NFL Super Bowl XLVI |OT| Matchup More Unwanted Than Madonna's Halftime Show

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Nemesis121 said:
Eli as a kid i never saw this, kid was a ball hog...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBcUI-2jzq4&feature=related
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He still runs the same.

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If Peyton goes to Baltimore or SF it would be the best thing to happen to flacco or smiths careers and it woul be in their best interests to will fully accept the backup role under him and take a pay cut.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
would we have been 13-3 if alex threw the ball 40 times a game and just let it loose? i don't know, but considering the season we had this year i'll go with what was working
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I agree though I think we'd agree that both options aren't mutually exclusive. I think the Niners offense could have been more aggressive against our defense at times without having Alex throw it up 40 times.

Something I didn't comment on during the game but having watched it again last night - I really disliked the play calling and handling of the offense at the end of the half by the Niners. Letting the clock run down from 2:40 to the two minute warning without running a play and then the sequence of plays after just baffled me. It would have made more sense had the Niners been getting the ball back after the half but it was Giants ball.

I understand the Niners play a field position/ball control type of offense and that formula has worked but if there was ever a time to attack a bit more, it would have been in that final 3:00 minutes with a decent two minute drill to go into the half with a bit of momentum.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
the problem with listing 10 QB's better this season is that people won't be able to differentiate "this season" from "career". so if i say "was alex smith better than phillip rivers?" you will say "wtf no!" because of rivers past and alex's past. but was alex better than rivers this sesaon? yep.

doesn't matter though. alex is a good fit for our offense and i expect him to improve with a full off-season and maybe we pick up a guy like dwayne bowe or another WR. alex had weapons but come on, name me a QB that's going to put up 4k+ yards and 30+ td's with these wr's:

1. Michael Crabtree
2. Kyle Williams
3. Ted Ginn
4. Brett Swain
5. Joe Hastings

i don't want to make excuses for him because lots of QB's have to deal with lots of different things. my point is i don't have to make excuses for him. the guy went 13-3, had a grand total of 7 turnovers all year (INT's and lost fumbles combined), had a 90 QB rating and had 6 4th quarter comeback wins. give him some credit
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While overall I agree with you, his low INT #s are also because he doesn't risk any throws into tight coverage. He only throws to guys who are WIDE open. Of course the 49ers need upgrades at WR, but they alone weren't holding back the offense. Some analysts broke down tape and there were at least 3-4 plays where Alex Smith had time and had WRs oepn but he just was hesitant to throw into tight windows or just missed the open guys.

If they add a Bowe or one of the Jackson's the 49ers will have provided Alex Smith every single tool a QB can possibly hope for. Smart coach that has his team playing the right way, running game, WRs, and a great D.
 
LevelNth said:
Are there any other good WR prospects for the first round the Niners could pick? We're 30th so they'd have to fall a bit.

It'd be great if one of them was also a returner.
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There are always a shitload of great receivers in every draft, but you have to be able to spot them and more importantly coach them up.

See the Steelers for an example of what I am talking about. The only receiver we took in the last 5 years in the first round was Holmes (who we can agree worked out). Everyone else was in the 3rd round or lower. Now we just need to use that same magic and start drafting some blue chippers on defense as well.

I think the only bust we had was Sweed, and I can't remember what round he was taken. I want to say 3rd or 4th, but whatever the pick was it was wasted.
 
bionic77 said:
See the Steelers for an example of what I am talking about. The only receiver we took in the last 5 years in the first round was Holmes (who we can agree worked out). Everyone else was in the 3rd round or lower. Now we just need to use that same magic and start drafting some blue chippers on defense as well.
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It's way harder to find elite prospects on D out of the 1st-2nd round. Damn near impossible.
 
Case said:
It's way harder to find elite prospects on D out of the 1st-2nd round. Damn near impossible.
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Well, I wouldn't say it's impossible. Obviously there are a lot of factors involved in finding guys, their level of maturity at the college game, how they were coached there vs. how they are coached at the pro game. When football becomes your livelihood and you're in a job where strength and conditioning become who/what you are, your body obviously changes from when you're 21 vs. 25 and later.

I just skimmed a few of the drafts from 2002-2005, focusing on the 3rd round or later, looking for D prospects. Obviously we can all debate elite status, and there will be the typical "are you nuts, he's garbo" responses.

But at least a short list:
Lance Briggs - 3rd round
Asante Samuel - 4th round
Robert Mathis - 4th round
Jared Allen - 4th round
Justin Tuck - 3rd round
Trent Cole - 5th round

I'm sure if you perused the drafts from 2006 through last year you'd find a few as well. So it's not impossible, but I'd certainly agree that finding an "elite" d-man that low in the draft is something that you'll get only with that player's commitment to becoming elite and having a coaching staff put some hours into making him better than he was at the college game. I could certainly argue that in hindsight, the list above would all have gone in earlier rounds had GMs known what they'd become.
 
jakncoke said:
Quick question, does Alshon Jeffrey like taco bell as much as Josh Freeman? Cause they both fat fuckers :me
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Even more so. He could drop to the second round after beginning the season as the expected #1 WR off the board. His 40 time could be in the 4.6 region. He has good hands but seperation is going to be an issue.
 
Wes said:
Even more so. He could drop to the second round after beginning the season as the expected #1 WR off the board. His 40 time could be in the 4.6 region. He has good hands but seperation is going to be an issue.
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Alshon was hurt by College Football having the "3 years out of high school before you can leave for the NFL" rule. If he'd left after Year 2, easy 1st rounder. Maybe he still goes 1st round now, but the weight is an issue.
 
bionic77 said:
There are always a shitload of great receivers in every draft, but you have to be able to spot them and more importantly coach them up.

See the Steelers for an example of what I am talking about. The only receiver we took in the last 5 years in the first round was Holmes (who we can agree worked out). Everyone else was in the 3rd round or lower. Now we just need to use that same magic and start drafting some blue chippers on defense as well.

I think the only bust we had was Sweed, and I can't remember what round he was taken. I want to say 3rd or 4th, but whatever the pick was it was wasted.
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Sadly, Sweed was a 2nd rounder.
 
Futurevoid said:
Perry Fewell breaks down how to build an 8 man box with Brian Billick. Discusses the Giants four man front and the different techniques they play along with the difference between the way he implements a SAM and WILL linebacker. Good, informative stuff.

http://msn.foxsports.com/video/shows/coach-speak?vid=3f764b4a-0e60-45b0-a007-580a0cc1b5f1
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Man, that really makes you appreciate the thought that goes into various schemes

Also, I wonder what exactly changed in the latter part of the season and the familiar playoff run the Giants are pulling off? A lot of times in the regular season the D just looked deflated and the secondary was straight awful at times. But it seems when pressure is applied the whole group rises up to the challenge. I guess I answered my own question but I wonder of Coughlin and Fewell tinkered with anything but that still begs the question of what it is that was done that wasn't working in the mid to latter part of the season.
 
BlueTsunami said:
Man, that really makes you appreciate the thought that goes into various schemes

Also, I wonder what exactly changed in the latter part of the season and the familiar playoff run the Giants are pulling off? A lot of times in the regular season the D just looked deflated and the secondary was straight awful at times. But it seems when pressure is applied the whole group rises up to the challenge. I guess I answered my own question but I wonder of Coughlin and Fewell tinkered with anything but that still begs the question of what it is that was done that wasn't working in the mid to latter part of the season.
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Swag.
 
brentech said:
Swag.
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Yup.

Beyond that though, there has been a lot of talk about Fewell simplifying the defense towards the end of the season. It seems like they run more man coverage, which the Giants' corners are significantly better suited for, now than they were earlier in the year. There has also been numerous reports about the secondary working harder on their preparation now. Getting together three nights a week outside of practice to do film study now whereas they were only doing it one night a week through much of the season. Also, swag.
 
Remember when Welli was complaining about bailout blitzes that hung the secondary out to dry?

I think Fewell stopped doing that.
 
BigAT said:
Beyond that though, there has been a lot of talk about Fewell simplifying the defense towards the end of the season.
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Coughlin and Fewell won't admit it, but he absolutely did to an extent. All of the players will tell you they they cut the playbook down (some already have in interviews). Took out some of the more exotic coverages that could have been run had we had the personnel but in dealing with all of the injuries, it was necessary. I wish I had game tape to look at.:( From a broadcast view, it doesn't seem like the Giants are trying to disguise their coverages as much either but without seeing what the secondary is doing it's hard to support that with evidence.

Frankly, it should have been done sooner but I'm not complaining at the moment.;)

Talon- said:
I think Fewell stopped doing that.
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He's also reduced the use of the three man rush. It's still there but there was a time when every damn 3rd and long would lead to a conversion because of a three man rush combined with the corners playing 10 yards off. The improvement in 3rd downs has been one of the key improvements on the defensive side of the ball in the playoffs.


EDIT: Update:

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NFL now has announced its clubs have agreed to a new contract with Roger Goodell that extends his term as commissioner through 2018 season.
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I was wondering, would more people watch the Pro Bowl if the game was more like the NHL All Star game has been in the past two years? I know I'd be interested to watch.
 
rhfb said:
I was wondering, would more people watch the Pro Bowl if the game was more like the NHL All Star game has been in the past two years? I know I'd be interested to watch.
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I think more people would watch if it played out like an actual game instead of this:
No motion or shifting by the offense
Offense must have a tight end in all formations
Offense can’t have 3 receivers on a side
Intentional grounding is legal
Defense must run a 4-3 at all times
No press coverage except inside the 5 yard line
No blitz
Not allowed to rush a Punt, PAT or FG attempt
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If the game was played like a real game and so many superstars wouldn't back out it might be a good watch. Oh and doing the events again would nice(maybe they still do them but I haven't noticed them in awhile) Remember a couple years ago Vince Young made the pro bowl cause so many qb's declined lol. Yeah shit like that sours a fans stomach and makes a person not wanna watch a shitty product.
 
squicken said:
Peter King's podcast. That's really the only noteworthy part of the whole thing, though he likes the Iowa OT over Kalil

If there's any guy who people are getting excited about, it's Weeden. But he's actually a week older than Rodgers. I wonder where he'll be drafted. I'm not even sure that's a concern. Not like he'll decline while under the rookie contract.
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So that's two former NFL personnel men that have him ahead, wonder where the scouting services have him, at least initially.

Weeden has Jets written all over him, felt this way for a while now. Bet they take a shot at him, especially since they want someone to push Sanchez.
 
My wife just told me that she got me a PSV. I am so excited. Anyone else getting the first edition bundle? It sucks that it is the 3G model, but getting it a week early and with a memory card and game is nice. I hope that 4gigs will be big enough to last me a while.
 
Man, Pey Pey going scorched earth on these interviews:

“There’s a reason Eli and [Giants offensive coordinator Kevin] Gilbride have been together for so long, because Gilbride has called good plays and Eli has played well. Me and Tom Moore earned the right to stay together. It’s a compliment to Eli and Gilbride. If you call good plays and it’s working, they shouldn’t want to fire you,” Manning said.
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The Colts, of course, fired Moore.

Speaking of being at the Colts' facility, etc:

“It’s not the kind of environment you like to be in. It was fun to get out of town,” Manning said.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/25/s...rs-defender.html?_r=3&pagewanted=2&ref=sports

Yikes.
 
His contract expired and the Colts didnt offer him a new one. He tried to get another job but no one else wanted him either. The Colts wanted someone younger in that spot. Peyton complaining about that seems like he is just looking for something to complain about.
 
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