DeaconKnowledge
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Why would they get rid of Lovie?
Frankly, I think Bears' fans bitching about him is self entitlement.
NFL 2011 Wild Card |OT| Where Everyone Is In Like Flynn
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Why would they get rid of Lovie?
Frankly, I think Bears' fans bitching about him is self entitlement.
Wellington
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Falcons-Age, how is ATL's pass game as far as being a vertical threat? I see on NFL.com that they are 13th in the league with 56 plays of 20 or more yards, and 12th with 10 plays of over 40. Is that ball traveling in the air for most of it, or Roddy/Julio making things happen?
The Giants have a lot of trouble with stacked routes. The second Robinson TD was one -
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2012/01/giants-cowboys_game_review_gia.html
It's been killing us all year. Packers did a lot of it, the Cowboys as well, and the Saints are jedi masters of that shit. Does ATL ever line up Jones and White on the same side? If not, who is their slot guy and is he effective? (Douglas?)
I'm interested in seeing the offensive gameplan that ATL comes out with against us. me personally I'd stay up tempo and do a ton of short drop action and set up double moves for later in the game.
The Giants have a lot of trouble with stacked routes. The second Robinson TD was one -
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2012/01/giants-cowboys_game_review_gia.html
It's been killing us all year. Packers did a lot of it, the Cowboys as well, and the Saints are jedi masters of that shit. Does ATL ever line up Jones and White on the same side? If not, who is their slot guy and is he effective? (Douglas?)
I'm interested in seeing the offensive gameplan that ATL comes out with against us. me personally I'd stay up tempo and do a ton of short drop action and set up double moves for later in the game.
This is the NFL dude. The Packers would essentially be paying his signing bonus. The team that gets him would be "saddled" with nothing.
I get that argument, that it might be tough to find a suitor. However, I still don't see the reason it isn't worth the "risk" for the Packers.
As for cap room, I'm pretty sure they still have plenty of room given the guys that will walk, i.e. Grant and others, who won't be brought back. I haven't found a hard number on that though. Not enough to sign impact starters, but plenty to add depth.
thank god we got Jerry Angelo out of Chicago. Now let's clean house and get rid of life support Lovie.
Would be awesome
Would be awesome
Just get rid of Martz and Tice probably.
Made the playoffs once in 5 years (or once in 2 years, by his thinking). Aging defense, Martz likely out - probably best to bring in an offensive guy who can run the offense.
Lovie seems like the Wayne Fontes of the Bears - you know he's not that great of a coach, yet keeps doing just enough to save his job. At least Lovie took them to a Super Bowl.
I like Lovie. I'm just noting that GMs like to choose their own coaches. It's a tough dynamic when the coach predates the GM. You have to go out and find a guy who believes in team building the same way Lovie does, or it's just a problem waiting to happen
Getting close to rebuild time. But, let the new guy decide. I figure he'll keep Lovie around for a year to deflect some attention while he starts gutting.
Also, racists.
DeaconKnowledge
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Eh, frankly I don't particularly care what they do with the guy, I just don't think he's as bad as people complain with him.
Does he even make personnel decisions? The Bears have been saddled with either
Rex
No Wide Receivers
Injuries
For his entire tenure. Even with Rex they were a Super Bowl team, and until Cutler quit on them they had the chance to go to the Super Bowl twice in 5 years.
yankeehater
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Damn I am sad to see JA out with the Bears. If they get a real GM they might be in the mix for a FA WR. I really want the Eagles to get Vincent Jackson and Ted Ginn this offseason, so the less competition the better.
talisayNon
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Life's too short to get worked up over this bro, feel free to bump this post in March when it does/doesn't happen.
DeaconKnowledge
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You wanna trade one diva Jackson for another?
? Not specifically. Not sure who he even writes for. Mind a link?
I'm dead serious when I say I want to be talked out of this. It just feels dumb, but logically it isn't!
AngmarsKing701
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Why do you think Irsay let Polian go and not Caldwell yet? He doesn't want the stink on his hands of firing a black coach - let the new GM do that as part of a "I need my guy" deal.
Semi-serious.
the thing is the bears are like a year or 2 away from a major rebuild or overhaul of that defense. they've done a terrible job of drafting and developing players in the JA/Lovie Smith era. Look at how many draft picks they used every year on Safety and Defensive Line. The offense has major issues. Is lovie smith really the guy who we want overseeing that effort?
He's been a good coach for us over the years, but it's time to move on and clean house if we want to compete in the NFC North moving forward.
He's been a good coach for us over the years, but it's time to move on and clean house if we want to compete in the NFC North moving forward.
DeaconKnowledge
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Honest answer? Dungy.
yankeehater
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Yes. It is they way it goes with WRs. Eagles need a bigger guy that can be more of a threat in the redzone. DJax is great at stretching the field, but once they get inside the 20 he is invisible.
Oh cool. Even though this is completely incorrect and cannot in any way happen, good to know it's been figured out that no new contract is needed.
Not the point. The point is that Flynn will be getting guaranteed money that can hit the Packers cap, not the team he is traded to. Additionally, while a new contract is needed, little of it has to be guaranteed as he has already gotten the guaranteed money from GB. Or Flynn can refuse to negotiate an extension, sit on the bench, get a year older and hope that teams still have a raging boner for him when the Packers shuffle him behind Harrell in the depth chart.
He doesn't have the extreme leverage you seem to think he has. He still is unproven and while teams may be willing to give up draft picks on an unproven guy (hell, teams were supposed to lose on purpose for Luck and he's never thrown a pass) they are less likely to enter into long term guaranteed deals.
In short, yes finding the appropriate suitor is a problem however that is something Thompson can work out before tagging Flynn.
Ummm....
"If a deal were worked out between Flynn and the new team, it would have to be structured in such a way that it would not count against the Packers' salary cap because when Flynn signs it he's still a member of the Packers. The money Flynn would normally get through a signing bonus would be structured through guaranteed base salaries and roster bonuses."
I'm not sure that's the case. In the past, there have been ways that allowed teams to structure post-trade deals that would allow the trading team to take the cap hit, but maybe it's another new twist in the CBA? However, that's mostly semantics. The three parties can negotiate a deal in which Flynn gets no additional signing bonus, treats the $16m as such and signs a long term deal with incentives that will also act as a signing bonus. The end result is still exactly the same but limits the cap hit to the receiving team.
It's possible the NFLPA could step in a bitch, but I kind of doubt they will.
DeaconKnowledge
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Oh, also,
Let me take the opportunity to close the book on Carson Palmer. Or is he going to milk the injury that he got 5 years ago for another season?
Let me take the opportunity to close the book on Carson Palmer. Or is he going to milk the injury that he got 5 years ago for another season?
If Flynn signed a one-year franchise tag, and the Packers traded him, that whole salary would go with him. The team that traded for him could then re-work his deal.
Only signing bonuses are accelerated against a cap hit, but this would not be a signing bonus, it's a one-year salary.
Grover Cleveland
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According to the insiders, Martz is as good as gone.
Insiders have been wrong before, though.
But then my original point still stands, as either due to the existing guaranteed salary already present or to the draft picks (or whatever) given up in trade, take whichever, the receiving team is forced to sign Flynn, a potential franchise QB with a Kolb-esque sample size, to a large contract just to justify the whole process.
All at a time when there are 3-5 potential starting QB's in the draft with a new extremely favorable to signing rookie's CBA present.
People think losing the 2nd pick and DRC was what made the Kolb trade absolute trash. It wasn't. Remotely. It was the contract they gave him, and that was without the franchising factors that would accompany Flynn.
VJAX and Ted Ginn? In what fantasy world do you live in? We will lose DJAX and not sign any of the top WRs available in FA. Bet on that.
You know I really doubt this. I live in NYC and listen to NYC sports radio often enough to always hear from coaches to his teammates how he is the first one in and last one out. His limitations are talent based, but I really doubt he doesn't try.
And all this from Dilfer of all people? Yeah ok.
Mostly, however it limits his leverage to demand a massive deal which would require a huge financial sink in the future. They would still be able to sign him to a mostly non-guaranteed contract.
However, my point is that none of this is unknown. Thompson has free reign to determine the market for Flynn before doing any of this.
I haven't seen anyone else claiming there are 3-5 potential starting quarterbacks in this draft. Certainly not "sure things." After Luck and RGIII there are no expensive quarterbacks in this draft.
yankeehater
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We will see, but the Eagles do a great job of bringing in FAs and I expect that to continue this offseason. Returns were a huge problem, so I can see them going after someone to help that out, and they need to get better in the redzone, so if they dont bring DJax back they will go after another WR to replace him.
ZedIndyLil
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I thought this was a pretty funny opening paragraph:
http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/features/2011/nfl_2011/week_17/matt_flynn_packers_was_the_green_bay_backup_s_big_game_a_fluke_.html
http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/features/2011/nfl_2011/week_17/matt_flynn_packers_was_the_green_bay_backup_s_big_game_a_fluke_.html
For the most part it's been more Roddy, Julio, and Douglas runs after the catch. One of the big criticisms of Ryan and the offense is the lack of throwing the deep ball. Ryan just isn't very accurate throwing over 20-25 yards so you probably don't have much to worry about in that regard.
Mularkey does mix up formations. Sometimes you will see Roddy and Julio on the same side, sometimes you won't. HD is a decent slot guy when Ryan can find him.
I personally hope the gameplan is alot of running Turner and like you said short drops. I do know if we coming trying to throw the ball around like we are the Saints or Packers we are doomed. Our O-Line isn't up to the task of being constantly put in pass protection against your D-Line and few hits and free rushers impacts Ryan's judgement. Maybe we will actually see a fucking slant ran for once in this game.
He didn't do that much worse than your gimpy QB. In fact his 8.4 yards per attempt is actually really good. He did throw some bad picks and that trade was beyond horrid but I don't know what you're talking about regarding his injury. It was a terrible play made by a player for a team that houses players that to this day are dirty (Harrison, Ward).
It is sad though because he was a top five quarterback in the NFL before the injury.
Spectral Glider
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Because Rex thought it would be cool and fun if Plax went from being booted by the Giants to being accepted by the Jets. With Rex, Xs and Os aren't the most important thing, acting like a childish fuck is.
Looks like the Bears will be in Viking-land for the next few years. So Detroit and GB will have the conference to themselves?
If I were the Bears management, I would start feeling out Joe Philbin and see if he would consider the HC position. Also, Raheem Morris would make a good DC.
Poor Cutler, still behind that OL for another season.
If I were the Bears management, I would start feeling out Joe Philbin and see if he would consider the HC position. Also, Raheem Morris would make a good DC.
Poor Cutler, still behind that OL for another season.
I really hate that Romo went from being a cool gamble/unheralded qb, breath of fresh air compared to Bledsoe to now being treated like he was a top pick and the team is fully invested for the duration of his career. The man is far less accomplished than Mcnabb and nearly as old, why Dallas is sticking with him year after year is beyond me.
He had 31 TDs and 10 ints this year. And 31 - 35 isn't "nearly" as old in football QB years. McNabb is awful. There's no reason to hate on Romo this year, he isn't the reason that Dallas wasn't successful. Their coach is inexperienced, their secondary isn't very good, they've had a myriad of injuries and their ownership is a trainwreck.
Where will they get his replacement? And I think the management is convinced that with a couple of positions filled, Romo will blossom.
What would you rather they do? It's not like they have been in a position to upgrade. Who would you like to see them get?
I've got a pretty sweet deal on a barely used Matt Flynn if you're a serious buyer.
so he's a great fantasy qb, nothing I care about. He's terrible at protecting a lead, can't move the ball when they need to just do that. If they had a stat for 3 and outs with a lead, he'd be up at the top. I don't blame romo for everything, but he's been a consistent negative on this team and one they never address.
Chucking it deep on 3rd and 3 is like his trademark, sick of it.
Chucking it deep on 3rd and 3 is like his trademark, sick of it.
Well, I still think DJax is coming back, as I think he's done enough to convince the likes of Howie to ink that long-term deal (although, the shit that Holmes has gotten into lately might scare them off.) But if not, we'll definitely be out there for a capable replacement, either through FA or the draft, I'm sure of it.
And the redzone thing doesn't really bother me. Vick/Jax/Maclin/Avant/Cooper/Celek/Harbour/McCoy should in theory be more than enough necessary talent to score in that area. The problem is more on the coaching/play-calling end than anything.
But the returns problem is definitely a big area of concern that's been around for years. We've been reduced to the likes of Reno Mahe, Jorrick Calvin, Ellis Hobbs, Chad Hall, and Dion Lewis handling our KR duties with unsurprisingly mediocre results. So adding a Ginn (or a player with that dynamic return ability) to replace someone like a Steve Smith, wouldn't be a bad idea, but not sure if the FO would deem that a feasible add at what he'd cost.
darkside31337
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I honestly hope the Cowboys get rid of Romo just so Cowboys fans a year from now can look back to the Romo days and realize how wrong they were.
Cowboys roster, constructed the way it is now, without Tony Romo are a bottom 5 NFL team. They really are garbage on both sides of the ball and have garbage coaches on top of that.
DeaconKnowledge
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So yes. More milking.
Cool, I kind of agree with you on all of those things. I'm wondering what you would do to fix it.
Spectral Glider
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That's what makes you sick and not the fact that Dallas is being run by an old, ego inflated businessman who refuses to accept that just maybe other people are smarter than he is when it comes to building a football team?
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