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Someone with a cosplay avatar, who had a former Yu-Gi-Oh avatar, now says he hates anime and anime is shit, and is egging on a fight about how One Piece is shit.

You don't have a leg to stand on, get off your high horse.

heheheh I'll have a go at this.

Okay, I like cosplay I do, I love the girls. I couldn't care at all about Gurren Lagann or any other anime. I like abridged doesn't mean I'd go and buy seasons or mangas of Yu-gi-oh does it? Maybe it does...no it doesn't . Confusing no?

I do egg this on maybe it's wrong of me, but I am tired, verily tired of One piece fans clamoring on about that show man it's like Star wars I never hear the end of it over and over.

Okay I'm sorry I just had to go tell people I hate anime and video games seemingly inspired by anime. I couldn't keep it inside man, I loved voicing it. I'm not trolling unless you hold anime that deeply to your heart. Do you? I'm sorry I just thought I could say something, I'm not sure what I got to back up this claim besides I dislike it and ...well yeah.

Well if you want me to leave you could've just asked. I'll go then if it makes you upset.


Also I was bored and interested in this topic.
 
Like what?

Like these:

Also, Bleach has terrible fights after Soul Society. Stupid Deus Ex Machina's like Super Hollow Ichigo, and every single fight plays out like this.

Troll face.
Troll face.
Impossible to see back slash.
Troll face.
Aizen Smirk.
Shocked face.

Pretty much true, this is how recent fights have been in bleach.

The art isn't horrendous at all, Oda isn't as good at straight up drawing than say Tite, but his actual art has a hell of a lot more personality and detail than Bleach. Bleaches fights are typical power level bullshit, and his battle art is absolutely awful. His fights are a series of blank pages and off-page attacks.

One Piece also has some of the most interesting fights in history, since it's not all about bullshit power levels like DBZ. Naruto used to have this but barely does anymore, and Bleach has barely ever had this.

Can you explain to me how death and ageing works in Soul Society and the human world? Cause I sure as hell can't, I don't think Tite could. What's silly is when you can't establish and stick to basic rules you set out in a universe. One piece does that, Bleach does not.

Umm...no. I just don't like silliness overload in action shonens.

Nah, that's just weak world building and plot holes on Bleach part. By silliness I mean the highly comedic nature of OP world and it's characters.
I can take Bleach fights seriously, never could do the same with OP.

Even Adrian shit on Bleach.
 
One Piece is not infallible. This is coming from one of the biggest OP fans on the forum. Some negatives:

-YMMV art
-lack of variety in female facial design
-occasional pacing issues (Skypiea and Fishman Island being the biggest offenders)
-occasional inappropriate silliness (Oda has flat out said he made Luffy's power rubber for this reason)
-Davy Back Fight arc

I can definitely see why someone would like either of the other big 3 more than OP. I disagree with them and would consider OP a thousand times more consistent than either of those, but everyone approaches things differently and it isn't as unbelievable as some OP fans make it seem.
 
One Piece is not infallible. This is coming from one of the biggest OP fans on the forum. Some negatives:

-YMMV art
-lack of variety in female facial design
-occasional pacing issues (Skypiea and Fishman Island being the biggest offenders)
-occasional inappropriate silliness (Oda has flat out said he made Luffy's power rubber for this reason)
-Davy Back Fight arc

I can definitely see why someone would like either of the other big 3 more than OP. I disagree with them and would consider OP a thousand times more consistent than either of those, but everyone approaches things differently and it isn't as unbelievable as some OP fans make it seem.

I agree with all of these.

However, just compare these to the problems of the other 2 Big 3.
 
heheheh I'll have a go at this.

Okay, I like cosplay I do, I love the girls. I couldn't care at all about Gurren Lagann or any other anime. I like abridged doesn't mean I'd go and buy seasons or mangas of Yu-gi-oh does it? Maybe it does...no it doesn't . Confusing no?

I do egg this on maybe it's wrong of me, but I am tired, verily tired of One piece fans clamoring on about that show man it's like Star wars I never hear the end of it over and over.

Okay I'm sorry I just had to go tell people I hate anime and video games seemingly inspired by anime. I couldn't keep it inside man, I loved voicing it. I'm not trolling unless you hold anime that deeply to your heart. Do you? I'm sorry I just thought I could say something, I'm not sure what I got to back up this claim besides I dislike it and ...well yeah.

Well if you want me to leave you could've just asked. I'll go then if it makes you upset.


Also I was bored and interested in this topic.

It's pretty simple dude, how can you hate anime and anime inspired things, yet like cosplay (anime inspired) and like Yu-Gi-Oh (abridged or no, it is an anime) enough to have it as your avatar? That makes no sense!
 
It's pretty simple dude, how can you hate anime and anime inspired things, yet like cosplay (anime inspired) and like Yu-Gi-Oh (abridged or no, it is an anime) enough to have it as your avatar? That makes no sense!

BINGO! Who said I was a sensible one?
 
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Are you... arguing with yourself?
 
Irony is, if he had said "I like Hunter x Hunter/Toriko/anything not called Bleach, Naruto, Fairy Tail" more than One Piece, none of this would happen.
 
See, the issue is, One Piece haters can never actually provide any worthy critique of one piece, what we get is:



That's pure opinion with nothing to support it.

All we got from Adrian was it's silly because it is.

So what makes One Piece inferior to Bleach or Naruto? And try not to answer simply by saying that it just is. Even opinions must have some kind of support.

The art is shitty and a lot of times one does not know what´s going on the panels. Facial emotions of one piece are over exaggerated. For instance the moment Ace died Luffy made a shitty expression that robbed the scene of its seriousness at least for me. Character interaction is fucking ridiculous. The noise bleed jokes, skeleton jokes, overreaction jokes stopped making me laugh after the second time. Most characters of one piece are one dimensional. I only like Usoppe, and Garp. Usoppe is the only SH who actually achieved what he wanted. I wanted to write big posts, but i dislocated my elbow and writing with one hand is a pain and it takes a long time. Here´s what a gaffer said some time ago in the manga thread.
ugh. Finally, an opportunity to make a comprehensive post about all the faults I have with one piece and I have finals to study for. Dammit. Well, without going into specifics, I have various issues with it, but it simply demands too much suspension of disbelief from me. I'm a nit picking kind of person, and I admit that, but OP has more moments that make me go "That's just dumb!" than anything else I ever read. It's just everything, from how the powers work (There are so many examples I can list, but one is that because Luffy had a thin layer of water on him, he could hit Crocodile, even though Crocodile has been shown to have to be able to drain water from an entire city, and the water on his fist would probably dry out after the first punch), the characters (Zoro is trapped in a rock like substance and has a sword that can cut through rock. "I'll cut off my legs!..Oh, wait Luffy's hear, I'll just sit on my *** until he takes care of the work for me then.")and a lot of the plot points (At the end of Alabasta, though Crocodile was defeated, people still blamed the King for the destruction of their city. Thousands of the rebel fighters are enraged and ready to take veng- oh, wait? What is this? A child? He says that he saw the King acting not like himself? So he must have NOT been the king?! Oh, joy! Everything is okay now, based on the anecdotal evidence of this random child! Come on, everyone, lets party! Forget about the fact that god knows how many people just died fighting for what we only now realize was NOTHING at all.Lets just leave their still rotting corpses in the streets because this is a time for JOY and HAPPINESS because now everything is going to be ****ing dandy! Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit).

All the characters are very one dimensional and never truly develop. Tell me, has Luffy, the most recurring character of them all, ever developed? He's gained powers and went on a bunch of adventures, but I never see any real change in him. He wanted to be a pirate from a child, he acts dumb but joyful, always looks for fun, never betrays his friends, and is angered whenever something bad happens to his nakama. Not even Ace's death really changed him, he is the same character that he was from the beginning. Happy go lucky guy who loves his friends and continues to search for adventure. Some characters do change in minimal ways, but never in large fundamental ones (Nami learns to trust Luffy, Sanji goes on an adventure, Robin realizes that she found her place).But the problem is that hardly anyone ever changes in a fundamental way. Almost every one of them is, by and large, the same character they were when they were introduced.

Simple characterization isn't a bad thing, it has it's time and place, but I don't think it works when EVERY character is simple. As a result, when I look at one pieces characters, I don't really believe in any single one of them. By that, I mean I can't empathize with them. I don't care when they get a victory over the current arc's villain, and I don't care when the villain does something horrible to person X. I found the Going Merry's sudden anthropomorphism to be a pathetically sad desperate grab at the audience's sympathy, and when I found out that it actually worked for the majority of people, I actually laughed. The idea of people reading this and having the going merry 'die' is hilarious to me. And that's the greatest emotional reaction I ever got out of the manga. I got a much deeper emotional reaction from Naruto's development from a lonely boy to the determined ninja that he became in part 1 of naruto. I have a much deeper emotional reaction when I read Killua's inner thoughts about how grateful he is to Gon for being his friend. I meh'd my way through 99% of One Piece.

Now, I like one piece. People are often shocked to hear me say so after I rant about it so much.I like the badass moments and I'd really like to see more of the World Government and it's world conquering backstory and especially Akainu. And I like a lot of the characters. It's a fun adventure whenever I turn by brain off. But I have heard people say that one piece is one of the greatest epics of our time. Once I get over the shock induced by hearing something so outrageously ludicrous, all I can say is "To each, his own."
 
Let me just say, Shounen in general just sucks. It can be good for a time, or in bursts, or one or two episodes can be enjoyable, but for the long run of the show, and I mean LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG run, it's the same shit over and over. Shit sucks.

Don't agree? Fight me.
 
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One Piece manga is awesome... seriously you cannot like it for some personal motivation but saying that is no more than generic and below mediocre manga that means only one thing...
hate+troll
on the anime we can discuss about the quality because it's very poor.

This is really big one kind of crappy post. Let me teach a basic thing. Different people have different opinions about different things, and the shit that you say make (most) one piece fans to intolerable of others´opinions and make you look like a fucking joke.
 
I meant you calling him out for using the "you mad bro" when it was you who said it. I was just confused by the direction of the argument taking place.



- I think anime studios today, generally, put too much junk on screen during post production.


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-My Neighbor Totoro is zzzzzzzzzz

Others are not controversial at all. I mean, nobody likes The Sky Crawlers, not even me.
You didn't find Totoro fun? And I thought Sky Crawlers was okay. : (
 
I meant you calling him out for using the "you mad bro" when it was you who said it. I was just confused by the direction of the argument taking place.



I think anime studios today, generally, put too much junk on screen during post production.

It is true that I used "You mad bro" in that exact form, but he used it in a different form earlier.
 
The art is shitty and a lot of times one does not know what´s going on the panels.

The art isn't shitty, as far as knowing what's going on, Bleach's art is so ridiculously lazy there's nothing to decipher, and Naruto has exactly the same problem with this for me.

Facial emotions of one piece are over exaggerated. For instance the moment Ace died Luffy made a shitty expression that robbed the scene of its seriousness at least for me.

That actually bothered me too, but it was the only instance of it that did. Every other time exaggerated facial expressions work just fine in the series, I've never been distracted by them other than what you're talking about.


Character interaction is fucking ridiculous. The noise bleed jokes, skeleton jokes, overreaction jokes stopped making me laugh after the second time.

At least OP has Character interaction, it may not be your cup of tea but clearly a shit load of people love it. Bleach and Naruto barely have any significant character interaction beyond fighting.

Most characters of one piece are one dimensional

That's just bullshit and you know it. They're not the most complicated characters (it is shonen after all), but they're all a damn sight better than the majority of the major Bleach and Naruto characters.

I'm not going through that long post btw, it's pretty clear we're not going to find common ground here.
 
I know it's not controversial, I was merely responding to posts like these:



The art isn't horrendous at all, Oda isn't as good at straight up drawing than say Tite, but his actual art has a hell of a lot more personality and detail than Bleach. Bleaches fights are typical power level bullshit, and his battle art is absolutely awful. His fights are a series of blank pages and off-page attacks.

How does it fail to be shonen? How is it any sillier than Bleach or Naruto?

The storytelling and characters in One Piece are far superior to anything recent in Bleach or Naruto, I really can't see your perspective at all.

One Piece also has some of the most interesting fights in history, since it's not all about bullshit power levels like DBZ. Naruto used to have this but barely does anymore, and Bleach has barely ever had this.
Ahahahahahaha. Luffy and co have ass pull power ups without any explanation. Like diablo jambe, ashura thing with Zorro, and Luffy´s gears. They pull these powers out of there asses to win fights.
 
Ahahahahahaha. Luffy and co have ass pull power ups without any explanation. Like diablo jambe, ashura thing with Zorro, and Luffy´s gears. They pull these powers out of there asses to win fights.

Asspulls exist in anything with fighting.


It can't be an ass pull if that's how every move in the series comes about.
This doesn't actually follow.
 
Naruto has exactly the same problem with this for me.

I've only read the first few volumes but I never had any idea what was happening because it was nothing but thousands of lines putting in absurd amounts of detail. So much so that I couldn't tell what I was looking at. I'm not phrasing it right, but Naruto is fucking confusing.
 
This doesn't actually follow.

I mean that every move in the series can be labeled an asspull because they are never hinted at or shown acquired before they are used, but since this applies to EVERY move, how can any one move be an asspull if they all are?

Hollow Ichigo vs. Ulquiorra is an asspull because it came out of nowhere when most other moves in Bleach don't.
 
Ahahahahahaha. Luffy and co have ass pull power ups without any explanation. Like diablo jambe, ashura thing with Zorro, and Luffy´s gears. They pull these powers out of there asses to win fights.

Diablo jambe? Friction = heat, not that complex

Asura thing is just a complex and powerful sword manoeuvre

Luffy's gears all have explanations within his power, 2nd = increasing his blood flow, 3rd, blowing up his body by biting a hole in his body and breathing into it.

What's the explanation for Bleach's power ups? What's with the hollow super hollow bullshit? What's with the final transformation which renders him powerless but not powerless?
 
Ahahahahahaha. Luffy and co have ass pull power ups without any explanation. Like diablo jambe, ashura thing with Zorro, and Luffy´s gears. They pull these powers out of there asses to win fights.

Did you read the explanations given in the chapters that these moves appeared? Oda always tries to give some explanation to the moves of the characters.
 
If you like Bleach, Fairy Tail or "it's all about the powerlevels, baby!" Naruto, you really don't have any room to shit on One Piece.

At least Fairy Tail doesn't take itself too seriously...
 
While I can appreciate that Redline had 100% hand-drawn art, it was still ugly. On top of that, the story was just flat out generic and boring. Not even close to worth the hype.

Cowboy bebop wasn't bad, but in no way is it the best anime ever that people claim it to be. If anything, it was mediocre at best.
champloo >>>>>>> bebop
 
I mean that every move in the series can be labeled an asspull because they are never hinted at or shown acquired before they are used, but since this applies to EVERY move, how can any one move be an asspull if they all are?

Hollow Ichigo vs. Ulquiorra is an asspull because it came out of nowhere when most other moves in Bleach don't.

I'm trying and failing to understand why every move can't be an asspull. They don't magically stop being asspulls merely because everyone is doing it all the time. It's just shitty writing when that happens.
 
As a fan of Rave Master you guys don't know how much Fairy Tail breaks my heart. Mashima turned into a Oda copycat dullsville series.
 
As a fan of Rave Master you guys don't know how much Fairy Tail breaks my heart. Mashima turned into a Oda copycat dullsville series.

Oh wow, totally forgot about Rave Master. I even played that Smash Bros style GBA game for it. It was pretty cool.
 
The art isn't shitty, as far as knowing what's going on, Bleach's art is so ridiculously lazy there's nothing to decipher, and Naruto has exactly the same problem with this for me.
Kubo is the best artist in SJ bare none.



That actually bothered me too, but it was the only instance of it that did. Every other time exaggerated facial expressions work just fine in the series, I've never been distracted by them other than what you're talking about.
No, they don´t. Because you need to feel with the characters, and Oda draws them with overreacted emotions which ruin the sad scene.



At least OP has Character interaction, it may not be your cup of tea but clearly a shit load of people love it. Bleach and Naruto barely have any significant character interaction beyond fighting.
You gotta be shitting me. Bleach has way more realistic interactions than one piece. The captains have great interaction between each other, and the human cast interact very realistically with each other. Have you not read the fullbring arc? It was mostly interaction between the human characters. The way Tatsuki punched Ichigo for hiding information from her was amazing and realistic interaction. But of course you ignore these moments.

That's just bullshit and you know it. They're not the most complicated characters (it is shonen after all), but they're all a damn sight better than the majority of the major Bleach and Naruto characters.
WTF? lol? Luffy is complicated? Zorro? Sanji?Chopper?Nami? lol. one dimentional characters. Ichigo and Naruto actually changed their whole life including their ambition. Ichigo suffered angst because of his hollow, regret because he thought he killed his own mother, desperation, when he knew he could not touch Aizen. And now Ichigo has accepted his powers, even though he always wanted to be normal. He accepted them because he had to for him to be able to protect his family. Renji, Byakuya, Ishida, Rukia, the vizards, Gin, and more have all showed depth in their character.

Naruto wanted to become hokage so he could be acknowledged. Now he wants to create peace in the ninja world. That is a huge change. Shikamaru changed.Gaara, Tsunade etc...

I'm not going through that long post btw, it's pretty clear we're not going to find common ground here.[/QUOTE]

No we won´t.



Now i will show you how deep and philosophical Bleach is

Aizen quotes
You should learn this well, Hitsugaya-kun. Admiration is the emotion furthest from understanding.
The betrayal you can see is trivial. What is truly fearsome, is the betrayal that you don't see, Captain Hirako.
The epitome and the deepest quote in Shonen
All living creatures place their faith in someone more powerful than them and they cannot survive unless they blindly follow that person. The recipient of that faith then seeks out someone in an even higher position in order to escape from the pressure. That person then seeks out someone even more powerful that he must put his faith in. In this way all kings are born and in this way all Gods are born. Do not believe in me yet, Hirako Shinji for now I shall slowly teach you who the God is that you will put your faith in. Believing in me comes after that.

Komamura´s bro speech

If our beliefs are irreconcilable, then it is pointless to try and persuade you. For the sake of Soul Society, I must cut you down. I do not want to, but I am content have been able to hear your true feelings. My heart has already forgiven you.
That's why I decided to become a true friend to you. If something sad happened in your life, I would be there for you. If something happy happened in my life, I would share it with you. If you strayed from the path, I would admonish you. If you committed an error, I would forgive you. If you found yourself in a predicament, I would provide a foundation on which you could stand. All in order to make this man that had lost his love for the world be able to love the world once more.
Tear after the second quote.

Mayuri´s perfection speech.
There is nothing in this world that is truly "perfect". Though it may be a rather large cliché, it is still the truth. It is the ordinary people who look up to "perfection" as an ideal and seek after it. But in truth, what is this idea of "perfection" truly worth? Nothing. Not a single thing. I detest "perfection". To be "perfect" is to be unable to improve any further. There would be no scope for "creation", not a single gap in one's knowledge or one's ability. Do you see now? To true scientists like you and I, "Perfection" is tantamount to "despair". We aspire to reach greater levels of brilliance than ever before, but never, NEVER, to reach perfection. That is the paradox through which we scientists must struggle. Indeed, it is our duty to find pleasure in that struggle. In other words, the second you allowed yourself to spout a ridiculous word like "perfect", in truth, you had already been defeated. That is if you wish to be treated as a scientist.

These quotes are one of my reasons of why Bleach is my favorite Shonen manga.
 
This is really big one kind of crappy post. Let me teach a basic thing. Different people have different opinions about different things, and the shit that you say make (most) one piece fans to intolerable of others´opinions and make you look like a fucking joke.

Huh... you are really trying to do with me the "people have opinions duh" route? Please... it could become an huge comeback.
You just can't go and say that OP is a generic and below(asd) mediocre manga period. because only the fact it's one of the most famous manga ever existed means that it must have some kind of quality, you don't like these quality? i'm ok with this, you wouldn't reccomend it to your worst enemy? i'm also ok with this... but going on with absolutism without joking like everyone else is doing in the thread it's just wrong
 
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