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[Futurevoid]

This is a game. The Steelers do this all the time. He didn't have any setback; he wouldn't have said it that openly if he did.

How dare you doubt the honesty and forthright nature of a recently married man who has found god?!

Part of me wants it to be true and for the Broncos to put up a fight and even win so the Tebow slobbering can continue. The other part of me wants the legend of Tebow destroyed once and for all by "I eat babies" Harrison. The internal struggle is strong...

 

[Goro Majima]

If the Packers franchise Flynn, aren't they potentially on the hook to have to pay him the average of the top 6 paid QBs in the league or something? Isn't that really, really dumb?

I think the new CBA did something with the price of a franchise tag.

edit: Oh yeah, the greater of the average of the last 5 years or 120% of salary.

 

[snesfreak]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo

:jnc

 

[Narag]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo

It's so true.

 

[Sanjuro]

If the Packers franchise Flynn, aren't they potentially on the hook to have to pay him the average of the top 6 paid QBs in the league or something? Isn't that really, really dumb?

Yes/No. It's dumb if there isn't a large market of teams looking for a solid quarterback. Sure, he hasn't had a season like Cassel had a few seasons ago. Worst case scenario, you don't get as much back for him as you believed and he is dealt. You're still going to get a draft pick and a position player out of it.

I believe his contract will be around 13-15 million for a single season.

 

[Kosmo]

Comparing Kolb to Flynn is silly. Again, most teams would take the bait with Flynn. He has looked fantastic when on the field. One year with him at absurd money, then either don't resign him or extend him to a healthy contract. He has shown more than Kolb ever had during his overrated peak.

What team is going to have Green Bay's receivers? Kolb had 2 legit receivers at a tight end when he played for the Eagles andi n Arizona he basically has Fitz, which is a part of his problem.

 

[themadcowtipper]

If the Packers franchise Flynn, aren't they potentially on the hook to have to pay him the average of the top 6 paid QBs in the league or something? Isn't that really, really dumb?

Flynn is probabl going to wait and see what Brees signs for, then ask for a couple million more.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Yes/No. It's dumb if there isn't a large market of teams looking for a solid quarterback. Sure, he hasn't had a season like Cassel had a few seasons ago. Worst case scenario, you don't get as much back for him as you believed and he is dealt. You're still going to get a draft pick and a position player out of it.

I believe his contract will be around 13-15 million for a single season.

can the team that gets him scratch that single season salary if they work out a long term deal with him? I thought that's what happened with Cassel?

 

[Sanjuro]

What team is going to have Green Bay's receivers? Kolb had 2 legit receivers at a tight end when he played for the Eagles andi n Arizona he basically has Fitz, which is a part of his problem.

That isn't how you should evaluate a quarterback. Flynn had it easier than most, but he certainly looked poised at the position. Maybe I'm selling him a bit too high, but I still think this is a league with many teams looking for a potential QB solution.

can the team that gets him scratch that single season salary if they work out a long term deal with him? I thought that's what happened with Cassel?

I believe so. Cassel had more credentials to take the risk on a longer contract. Flynn still might bite at a lesser/longer deal. It's all about keeping that money coming in consistently for these guys. So instead of 13-15 million, maybe 10-11/6/4 or something like that?

 

[Mrbob]

can the team that gets him scratch that single season salary if they work out a long term deal with him? I thought that's what happened with Cassel?

Yes. This is why GB would franchise tag Flynn. If they don't Flynn can just walk away and be a free agent.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

depends on where he goes. I mean, even if Flynn is good, if he goes to say the Redskins, with a so-so at best offensive line, over the hill coaching staff, and literally 2 decent skill position players who's best days aren't behind them (Helu and Fred Davis) he will be sent out to die.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

depends on where he goes.

No it doesn't. He won't be as good anywhere else. Only the Packers have that receiving corps.

 

[Owzers]

I want to see Tebow throw on first down Sunday, just a quick toss to a tight end or something....anything other than a deep pass on 3rd down and 8.

i look forward to watching the Lions, Giants, and Broncos though, not banking my entire playoff enjoyment on a Fox coached game.

 

[Sanjuro]

If we are going to base a quarterback's talent strictly around the receiving core then I'm going to go out on a limb and say Flynn is a better quarterback than Mark Sanchez. In the two games I've watched him play well, he could at least handle a complicated offense where Sanchez can't even run a mediocre one.

 

[Striker]

No it doesn't. He won't be as good anywhere else. Only the Packers have that receiving corps.

He had Jordy Nelson and who else? He had one play that went 80 yards because of blocking and Grant's YAC. He's good but the Lions defense being dog shit did him some favors.

The system they provide is among the best in the league, moreso than the talent. The receivers are always open it seems.

 

[themadcowtipper]

No it doesn't. He won't be as good anywhere else. Only the Packers have that receiving corps.

Maybe the Saints decide to upgrade their average QB play by signing Flynn.

 

[Wellington]

kind of true. Its the Nicks effect. How many times has this happened to the giants? Steve Smith has good year, nicks beasts on the other side of him. Nicks beasts...but Nicks is very good so they kind of can't stop him. Other side of nicks for a season Manningham has a good season and over inflates his worth which is why he's still with the Giants.

Cruz can go two ways: They start planning for him (but he's in the slot, so how effective is that?) and he starts to suck or he's a welker type and keeps on chugging since he is pretty fast and isn't afraid of the middle.

Wah, without even checking again I saw him doubled most of Sunday night. Specifically, he was doubled all night after the 74 yard TD.

He was also frequently bracketed against the Jets and Skins. Did you watch the games or are you just talking hearsay and conjecture?

 

[squicken]

Big Ben suffers a setback:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/39636/roethlisberger-suffers-little-setback

Steelers should have been firm and not let him play. High ankle sprain killed Bradford's season b/c they didn't let it heal. He blustered his way in to coming back early as well. So stupid. What are paying doctors and trainers for if the player can just come back too early and ruin his and his team's season?

 

[Fox318]

I'm considering chaining myself to Metlife stadium and going on a hunger strike until they fire Schotty.

Thoughts?

 

[Greg]

Proven against what, two of the worst d's? You thought Kolb was a sure thing too huh?

Let's play a game! One of these stat lines belong to Flynn and his single start against the Lions. The other belongs to Cutler through 2 combined starts against the Lions:

#1

37/57
372yds
1TD

#2

31/44
480yds
6TD

Highlight to reveal the answer:

Spoiler

______:jnc______

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I'm considering chaining myself to Metlife stadium and going on a hunger strike until they fire Schotty.

Thoughts?

Bring a fuckin snack.

 

[brentech]

Worst case scenario if TT decided to franchise him: he gets stuck footing the bill. Not a big deal to the Packers as a whole, since we don't sit near the cap. Only real problem is you have your backup making more than the starter, but the two are genuinely friends. This isn't the Favre/Rodgers relationship.

Best case scenario if TT decided to franchise him: a team gives up a 1st and maybe a late round pick. Is it foolish, probably, but it's proven that teams are stupid and will give up their wives to BigBen if they think they might turn their team around. I don't personally find it smart, but we're beyond practical matters.

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Worst case scenario if TT doesn't tag him: He walks and we get a 4th round compensatory pick (unlikely, but maybe a 3rd if a team pays him big). It could be worse if we actually sign someone, but that's not likely given TT's M.O.

Best case scenario if TT doesn't tag him: He decides he wants to stay in GB with his pal and get some more rings as a quality backup.

 

[BigAT]

I'm considering chaining myself to Metlife stadium and going on a hunger strike until they fire Schotty.

Thoughts?

Pray that Jacksonville's management is somehow even stupider than the Jets' and gives him a head coaching job?

 

[Futurevoid]

Roddy's comments on Cruz seemed mostly complimentary anyway so much ado about nothing:

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2012/01/falcons_wr_roddy_white_says_vi.html

 

[cuevas. PhD.]

no i'm not. lovie was part of the problem and he should have been shipped out with angelo. he was involved with the decision making with the bad draft picks and not developing talent. unless the bears as an organization are happy to settle for mediocrity then i guess lovie's been a good head coach. 3 trips to the playoffs in 8 years isn't cutting it in my opinion, and only once in 5 years.

How dare Lovie not develop players like Juaquin Iglesias?!

 

[Kosmo]

Let's play a game! One of these stat lines belong to Flynn and his single start against the Lions. The other belongs to Cutler through 2 combined starts against the Lions:

#1


#2


Highlight to reveal the answer:

Spoiler

______:jnc______

Rodgers last 2 full games against Lions (since he sat one out and we knocked him out in the other:

34/50
488 Yards
5 TDs / 2 INTs

So Flynn is twice the QB.

 

[Milchjon]

Wait, the Cardinals went 6-2 with Skelton? Why is nobody talking about that, even if most of the wins came against rather bad teams?

 

[storybook77]

Roddy's comments on Cruz seemed mostly complimentary anyway so much ado about nothing:

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2012/01/falcons_wr_roddy_white_says_vi.html

A quote taken out of the context of the whole conversation? Surely you jest!

:jnc

 

[Striker]

http://deadspin.com/5873059/jets-backup-qb-greg-mcelroy-slams-selfish-teammates-in-radio-interview

:lol Jets.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Wait, the Cardinals went 6-2 with Skelton? Why is nobody talking about that, even if most of the wins came against rather bad teams?

.

 

[captive]

I'm considering chaining myself to Metlife stadium and going on a hunger strike until they fire Schotty.

Thoughts?

at least, while you're there, you'll get to see a new york team in the playoffs.

 

[Greg]

Rodgers last 2 full games against Lions (since he sat one out and we knocked him out in the other:

34/50
488 Yards
5 TDs / 2 INTs

So Flynn is twice the QB.

Packers-GAF have been saying that since the beginning of the season!

Spoiler

And Harrell is twice the QB of Flynn, although it's a more recent revelation.

 

[darkside31337]

Wait, the Cardinals went 6-2 with Skelton? Why is nobody talking about that, even if most of the wins came against rather bad teams?

Yeah.

 

[Futurevoid]

http://deadspin.com/5873059/jets-bac...adio-interview

:lol Jets.

Francessa's interview with Tennenbaum today at 5:00pm should be EPIC.

 

[Milchjon]

.

Well, Tebow mostly beat bad teams, too. And Skelton did beat the Niners.

But you made me go back and look at his stats. Nevermind...

 

[squicken]

Wait, the Cardinals went 6-2 with Skelton? Why is nobody talking about that, even if most of the wins came against rather bad teams?

Two of those wins were from the Rams' wonderful genius coaches repeatedly kicking to Patrick Peterson and letting him return game winning punts. The more I reflect on Spags' awful decision making, the more I'd be wary to hire him as a DC. It really is nice to have those monsters that the Giants seem to turn up over and over on the DL

 

[eznark]

If the Packers franchise Flynn, aren't they potentially on the hook to have to pay him the average of the top 6 paid QBs in the league or something? Isn't that really, really dumb?

It's only dumb if they had planned to spend that money elsewhere, which (unless TT has a complete change of heart regarding how to run a team) they do not. I'm estimating they will have roughly $25 million in cap space. With Flynn eating $14.5 of that, they still have plenty of room to pay Wells and sign their draft picks.

Also, where were you fuckers yesterday when I was having this discussion with basically myself? I laid it all out then!

Rodgers last 2 full games against Lions (since he sat one out and we knocked him out in the other:

34/50
488 Yards
5 TDs / 2 INTs

So Flynn is twice the QB.

Finally you people are starting to get it!

 

[Corran Horn]

.

We still talk about the Patriots

 

[chuckddd]

Worst case scenario if TT decided to franchise him: he gets stuck footing the bill. Not a big deal to the Packers as a whole, since we don't sit near the cap. Only real problem is you have your backup making more than the starter, but the two are genuinely friends. This isn't the Favre/Rodgers relationship.

Best case scenario if TT decided to franchise him: a team gives up a 1st and maybe a late round pick. Is it foolish, probably, but it's proven that teams are stupid and will give up their wives to BigBen if they think they might turn their team around. I don't personally find it smart, but we're beyond practical matters.

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Worst case scenario if TT doesn't tag him: He walks and we get a 4th round compensatory pick (unlikely, but maybe a 3rd if a team pays him big). It could be worse if we actually sign someone, but that's not likely given TT's M.O.

Best case scenario if TT doesn't tag him: He decides he wants to stay in GB with his pal and get some more rings as a quality backup.

What's wrong with tagging him and then getting a second round pick? Isn't that still an upgrade over the third round compensatory? And aren't the compensatory picks at the end of the round? Heck, get a regular third round pick and they still come out on front. The only real issue here is making sure someone is willing to trade for Flynn and foot his bill. Otherwise, yes, tag him. Unless GB wants to secure Finley, then let Flynn walk and take the compensatory.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

We still talk about the Patriots

Hush Aaron Rodgers.

 

[brentech]

It's only dumb if they had planned to spend that money elsewhere, which (unless TT has a complete change of heart regarding how to run a team) they do not. I'm estimating they will have roughly $25 million in cap space. With Flynn eating $14.5 of that, they still have plenty of room to pay Wells and sign their draft picks.

Also, where were you fuckers yesterday when I was having this discussion with basically myself? I laid it all out then!



Finally you people are starting to get it!

Yeah, in all honesty, I foresee him walking. If TT has the slightest bit of doubt, he won't tag him. I think he walks and we hope for a decent compensation pick....which TT will then twice-trade down and get 3 picks for. All in the 6th and 7th round.

 

[RBH]

Tebow accidentally referred to James Harrison as Rodney Harrison during his press conference just now. :lol

 

[Spectral Glider]

Wait, the Cardinals went 6-2 with Skelton? Why is nobody talking about that, even if most of the wins came against rather bad teams?

Because they're an average, at best, team with little national following that plays in a bad division?

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

We still talk about the Patriots

Brofist.

 

[LJ11]

I'm considering chaining myself to Metlife stadium and going on a hunger strike until they fire Schotty.

Thoughts?

They're not going to shitcan him while he's interviewing, bet he gets the boot after. No way they keep him around.

 

[Milchjon]

We still talk about the Patriots

Well, we talked about the Niners last year too, when it took them 16 games to get to 6 wins, when their opponents were arguably even worse.

Also, I guess the main reason is that there's only one Cardinals fan left, I think.

 

[harSon]

Tebow accidentally referred to James Harrison as Rodney Harrison during his press conference just now. :lol

To be fair, most black people do look similar.

 

[eznark]

Yeah, in all honesty, I foresee him walking. If TT has the slightest bit of doubt, he won't tag him. I think he walks and we hope for a decent compensation pick....which TT will then twice-trade down and get 3 picks for. All in the 6th and 7th round.

The reality of the compensation pick is that it's essentially a 4th round pick as it's a sandwich slot after the 3rd round. It's nearly valueless. Maybe we'll get Russell Wilson and slot him into the Hall of Fame machine.

I'm guessing that regardless of market interest, Thompson will tag Flynn. The draft is garbo in terms of Packers "needs" so I see Thompson trading out of the first day almost completely (if he can) and stockpiling guys on the defensive front seven. Then, when glass-ass brittle bitches like Cutler and Stafford get broken during the full pre-season, he will ship his system-QB (I mean Hall of Fame!!) ass to them for 2013 picks.

Or he will eat the contract. The best part about being a fan of the 13 time defending world champion super bowl champion Green Bay motherfucking Champion Packers is that money is simply not an issue. Championship teams are built by the genius of Ted Thompson and the system of Mike McCarthy.

Flynn and the Packups clowned a playoff team fighting for position. Trot that scrub practice squab bunch out there next year and they easily win 13 games.

 

[cuevas. PhD.]

To be fair, most black people do look similar.

Or they are both dirty as fuck.

 

[Corran Horn]

Was this ever posted? Playoff team records against other playoff teams

Here are the records:

Green Bay 6-0
Baltimore 6-0
New Orleans 5-1
San Francisco 4-1
Houston 3-2
Pittsburgh 3-4
New England 1-2
Denver 1-3
NY Giants 1-3
Atlanta 1-4
Detroit 1-5
Cincinnati 0-7

Poor bengals lol