Buckethead
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I'm sure that they'll offer him a small contract.
Packers have all the leverage.
Really? I think he takes a more modest contract. Clay needs a contract soon, right?
NFL 2011 Wild Card |OT| Where Everyone Is In Like Flynn
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I'm sure that they'll offer him a small contract.
Packers have all the leverage.
Why would he? How many people still active in the NFL have his track record? A handful at most.
Not a chance. He will quietly demand highest paid player type money and Ted will give it to him. Clay will be extended next year I imagine. If they don't use the franchise tag, they'll probably extend him this year. They might even extend Rodgers this year as well (if they don't make the bold move).
oh, I'm a complainer, I don't have answers!
I don't think most cowboys fans are against Romo. And I rooted for Babe Laufenberg, I know how bad it can get. I don't think much of the coaches either, but I don't want upheaval there right away. edit: wait, I'm supposed to look back fondly on 8-8? Or winning a division title and blowing it early in the playoffs? Or 6-10? He's already provided the full spectrum.
He has consistently amassed talented teams in his tenure as owner/GM. His decisions with coaches are another matter.
DeaconKnowledge
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I would.
I think Garret has been your biggest problem from the second he was hired ahead of Wade Phillips.
Buckethead
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What makes you say that? I think he can just curious as to your reasoning...
Brady wanted a smaller contract so it could be reinvested into the team but Kraft and Co. wouldn't have it. But Murphy is a douche so I hope he asks for all the money in Wisconsin and a kick in that guy's nuts in his new deal.
His yards per attempt were better than your boy Ben. Even with Ben having a much better receiving corp. No need to milk when Ben has a down season!
God damn you are gullible!
Rodgers will get paid because he will feel he has earned it. He does not strike me as the kind of person who will settle for anything less than what he has earned.
DeaconKnowledge
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He also threw 2 more picks despite playing 5 less games.
cuevas. PhD.
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I won't be satisfied until they say one of Jerry's minions won't be taking over.
Yeah I acknowledged that in my response. He made some really bad throws.
Don't know why you're hating on the guy though. Being a prima donna is standard in the NFL these days.
Buckethead
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Allegedly* ;(
And fair enough, I just think you could play the angle that he'd take less money if that meant helping the team. But outside of Clay's deal probably not much reason to do so...
But what do you think is more important: a ROLB opposite Clay or an ILB to replace Hawk? (dude's gone)
Personally I don't think he is that dumb. Would he be open to restructuring down the road? Probably. But the contract he signs now will be his biggest and he should make the most of it.
I'd like to see an ILB who can play in coverage personally. Completely sell out to stop the pass.
DeaconKnowledge
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I don't hate Carson Palmer, but he is the most massively overrated Quarterback in the league and whenever he is criticized for poor play someone always says "He was better before the injury".
The Leg injury he suffered was 5 years ago and he hasn't amounted to much of anything since. Then stupid Hue Jackson trades for him and massively overpays (even the one first was too much).
Carson Palmer goes to the Raiders and immediately starts bed shitting = "Oh, it's a new system". Continues sucking - "Oh, that injury.." Seriously?
Brady had a similar injury and his play actually improved. What's Carson's excuse?
cuevas. PhD.
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So they're right? Lol
You're right about that...somewhat. Romo has his issues, but it's hardly the worst thing the Cowboys have to contend with. He can be a good QB when necessary...(except that happens how often?).
As witnessed from the last few games, Romo hasn't been doing all that bad. It's more everybody else and the abysmal Defense. Seriously, I couldn't describe enough (or hear it enough from relatives) just how awful they've been. Especially the last several games.
Hell, at this point, the whole damn team needs tweaking. Shit ain't getting done otherwise.
Yeah...I'll grant you that, but some of his decisions have been VERY leery. Like when they brought in Roy Williams from Detroit who did pretty much shit.
That was pretty much pointless. And they've skipped over people in the draft that they needed/should've got (and thought they could do without...look how well that worked out).
And everybody hates his involvement with the damn coaching. Hell, my dad's convinced Garrett's basically a mouthpiece for Jones.
Mostly non-guaranteed? You mean aside from the $14m+ already right? It'd be pushing ~$20m guaranteed at least, aka. Kolb money. Hefty.
And I would say there are 4 in the draft that I would say equal or eclipse the possibility of starting caliber to Flynn, in Luck, RG, Jones and Tannehill. There is no such thing as a sure thing in any of these guys, but pulling Flynn out of GB comes with its own major risks as well.
Wrong system
I don't think we even disagree anymore. I also think you purposely didn't say Russell Wilson just to hurt me. End of the day my argument has evolved into "TT can float Flynn and if he gets a bite he will franchise." It's not a good move or a bad move until he can gauge the market, and none of us can really know that market.
that's why they need to completely clean house. that they said in the statement that they are "firing" jerry angelo, so that leads me to believe they aren't going to hire somebody like tim ruskell. why bring in somebody new with a 1 year lame duck coach?
Brady's a better QB and has better receivers in every position and a better offensive line. And Brady hasn't equaled that '07 season anyway.
What do you mean by "when necessary"? I think he's at his worst when his team just needs one damn first down with a lead for instance.
Buckethead
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Yeah. I think ILBs the more important spot.
If you had one of those, Capers could be more creative with Bishop.
I think Bishop is a stud - good at rushing the passer and stopping the run with a great nose for the ball. Coverage skills aren't bad. But he can't do it all and Hawk is terrible so counteracts Bishop's good play.
I think lack of pass rush is systemic of the terrible D-Line.
Get a respectable DE and that opens things up for both the ROLB and Clay. Even wifebeating scum like Walden had success because of Jenkins.
Spectral Glider
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Tomlin just confirmed that Clark will not play in Denver. Mundy starts.
DeaconKnowledge
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I don't know who Tomlin thought he was fooling implying that Clark would play.
Kinda what i'm getting at here.
I guess it's mostly those 4th Quarter "hurry-up" situations. He can get the ball down the field in a pretty impressive amount of time, but they have major issues trying to score from those.
That's about the only thing it would apply to though.
Or maybe I haven't woke up this morning...no idea.
I disagree. I think he is just a guy but he's serviceable. He plays hard, which is nice.
I guess it's mostly those 4th Quarter "hurry-up" situations. He can get the ball down the field in a pretty impressive amount of time, but they have major issues trying to score from those.
That's about the only thing it would apply to though.
Or maybe I haven't woke up this morning...no idea.
oh yeah, he consistently moves the ball between the 30's in hurry up situations.
Right, how would Dilfer know any of this? He's not around the team, doesn't cover them, so it sounds like he's painting his own story. It could be true, but not because that dude has a beat on what's going on with the Jets. Dude is throwing shit on the wall.
Edit: Someone should ask Dilfer if he's speaking from experience. You were fucking trash, was it because of film study?
cuevas. PhD.
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Lovie is a good coach. He's the anti Rex Ryan and Norv Turner.
bears are cheap and maybe don't want to eat his last year on the contract. i wish they just blew it up and started over with some inspired hires.
Buckethead
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Disagree with your disagree. Perfect for the scheme and generally makes plays and tackles when they're needed.
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Yup, that's pretty much exactly what I was saying. He's a good fit. Glad he is there. I don't think he is special. Just a system guy, like Aaron Rodgers.
As usual you are optimistic whereas I have just resigned myself to expect the worst. The Eagles FO/Reid regime has shown no great ability to lose key veterans and replace them with just as good if not better players. They also don't seem to care very much about the WR position. Sure they finally got it right with DJAX and Maclin but lets not forget how they settled with Kevin Curtis to replace TO.
Eagles do a great job of bringing FA yes but rarely do they go all out like they did this past off season. They target the 1-2 players they really like and usually get them. But it all depends on which position they value and don't. If the past (10+ years) are any indication they would much rather not pay DJAX, let him walk, and replace him with a WR who is either #2 or #3 on another team but young and fast.
So if they let go of DJAX I would hope and pray they go after Bowe or VJAX but I just don't see it. Returns are another area which they never seem to address. How many years of Mahe did we get? Again with DJAX they hit pay dirt for once at both WR and PR. KR still sucks. I see them drafting a CB or RB in the 4th or 5th round who they will stick back there.
The redzone problems are more due to forgetting to use both McCoy and Ronnie Brown more, running the ball more, and DJAX being a dickhead thinking about his contract. They didn't have redzone issues last year really.
While I do agree with you that its an area of concern and improvement, the new rules really limit how much you can do there even if you are a decent KR. I rather use whatever resources, draft picks, and money they have on the defensive side. These past four games are truly a mirage. Yeah the players played better but they beat up on 4 bad, if not terrible, offenses. Do you today think that if this team had to play the Packers, Saints, or Patriots they would not get torched? In fact the last good offense they played was the Pats and they torched us.
We still need to decide what to do with Asante. Ideally I would like to keep him but his age and contract will dictate his exit. DRC was mediocre as a nickel back so they will look to move him back to his natural position. Hopefully they do bring in a real DC so he can manage that better.
They still need upgrades at LB. All three of the starters could be replaced. An upgrade over Coleman at safety would be nice.
On the list of wants/needs I would place KR way below everything.
Lurie is supposed to talk today at 230pm. While I wish they would announce Juan's firing, I bet its nothing more than PR speak about how he is disappointed too, the season was a failure, Reid will be back, they are all in, we will get the ring next year, and how awesome Banner is.
FrenchMovieTheme
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Flynn is kolb 2.0. He puts up good #s against 2 of the worst defenses in the history of sports and niw he should be tagged/traded? Lulz, please do this seachickens!
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Skip is cracking me the hell up on First take this morning defending Tebow....LMAO!
had also had this look on his face when he yelled out.
"I'M NOT DEFENDING TIM TEEEBOW"
I mean you can talk all the shit you want but the reality is Tim Tebow was the QB of a team that made the playoffs that started 1-4 before he was inserted as the starter. That's awfully impressive even if he himself wasn't.
If I was Skip I'd be boasting like crazy. Three game losing streak? Who cares.
Question who is going to be dumb and be Arizona 2.0?
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Isn't Flynns contract up after this year?
Buckethead
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Oh my God. Not enough :jnc's.
FrenchMovieTheme
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yes, that is why everyone is talking about a franchise tag. why else would they need to use it?
:lol
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