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[Maleficence]

Not really controversial, in my opinion, since One Piece left Naruto and Bleach in the dust years ago. I'm still surprised at how much fun the series is, and I love that you can still tell Oda loves what he does in his work.

I know it's not controversial, I was merely responding to posts like these:

I only read mangas, but to me it;s because One Piece is a comedy that tries to be shonen and fails at it. The characters are caricatures, their powers are just rotfl-worthy and the whole series is just plain silly. Which isn't bad, but I kind of do expect exciting combat from shonen and the silliness of One Piece makes it impossible for me to take anything in it seriously. Not to mention OP art is horrendous.

The art isn't horrendous at all, Oda isn't as good at straight up drawing than say Tite, but his actual art has a hell of a lot more personality and detail than Bleach. Bleaches fights are typical power level bullshit, and his battle art is absolutely awful. His fights are a series of blank pages and off-page attacks.

How does it fail to be shonen? How is it any sillier than Bleach or Naruto?

The storytelling and characters in One Piece are far superior to anything recent in Bleach or Naruto, I really can't see your perspective at all.

One Piece also has some of the most interesting fights in history, since it's not all about bullshit power levels like DBZ. Naruto used to have this but barely does anymore, and Bleach has barely ever had this.

 

[rpmurphy]

I haven't really watched a new anime series in years and none of them really look that interesting to watch. I'm not too interested in getting back into the typical shonen stuff (robots, samurai, sports, etc.), have no interest in the high school life genre, and the fanservice stuff just don't appeal to me at all.

 

[PdotMichael]

One Piece would be a lot better without all the silly shonen fights.

 

[Typographenia]

See, I was expecting more of THIS kind of talk when I clicked the thread.

Instead it's a bunch of people saying "x" is better than "y" and then others "nuh uh". Where's the controversy?

Your Favorite Anime™ is far worse than you ever could have possibly imagined. Not only does it fail to deliver on every front in the initial setup, but the characters are cookie cut-outs or straight copies of well loved, well covered characters in other franchises and mediums. The art direction is passable, at best and makes my eyes vomit blood at its worst. The music is forgettable, and you can even get the sense that the staff wanted to hide it, as evidenced by the screeching voice deliveries (in both the dub and sub) that they recorded. There is too much lazy, sexual imagery thrown on screen for young boys, not enough robots, too much fighting, not enough chibi/cutesy moments, not enough boobs/panty shots, too many robots, not enough fight scenes, and too much cutesy crap.

In spite of this, everyone seems to love Your Favorite Anime™ while I remain the only sane human being on this planet that is coherent enough to see it for what it really is: GARBAGE.

 

[Risette]

Tokyo Godfathers sucked a lot and was really hard to watch it entirely (I loved Paprika, though).

But Tokyo Godfathers is his Kon's best movie, and perhaps his only movie that lives up to the praise.

 

[Cwarrior]

"The girl who leapt throught time is way overrated"

am way to lazy to write post right now so am just going to post my old post

Am not longer a hosoda fan anymore, watched the "the girl who leapt through time" and I really hated it ( kinda liked the first hour but the last 35mins was god awful forced melodrama so bad it overpowerd the good), his digimon and one piece move were great.

Someone call me when hosodo decides to make something his good at, like a beyblade movie or yugioh

One Piece would be a lot better without all the silly shonen fights.

Should they stop being pirates too and go back to school?

 

[Kinyou]

The Highschool of Dead anime is simply fantastic (I have no clue if that's controversial or not)

people think elfen lied is good?

The violence was kind of funny. I mean at times it was so intentionally set out to be disturbing that it just became hilarious.

 

[bengraven]

I still think, from a very casual anime fan, the best representation of the form is Ninja Scroll.

- ridiculous American dub that become endearing the more you hear it ("WELL...?")
- cute girl that the men are afraid to touch
---who gets nearly raped by a demon
---and is a ninja
- awesome fight sequences that used the majority of the budget
- unneccessary brooding
- storyline set in feudal Japan but extremely loose with actual Japanese history
- "tentacles" coming in/out of a female (snakes)
- swimming pool scene (hot springs)

All it's missing are panty shots, robots, and blushing men.

Ninja Scroll is the best anime evar.

Your Favorite Anime™ is far worse than you ever could have possibly imagined. Not only does it fail to deliver on every front in the initial setup, but the characters are cookie cut-outs or straight copies of well loved, well covered characters in other franchises and mediums. The art direction is passable, at best and makes my eyes vomit blood at its worst. The music is forgettable, and you can even get the sense that the staff wanted to hide it, as evidenced by the screeching voice deliveries (in both the dub and sub) that they recorded. There is too much lazy, sexual imagery thrown on screen for young boys, not enough robots, too much fighting, not enough chibi/cutesy moments, not enough boobs/panty shots, too many robots, not enough fight scenes, and too much cutesy crap.

In spite of this, everyone seems to love Your Favorite Anime™ while I remain the only sane human being on this planet that is coherent enough to see it for what it really is: GARBAGE.

+100 for post.

 

[PdotMichael]

Should they stop being pirates too and go back to school?

It's maybe a good idea. I mean 64 Volumes and still no One Piece is not that successful

 

[Takao]

I think Summer Wars is a pretty dull movie, and a bad remake of Our War Game. Toei should sue Hosoda for stealing ideas they paid for him to make.

Controversial indeed.

I think Boo's actually one of the greatest villains in Dragon Ball. He's the first one where it wasn't a cut and dry evil situation. We saw so many sides of Boo that he actually became a character. We saw the compassionate side of Boo, the one who just wanted to have fun, but at the same time we saw the highly protective Boo, and one who just wanted to see the world burn. The story arch in question is also a very pivotal portion of Dragon Ball, since it's the culmination of Vegeta's character, and Goku passing on the torch for real.

Yeah my opinion on the Boo saga is pretty controversial, haha.

 

[LuchaShaq]

I've never seen anime that I have enjoyed except for Pokemon, and I'm pretty sure 99% of that was due to the fact I was a kid playing the original game when I first saw it, and the only time I've seen any of it since has been you tube clips at 3 am while drunk. Have tried a few chunks of alot of the more popular stuff I see posted here like Cowboy bebop/one piece.


That said in games? I seem to be fine or even love it, Persona 3/4, I loved most of the anime cut scenes in Catherine, I loved the first valkiryria chronicles. It's the overly silly/cutesey stuff that makes me want to punch the screen.

 

[PdotMichael]

The Boo saga has too many unfinished story elements. Gogeta, Super Gohan, Gotenks, Super Saiyajin III and the tournament, it was just over the top senseless.

The end of the Cell saga was perfect for the manga.

 

[Wiktor]

The art isn't horrendous at all, Oda isn't as good at straight up drawing than say Tite, but his actual art has a hell of a lot more personality and detail than Bleach.

Ignoring basic anathomy is now personality? Seriously though, OP art might be suited for gag series, but it's completely wrong for any fighting series.

How does it fail to be shonen? How is it any sillier than Bleach or Naruto?

Ermm...seriously? You don't see how OP is sillier than Naruto or Bleach?
Luffy has power moves that require him turn himself into screw driver. His main power is having rubber body. You've got a guy who fights solely with his legs. You've got pirate captain that dresses as the clown. OP doesn't take itself seriously at all.Silliness isn't occasional gag in it, it's the basic part of the whole series' DNA.

Sure, it's part of the charm, but this type of charm just doesn't register well with me. Instead it kills any enjoyment I could have out of Shonen aspect of OP. All that's left is is humor and I don't find OP's brand of humor to be particulary funny. Couple that with art style I hate and ughh...

I absolutely loathe One Piece. I don't think there's any series I hate more. Sure, I've seen and read worse stuff, but with them I quickly dropped them. With OP I was lured in by tales of it's wonderfullness, so instead of dropping it after few chapters like I should, I actually suffered through over 300 of them.

I just can't stand silly shonen. That's why I actually like Bleach the most right now out of the big 3. Naruto has been getting sillier recently and for all it's problems Bleach is the only one out of those three that's still playing out straight faced.

Btw..I also didn't like Hunter X Hunter

 

[S. L.]

All anime that came out after the late 90's is love and soulless and sucks.

Spoiler

with Honey & Clover being the sole exception

 

[Desmond]

Ignoring basic anathomy is now personality? Seriously though, OP art might be suited for gag series, but it's completely wrong for any fighting series.

Ermm...seriously? You don't see how OP is sillier than Naruto or Bleach?
Luffy has power moves that require him turn himself into screw driver. His main power is having rubber body. You've got a guy who fights solely with his legs. You've got pirate captain that dresses as the clown. OP doesn't take itself seriously at all.Silliness isn't occasional gag in it, it's the basic part of the whole series' DNA.

Sure, it's part of the charm, but this type of charm just doesn't register well with me. Instead it kills any enjoyment I could have out of Shonen aspect of OP. All that's left is is humor and I don't find OP's brand of humor to be particulary funny. Couple that with art style I hate and ughh...

I absolutely loathe One Piece. I don't think there's any series I hate more. Sure, I've seen and read worse stuff, but with them I quickly dropped them. With OP I was lured in by tales of it's wonderfullness, so instead of dropping it after few chapters like I should, I actually suffered through over 300 of them.

I just can't stand silly shonen. That's why I actually like Bleach the most right now out of the big 3. Naruto has been getting sillier recently and for all it's problems Bleach is the only one out of those three that's still playing out straight faced.

Btw..I also didn't like Hunter X Hunter

Naruto may be my personal fav, but OP and HxH are both top notch. That's unquestionable.

It's all opinions at the end of the day

 

[Typographenia]

Ignoring basic anathomy is now personality? Seriously though, OP art might be suited for gag series, but it's completely wrong for any fighting series.

They really should homogenize the look of everything. It's just not right being different.

Ermm...seriously? You don't see how OP is sillier than Naruto or Bleach?
Luffy has power moves that require him turn himself into screw driver. His main power is having rubber body. You've got a guy who fights solely with his legs. You've got pirate captain that dresses as the clown. OP doesn't take itself seriously at all.Silliness isn't occasional gag in it, it's the basic part of the whole series' DNA.

Sure, it's part of the charm, but this type of charm just doesn't register well with me. Instead it kills any enjoyment I could have out of Shonen aspect of OP. All that's left is is humor and I don't find OP's brand of humor to be particulary funny. Couple that with art style I hate and ughh...

I absolutely loathe One Piece. I don't think there's any series I hate more. Sure, I've seen and read worse stuff, but with them I quickly dropped them. With OP I was lured in by tales of it's wonderfullness, so instead of dropping it after few chapters like I should, I actually suffered through over 300 of them.

Sorry you feel that way, but I understand.
I enjoy what OP does, and I like that Oda has tried his best to keep everything fun and aimed at his target audience instead of taking it more seriously as time went on. Too much melodrama (like in most shonen series, unfortunately) takes its toll on me over time, and I end up dropping shows because of it. I think Oda does a great job balancing humor and drama, as well as coming up with some ideas I've never seen in other series. I'd much rather take that than something that feels like a rehash of many shonen series before it, just with a different setting.

 

[Maleficence]

Ignoring basic anathomy is now personality? Seriously though, OP art might be suited for gag series, but it's completely wrong for any fighting series.

Ermm...seriously? You don't see how OP is sillier than Naruto or Bleach?
Luffy has power moves that require him turn himself into screw driver. His main power is having rubber body. You've got a guy who fights solely with his legs. You've got pirate captain that dresses as the clown. OP doesn't take itself seriously at all.Silliness isn't occasional gag in it, it's the basic part of the whole series' DNA.

Sure, it's part of the charm, but this type of charm just doesn't register well with me. Instead it kills any enjoyment I could have out of Shonen aspect of OP. All that's left is is humor and I don't find OP's brand of humor to be particulary funny. Couple that with art style I hate and ughh...

I absolutely loathe One Piece. I don't think there's any series I hate more. Sure, I've seen and read worse stuff, but with them I quickly dropped them. With OP I was lured in by tales of it's wonderfullness, so instead of dropping it after few chapters like I should, I actually suffered through over 300 of them.

I just can't stand silly shonen. That's why I actually like Bleach the most right now out of the big 3. Naruto has been getting sillier recently and for all it's problems Bleach is the only one out of those three that's still playing out straight faced.

Btw..I also didn't like Hunter X Hunter

So you basically don't like anything which sticks to actual rules cause you have to actually follow those rules. I can understand then why you like power level anime. All you want to see is cliché fights based on power levels with characters with cardboard personalities and the emotion of a fish. That's fine I suppose, but that doesn't make OP bad.

Can you explain to me how death and ageing works in Soul Society and the human world? Cause I sure as hell can't, I don't think Tite could. What's silly is when you can't establish and stick to basic rules you set out in a universe. One piece does that, Bleach does not.

If you value realism over silliness, stop watching shonen Anime altogether, it's a silly perspective to have, that any Shonen series is too silly.

HxH at least does have poor art, but the fights and the storytelling are brilliant.

 

[Ifrit]

Oh dang here's another:

Naruto part 1 is better then the entirety of One Piece while One Piece as a whole is better than Naruto parts 1 & 2.

Also, it's not controversial at all that naruto is a terrible character. He's terrible because Kishimoto hates him.

Agreed completely on this one

Naruto part 1 sans filler is some kick ass shounen anime, shippuden on the other hand, has some good parts, but it's just not nearly as good

One piece has always mantained a good level of awesome through it's entire run, the pacing has become slower, but it's still more entertaining than current naruto

Oh here's another:

What i've seen of Lost Canvas > The Original Saint Seiya (except for the opening)

I think I agree with this one too, I'm still not sure if it's better than the Sanctuary Saga (it's been downhill since then) nostalgia be damned

 

[Maleficence]

Agreed completely on this one

Naruto part 1 sans filler is some kick ass shounen anime, shippuden on the other hand, has some good parts, but it's just not nearly as good

One piece on the other hand has always mantained a good level of awesome through it's entire run, the pacing has become slower, but it's still more entertaining than current naruto

I don't know if I would agree that Naruto 1 is better than any part of One Piece, but it is easily up there and it was indeed excellent, after the time-skip it went really downhill.

 

[Emitan]

Mugi > Ui > Mio > Yui > Ritsu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sawako >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Azunyan

Mio > Yui? smh

Unless she gets a lot more characterization in season 2 I have no idea how you're putting Mugi at the top

 

[Vrakanox]

Bleach is still awesome and the new arc is one of the best yet.

Naruto is boring as hell now and was only good in the first couple of arcs.

One Piece always sucked.

s-Cry-ed, Berserk, Akira, GitS, Ninja Scroll, Lodoss War, Escaflowne, Gantz and Basilisk are great. (not so controversial)

Highschool of the Dead, Gurren Lagann and Code Geass are great. Seikon no Qwaser is highly entertaining. As are a lot of harem anime such as Heaven's Lost Property, Girls Bravo, Tenchi Muyo and so far Highschool DxD.

Maguca Magica, Angel Beats, Bakemonogatari, Haruhi Sazumiya, K-on and Lucky Star are the cancer.

Please don't hate me.

 

[Typographenia]

Gah, need to make up for my derailing posts on this page.



- I thought Gunsmith Cats was rather boring, and it was mediocre at best. That's probably due more to the short, three episodes it had rather than an entire series, though. There was something fun about the portrayal of american culture in it, but not enough to make me love the series.

- Howl's Moving Castle is probably my least favorite of the Ghibli movies I've seen. Despite all of the pretty things happening on screen, it felt really empty to me. The big emotional parts near the end were hampered by that feeling which pervaded nearly the entire film for me.

 

[789shadow]

I only read mangas, but to me it;s because One Piece is a comedy that tries to be shonen and fails at it. The characters are caricatures, their powers are just rotfl-worthy and the whole series is just plain silly. Which isn't bad, but I kind of do expect exciting combat from shonen and the silliness of One Piece makes it impossible for me to take anything in it seriously. Not to mention OP art is horrendous.

So basically you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Wiktor]

They really should homogenize the look of everything. It's just not right being different..

As opposed to the wish to homegenize everyone's tastes? Because not liking One Piece is just not right?

Seriously though, I'm solely speaking about the reasons why I personally hate it, not objective quality. I would never go on a rant about OP in normal anime/manga thread, but this one is about controversial opinions

 

[Wiktor]

So basically you have no idea what you're talking about.

Sorry, but when characters and setting is filled with this much silliness I just see it as a set-up to comedy, not dramatic shonen series.

 

[Kandrick]

Mio > Yui? smh

Unless she gets a lot more characterization in season 2 I have no idea how you're putting Mugi at the top

Yui > Mio anyday. Basically it goes like this :

Ritsu > Yui > Ui > all the rest.

 

[789shadow]

They really should homogenize the look of everything. It's just not right being different..

As opposed to the wish to homegenize everyone's tastes? Because not liking One Piece is just not right?

Seriously though, I'm solely speaking about the reasons why I personally hate it, not objective quality. I would never go on a rant about OP in normal anime/manga thread, but this one is about controversial opinions [/QUOTE]

You say Bleach is better because it's serious, which isn't controversial, it's wrong. Bleach is by far stupider than either Naruto or OP because it takes itself so seriously while it's story is abysmally crap. UGHGHGHGHGHHG I CAN'T PROTECT ANYONE BUT I DON'T WANT THIS POWER BUT WITHOUT IT UGUGUGUGUGHHHHHHHHHHGHGG.

Also, NOTHING happens in Bleach.

 

[Typographenia]

As opposed to the wish to homegenize everyone's tastes? Because not liking One Piece is just not right?

Sorry you feel that way, but I understand.

?


Do people like Trinity Blood, in general? Because that was one terrible series, and I can't believe I actually sat through it all on a weekly basis when it aired on Adult Swim. So bad...

 

[Vrakanox]

It's everyone's dooty to watch Black Lion(dubbed). It's like the mountain giving birth to the planets.

Baoh....Baoh....

 

[789shadow]

Sorry, but when characters and setting is filled with this much silliness I just see it as a set-up to comedy, not dramatic shonen series.

Shounen is supposed to be dramatic?

Just stop.

 

[Wiktor]

So you basically don't like anything which sticks to actual rules cause you have to actually follow those rules.

Umm...no. I just don't like silliness overload in action shonens.

Can you explain to me how death and ageing works in Soul Society and the human world? Cause I sure as hell can't, I don't think Tite could. What's silly is when you can't establish and stick to basic rules you set out in a universe. One piece does that, Bleach does not.

Nah, that's just weak world building and plot holes on Bleach part. By silliness I mean the highly comedic nature of OP world and it's characters.
I can take Bleach fights seriously, never could do the same with OP.

 

[Desmond]

OPINIONS HOW DO THEY WORK

 

[Maleficence]

Shonen dramatic :lol

Who the hell watches Shonen for the drama? It's nice to have, and One Piece does it really fucking well, but it shouldn't be the primary focus.

Shonen is about having silly fun and watching some cool fights, the drama needs to go on top of it. The reason OP works is because it mixes it's drama, comedy, and action so well with it's universe. It has it's rules which it sticks to and does fuck up on a regular basis like Bleach does.

 

[Wiktor]

Shounen is supposed to be dramatic?

I don't know about it being supposed to, but that's the only one I like. Lack of seriousness just removes any tension from fights to me. Heck, your avatar alone kills it for me.

 

[7Th]

K-ON!! alone made 2010 a better year for anime than 2011.

 

[Maleficence]

Nah, that's just weak world building and plot holes on Bleach part. By silliness I mean the highly comedic nature of OP world and it's characters.
I can take Bleach fights seriously, never could do the same with OP.

So as long as you're not superficially silly, you can look past ridiculously poor world building and plot for the sake of a "serious" fight?

Why should I care about the outcome of a fight when the world or plot makes no goddamn sense? It holds no weight at all.

If all you want is serious fights, why make stories anyway? Why build a world? Kubo should just forget dialogue and story all together and give two dudes a sword each and let them at it.

Oh wait, he pretty much does that anyway.

 

[Wiktor]

Shonen is about having silly fun and watching some cool fights.

That's the problem..the silliness of characters and their powers makes it impossible for me to view those fights as "cool". I also wouldn't like to see fighting anime with Mickey Mouse and DOnald Duck, no matter how well it would be made.

 

[Raging Spaniard]

I cant get myself to like Trigun. I think it sucks.

I still have to see an anime series thats hasnt gone downhill after 100 or so episodes, they stop trying to gain an audience after that (doesnt happen in manga though)

 

[Takao]

Shonen is about overcoming unsurmountable odds. It's about a will to never give up. It's about the fire deep down inside of us that strives to be #1. Shonen isn't about being in a corner crying that your family died. Shonen's about making sure the wrong becomes right.

The Boo saga has too many unfinished story elements. Gogeta, Super Gohan, Gotenks, Super Saiyajin III and the tournament, it was just over the top senseless.

The end of the Cell saga was perfect for the manga.

The Cell Saga would've been a terrible ending for Dragon Ball (as it is for Kai), you leave Vegeta without closure, Earth without a guardian (lol Gohan's trash), and it ends the series on a note that is so anti-Dragon Ball.

 

[Finaika]

You say Bleach is better because it's serious, which isn't controversial, it's wrong. Bleach is by far stupider than either Naruto or OP because it takes itself so seriously while it's story is abysmally crap. UGHGHGHGHGHHG I CAN'T PROTECT ANYONE BUT I DON'T WANT THIS POWER BUT WITHOUT IT UGUGUGUGUGHHHHHHHHHHGHGG.

Uguu~

 

[789shadow]

Uguu~

Why me sad?

 

[Wiktor]

So as long as you're not superficially silly, you can look past ridiculously poor world building and plot for the sake of a "serious" fight?

Yep. I rarely read shonen at all and the little I do I read solely for good serious fights. So when a series can't deliver that entertainment for me there's just no point in bothering with it.

Why should I care about the outcome of a fight when the world or plot makes no goddamn sense? It holds no weight at all.

I feel this way about comedic nature of OP. Why should I care about the outcome of the fight if I can't take the world and the character seriously? I just don't care about either those characters or the effect they have on the world.

If all you want is serious fights, why make stories anyway?.

To have nice backgrounds and little fluff to flesh out the fights. When I want a good story shonen isn't the place I'm going to look for it.

 

[Emitan]

I like The Last Airbender (not anime?)

Liking Avatar isn't really controversial

I don't consider it anime, but I understand why people do. The animation was heavily inspired by FLCL.

 

[789shadow]

Bleach tries to be serious and is actually more silly than One Piece, which is why even Naruto is better.

 

[Wiktor]

Bleach tries to be serious and is actually more silly than One Piece, which is why even Naruto is better.

At least it doesn't have a characters like the one in your avatar.

 

[Typographenia]

Shonen is about overcoming unsurmountable odds. It's about a will to never give up. It's about the fire deep down inside of us that strives to be #1. Shonen isn't about being in a corner crying that your family died. Shonen's about making sure the wrong becomes right.

And yelling. Don't forget yelling.

Spoiler

; P

I still have to see an anime series thats hasnt gone downhill after 100 or so episodes, they stop trying to gain an audience after that (doesnt happen in manga though)

Granted, that's a hard feat to pull off for any series, though.



edit: Uh oh, we're getting into the petty retorts from both sides now. Thread close imminent? I hope not. : (

 

[Wiktor]

I still have to see an anime series thats hasnt gone downhill after 100 or so episodes, they stop trying to gain an audience after that (doesnt happen in manga though)

Isn't LOGH the exception to that?

 

[789shadow]

At least it doesn't have a characters like the one in your avatar.

You're right, the only person in Bleach who even comes close to the awesomeness of Kaku is perhaps.............no one.

 

[Vrakanox]

I expected more controversial opinions. Like people saying Akira GitS and Bebop suck or something.

 

[FlyingTeacup]

I cant get myself to like Trigun. I think it sucks.

I still have to see an anime series thats hasnt gone downhill after 100 or so episodes, they stop trying to gain an audience after that (doesnt happen in manga though)

well there are some that stay pretty fresh. I thought one piece, dragon ball and gintama have pretty good legs. One piece is by the virtue of the richness of the grand line and the characters, there are one or two pretty weak arcs, but oda typically rebounds pretty well. dragon ball starts as pretty much a kiddy comedic adventure into full blown battle. Gintama on the hand, tries to be everything with parody thrown in. One arc is pure insanity, next, battle+drama with some 'historic' elements thrown into.

I agree on some comments on naruto and bleach, both started out as very very good but they're getting a bit stale, long winded, clusterfuck story.