Simple. If there are no suitors then he won't do it. I'm sure he is throwing out lines as we speak though.
I just don't see you getting even a first. I'm not sure how compensatory picks work, but it may be better to have him just walk. They'll have to figure it out before they do anything, for sure.
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Flynn will be franchised. There are too many shit QBs in the league that this will happen. Some team will take the chance.
That's why Tim Tebow invented the telephone.
I'm just preparing you guys so you sound smart when some idiot in a bar starts guffawing about this move. It's gonna be brilliant!
If he is tagged, he gets $15 million for one year. How much extra money does it take for him to agree to be traded? Because he controls the process, since he can refuse to sign the extension once traded.
Will he agree to 3 yr 30 mill? I don't think he would
edit: by "figure it out", i meant the marketplace for his services, and was agreeing with that part of the quoted text
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Cap room for injuries.
the Steelers and the Packers have very similar philosophies when it comes to drafting and player development. They're both going to default to their guys before looking outside for free agents, and only grab pieces to round out their rosters. tying up your contingency money in a backup doesn't sit well with that philosophy. Even if they never ended up needing it, it's just a bad look.
Not to mention, there is a certain psychological impact to your backup making more than your Super Bowl winning franchise quarterback. It sends the wrong message to the team.
Right, and while the Cassel example is unique because of the closeness of the parties involved, it also set the precedent in terms of what teams and players are allowed to do to make the process work...basically anything. Based on those negotiations, Thompson, Snyder and Flynn's agent could all get together tomorrow and hammer out a deal that makes all parties happy. Then Washington can just take Blackmon.
Boom. Washington wins the East for the next 400 years.
Totally!! It's totally worth giving away picks for a player for absolutely no reason at all while at the same time forcing yourself into signing him to a catastrophically huge contract to justify the trade and hoping against hope his two game sample size isn't the result of being a system QB coming from the league's number one system QB team!
Why wouldn't you do it?!?! There is literally NO ONE else available!
I'm pretty sure that movie was about my University and the shitty football team it had (they got a new coach and won a bowl game first time this year after 40 years of nothing). Yes, there really is a piece of swampland in the middle of campus.
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