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We at least have Ninja Gaiden confirmed to be doing this.

that's good to know.

 

[Sadist]

We at least have Ninja Gaiden confirmed to be doing this.

Oh?

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

We at least have Ninja Gaiden confirmed to be doing this.

I don't recall hearing that..

 

[bgassassin]

http://www.vg247.com/2011/10/14/lonely-soul-tecmos-garza-on-all-things-ninja-gaiden-3/

How far are you pushing the Wii U hardware with Ninja Gaiden 3?

That’s kind of hard to say right now because, like I said, we’re just getting it up and running now on Wii U. And we’re still finding out what the hardware can do and how to work with the hardware itself. Right now, we’re at a very early stage, so we can’t say that we’re pushing it to its limits right now. But I can tell you that the team being what it is is definitely interested in pushing the hardware as hard as it can.

With 3DS, when we brought out Dead or Alive: Dimensions, that was one of the best looking 3DS games out there. And we really wanted to use whatever hardware we were on, we want to use to its full potential and really push that. Not just in spec, but the features that make that hardware unique.

So right now with Wii U, we’re just starting to know what Wii U is and how we can make it fun.

 

[ReyVGM]

I think Nintendo is going to hold that back until E3, with their hope being to downplay expectations and then shock us with however much support they actually get.

This. Nintendo loves doing this. And even though we curse at them for the lack of info, when the reveal day comes, we all cry like babies.

 

[AceBandage]

This. Nintendo loves doing this. And even though we curse at them for the lack of info, when the reveal day comes, we all cry like babies.

Exactly.
I personally like a flood of information all at once, rather than a trickle.
Going through and seeing all the things that others have missed is part of the fun.
It's how it use to be.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Didn't Ken Levine praise Wii U at E3? I could have sworn he stopped just short of announcing Infinite for Wii U.

 

[AceBandage]

Didn't Ken Levine praise Wii U at E3? I could have sworn he stopped just short of announcing Infinite for Wii U.

Here's his interview with Nintendo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqSNQuXIgRs

But later, he said his praise were from the view of a gamer, not a developer.
Which is, of course, the dumbest thing ever, but oh well.

 

[Kjellson]

How likely is the name change rumour? I remember that there was a thread a while ago where Wii U was the definite name because it was trademarked, or something. I'm hoping for a name change but I'm guessing the name will stay.

 

[RoboFu]

How likely is the name change rumour? I remember that there was a thread a while ago where Wii U was the definite name because it was trademarked, or something. I'm hoping for a name change but I'm guessing the name will stay.

Ultra 64 was definite name at one time.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

I mean, come on, if there's going to be a Vita version of Infinite and the director loves this new platform, I'd be more hopeful for a port.

 

[AceBandage]

I mean, come on, if there's going to be a Vita version of Infinite and the director loves this new platform, I'd be more hopeful for a port.

Developers are stupid as fuck, sometimes.

 

[Vinci]

Here's his interview with Nintendo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqSNQuXIgRs

But later, he said his praise were from the view of a gamer, not a developer.
Which is, of course, the dumbest thing ever, but oh well.

Maybe he only plays Nintendo games...

 

[ReyVGM]

I hope Levine is just trolling. Or maybe he just didn't have any plans at that time, but since then has had plans.

Or maybe he's just of one of those devs that just has to use the controller screen for something and if they can't/don't know how, then they'll just not port the games at all.

I suspect we are going to get a lot of that.

 

[Shion]

I’m more interested to see what exclusive titles are going to appear on the Wii U within its first years on the market. I hope Nintendo realizes the need for exclusives like Uncharted and Gears of War if they want the hardcore demographic to switch over to the Wii U.

 

[AceBandage]

I hope Levine is just trolling. Or maybe he just didn't have any plans at that time, but since then has had plans.

Or maybe he's just of one of those devs that just has to use the controller screen for something and if they can't/don't know how, then they'll just not port the games at all.

I suspect we are going to get a lot of that.

Again, developers are fucking stupid, sometimes.

I’m more interested to see what exclusive titles are going to appear on the Wii U within its first years on the market. I hope Nintendo realizes the need for exclusives like Uncharted and Gears of War if they want the hardcore demographic to switch over to the Wii U.

The later, maybe. The former not so much.
We know of Killer Freaks, plus the console exclusive of Ghost Recon Online.

 

[Akai]

Or maybe he's just of one of those devs that just has to use the controller screen for something and if they can't/don't know how, then they'll just not port the games at all.

Yeaaaaah, I consider this to be an outright lie developers have liked to use for whatever reason...

 

[Vinci]

I hope Levine is just trolling. Or maybe he just didn't have any plans at that time, but since then has had plans.

Or maybe he's just of one of those devs that just has to use the controller screen for something and if they can't/don't know how, then they'll just not port the games at all.

I suspect we are going to get a lot of that.

They could always be lazy as hell and just put the HUD on the damn thing. I mean, hell, I still see that option being thrown out as if it's some sort of godsend.

 

[Kjellson]

Ultra 64 was definite name at one time.

Really? That's great!

Looking forward to GDC.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I mean, come on, if there's going to be a Vita version of Infinite and the director loves this new platform, I'd be more hopeful for a port.

I don't think there is going to be a Vita version of Infinite.

 

[snesfreak]

Yeaaaaah, I consider this to be an outright lie developers have liked to use for whatever reason...

Developers lying to get out of making games for a Nintendo console?
They would never stoop so low.

 

[AceBandage]

I don't think there is going to be a Vita version of Infinite.

Right, they said they were "thinking" of an exclusive Bioshock for the Vita...
Just like there was an exclusive Oblivion for the PSP.
And an exclusive Resident Evil....

 

[ThatObviousUser]

I don't think there is going to be a Vita version of Infinite.

Oh? Hrm, seems like it's actually a separate game. That's even more confusing.

I wonder if it'll be RE PSP'd.

 

[ReyVGM]

Yeah but Ultra 64 was changed for legal reasons.

Well, not legal per se. They couldn't use the Ultra name in all regions (due to trademark issues), so they decided to drop it and use universal N64 name.

This is not the case with the Wii U. If Nintendo changes the name, it will be the first time they've done that after confirming the name and without trademark issues.

 

[bgassassin]

How likely is the name change rumour? I remember that there was a thread a while ago where Wii U was the definite name because it was trademarked, or something. I'm hoping for a name change but I'm guessing the name will stay.

I made that thread and even I didn't say it was definite.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Oh? Hrm, seems like it's actually a separate game. That's even more confusing.

I wonder if it'll be RE PSP'd.

I think Levine said fairly recently that he hadn't even thought of an idea for the game yet.

 

[AceBandage]

Regardless of the reasons, the Wii U name needs to go.
It's a bad name for many reasons, least of all being that it's just dumb.
It brings with it a certain stigma that it'll be a system for everyone but who Nintendo is trying to target.
As well as creates market confusion.

I think Levine said fairly recently that he hadn't even thought of an idea for the game yet.

Yup. RE PSP all over again.

 

[Jocchan]

Ken Levine being excited for the WiiU was PR.

He was probably the first to use the "we can't think of unique ways to use the controller so we're not making a WiiU version" excuse, which we're going to hear many times in the next few years.

 

[Somnid]

Ken Levine being excited for the WiiU was PR.

He was probably the first to use the "we can't think of unique ways to use the controller so we're not making a WiiU version" excuse, which we're going to hear many times in the next few years.

Why would they need the PR unless they were a prospective developer? Mark Rein was more than happy to shit all over the Wii in public and Epic did just fine.

 

[AceBandage]

Why would they need the PR unless they were a prospective developer? Mark Rein was more than happy to shit all over the Wii in public and Epic did just fine.

Epic is such a weird company.
I don't get hows it's run by two completely different people...

 

[Vinci]

Regardless of the reasons, the Wii U name needs to go.
It's a bad name for many reasons, least of all being that it's just dumb.
It brings with it a certain stigma that it'll be a system for everyone but who Nintendo is trying to target.
As well as creates market confusion.

I cannot understand everyone's utter disdain for the name of this console.

 

[AceBandage]

I cannot understand everyone's utter disdain for the name of this console.

Because it's the laziest thing you could do?
Because it really undersells just what the console is?
Because people are stupid and won't get that it's a new system?

 

[Jocchan]

Why would they need the PR unless they were a prospective developer? Mark Rein was more than happy to shit all over the Wii in public and Epic did just fine.

It was a Nintendo video with positive impressions from various third party developers, meant to promote the console, immediately followed by this.
So yup, PR.

 

[ReyVGM]

Regardless of the reasons, the Wii U name needs to go.
It's a bad name for many reasons, least of all being that it's just dumb.
It brings with it a certain stigma that it'll be a system for everyone but who Nintendo is trying to target.
As well as creates market confusion.

.

Yeah it's a bad name, but it's bad for us "hardcore" gamers. The non-gamers are already familiar with the "wii" brand. I think that what needs to go is the "u" part. Call it Wii 2, Wii Extreeeeme or whatever, but please drop that "u".

And Nintendo can say all they want about "focusing on the hardcore" this time around. That's bullshit, they are still going to produce "Wii ___" games and permit all those minigame collections the Wii had. Only that this time, thanks to the power of the console, other companies will be able to bring their HD "mature" games. They'll probably moneyhat some companies and do some partnerships here and there (like the Capcom 5 during the GC era).

Nintendo will still keep their family friendly image, advertising and Apple-like console design.

 

[Vinci]

Because it's the laziest thing you could do?

I would prefer it be called the Wii 2, but otherwise I don't get this complaint. Consoles don't traditionally have fantastically intriguing names... Dreamcast is probably the best that I can recall.

Because it really undersells just what the console is?

And what to your mind would properly sell what it is?

Because people are stupid and won't get that it's a new system?

I think this is exaggerated on this forum. Again, I'd prefer a '2' instead of the 'u,' but I think the doom and gloom over the name is overstated.

 

[Thraktor]

The later, maybe. The former not so much.
We know of Killer Freaks, plus the console exclusive of Ghost Recon Online.

Killer Freaks puzzles me a bit. Stylistically, the game doesn't seem to be going after the CoD/GoW crowd, but at the same time the whole FPS/RTS combination seems too complicated for a more casual audience. I don't really know who they're trying to sell it to, although it seems pretty interesting from a gameplay perspective.

Actually, a Left 4 Dead 3 with a similar set-up would be pretty nice. Four player co-op on the main screen (controlled with Wiimotes) and the 5th player taking the place of the AI Director on the Wii U pad.

 

[Jocchan]

WiiU is fine as a name, as long as the overall image of the console (which includes appearance, logo, marketing, and even packaging) is differentiated enough from its precedessor.

 

[Vinci]

FFS, people: Hardcore gamers are easy to get. All it takes is games, and those will either come or not completely independent of what the console's name is.

 

[AceBandage]

I would prefer it be called the Wii 2, but otherwise I don't get this complaint. Consoles don't traditionally have fantastically intriguing names... Dreamcast is probably the best that I can recall.



And what to your mind would properly sell what it is?



I think this is exaggerated on this forum. Again, I'd prefer a '2' instead of the 'u,' but I think the doom and gloom over the name is overstated.

It's not doom and gloom, so much as it is just "What the hell is Nintendo thinking?"
The system should, in no way, be compared to the Wii. It is not the Wii. It has a completely different philosophy from the Wii.
If anything, it should be a return to Nintendo's roots. Call it the Nintendo 6 or something. Ride the wave of nostalgia that they are with New Super Mario Bros.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

FFS, people: Hardcore gamers are easy to get. All it takes is games, and those will either come or not completely independent of what the console's name is.

This was never about hardcore gamers, though. Although trying to win them over with Wii _____ seems a bit backwards.

Brand differentiation is still a trouble with 3DS (although it's decreased), it had a commercial in Europe that had to come out and say "THIS ISN'T DS. THIS IS 3DS. MORONS."

Even Iwata had to address that it was actually a new console after E3, and people thought it was just a new Wii controller.

You overestimate the average buyer of consoles.

 

[Vinci]

It's not doom and gloom, so much as it is just "What the hell is Nintendo thinking?"
The system should, in no way, be compared to the Wii. It is not the Wii. It has a completely different philosophy from the Wii.

Wait. What? The only examples of any software shown for this system by Nintendo have been very clearly Wii-like in nature. Battle Mii and Chase Mii are clearly Wii-oriented. What are you looking at that I'm not? Throw in NSMB Mii and the pirate shield thing, and I'm curious what you're looking at.

And I'm going to tell you right now... IF the Wii U has a completely different philosophy than the Wii, Nintendo is in deep shit. It has to be a continuation of the Wii philosophy, but with other stuff layered on top. They cannot guarantee what 3rd parties will do, nor can they necessarily interest the 'hardcore' in their own titles. They know how to market to the Wii audience; they are still the best at it. Tossing that aside would be strategically moronic.

If anything, it should be a return to Nintendo's roots. Call it the Nintendo 6 or something. Ride the wave of nostalgia that they are with New Super Mario Bros.

The Wii was a return to Nintendo's roots.

This was never about hardcore gamers, though. Although trying to win them over with Wii _____ seems a bit backwards.

Brand differentiation is still a trouble with 3DS (although it's decreased), it had a commercial in Europe that had to come out and say "THIS ISN'T DS. THIS IS 3DS. MORONS."

Even Iwata had to address that it was actually a new console after E3, and people thought it was just a new Wii controller.

You overestimate the average buyer of consoles.

You mean the same folks who likely know that the iPhone 4 was different from the iPhone 3 and so forth? Where's the confusion coming from exactly? The confusion about the Wii U stemmed from Nintendo absolutely, horribly providing information during E3. Nothing else.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Developers are stupid as fuck, sometimes.

Different platform, different audience? I'm sure many developers might take a wait and see stance on the Wii U before committing, and why wouldn't they if we were to go by history?

 

[Emitan]

Doesn't help that Ubisoft released a tablet for the Wii with a "U" in the name...

 

[A less bigoted Deku]

Because it's the laziest thing you could do?
Because it really undersells just what the console is?
Because people are stupid and won't get that it's a new system?

Wii2 is even lazier and I think that's the best shot Nintendo has at keeping the brand equity they have with the Wii while indicating clearly it is a new gen platform.

The mistake some drew from the 3DS naming was that the 'DS' brand confused the public. That certainly wasn't the case, it was the focus on the 3D and the play on words they used not the fact that the public was confused by the DS in the branding.

 

[ReyVGM]

WiiU is fine as a name, as long as the overall image of the console (which includes appearance, logo, marketing, and even packaging) is differentiated enough from its precedessor.

It's not.

By that E3 conference, it looks exactly like a Wii. The promos look exactly like Wii promos. Their focus on those promos were family oriented, exactly like the Wii. The games used to showcase the console were Mii-style minigames. And the highlight of their E3 conference was that Lego game.

I know it was just for the show, but you weren't going to convert the hardcore gaming journalists with those promos and demos.

The Wii U will retain the exactly same "vibe" the Wii had, it's just that now we'll have the 3rd party ports we all wanted. Well... the ones that devs decide to publish if "they can figure out what to do with the controller".

 

[Mgoblue201]

This was never about hardcore gamers, though. Although trying to win them over with Wii _____ seems a bit backwards.

Brand differentiation is still a trouble with 3DS (although it's decreased), it had a commercial in Europe that had to come out and say "THIS ISN'T DS. THIS IS 3DS. MORONS."

Even Iwata had to address that it was actually a new console after E3, and people thought it was just a new Wii controller.

You overestimate the average buyer of consoles.

The Wii U should be relatively easy to distinguish from its predecessor given the different concept behind the controller (as opposed to the 3DS, which looks almost exactly like a DS and could easily be mistaken for a new iteration of the old handheld). In spite of the name, Nintendo can build a different brand with the console.

 

[Emitan]

You mean the same folks who likely know that the iPhone 4 was different from the iPhone 3 and so forth?

There's a new Wii every year?

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Wait. What? The only examples of any software shown for this system by Nintendo have been very clearly Wii-like in nature. Battle Mii and Chase Mii are clearly Wii-oriented. What are you looking at that I'm not? Throw in NSMB Mii and the pirate shield thing, and I'm curious what you're looking at.

And I'm going to tell you right now... IF the Wii U has a completely different philosophy than the Wii, Nintendo is in deep shit. It has to be a continuation of the Wii philosophy, but with other stuff layered on top. They cannot guarantee what 3rd parties will do, nor can they necessarily interest the 'hardcore' in their own titles. They know how to market to the Wii audience; they are still the best at it. Tossing that aside would be strategically moronic.



The Wii was a return to Nintendo's roots.



You mean the same folks who likely know that the iPhone 4 was different from the iPhone 3 and so forth? Where's the confusion coming from exactly? The confusion about the Wii U stemmed from Nintendo absolutely, horribly providing information during E3. Nothing else.

This is true and going from the NES to the SNES didn't hurt them any. Nintendo also advertised games being played with the Wii controller along with the new Wii U tablet. Obviously they don't want the previous consumers to feel alienated by going in an all new direction.

 

[Vinci]

I don't get the lazy comment at all. Not everything needs to be innovative each go around. Was Sony stupid for calling the PS2 the PlayStation 2? Should they adopted a less lazy, more novel name?

What sort of thinking is this?

There's a new Wii every year?

Don't be cute. What you guys are describing, as far as I know, has never proven an issue in the past for any console. It's about how they promote the thing, how they package it, and how they communicate. The latter is the only area in which I have any concern about Nintendo's skills, as last E3 was a total wash. Otherwise, it shouldn't be an issue given Nintendo does its damn job.

 

[AceBandage]

Wait. What? The only examples of any software shown for this system by Nintendo have been very clearly Wii-like in nature. Battle Mii and Chase Mii are clearly Wii-oriented. What are you looking at that I'm not? Throw in NSMB Mii and the pirate shield thing, and I'm curious what you're looking at.

And I'm going to tell you right now... IF the Wii U has a completely different philosophy than the Wii, Nintendo is in deep shit. It has to be a continuation of the Wii philosophy, but with other stuff layered on top. They cannot guarantee what 3rd parties will do, nor can they necessarily interest the 'hardcore' in their own titles. They know how to market to the Wii audience; they are still the best at it. Tossing that aside would be strategically moronic.



The Wii was a return to Nintendo's roots.



You mean the same folks who likely know that the iPhone 4 was different from the iPhone 3 and so forth? Where's the confusion coming from exactly? The confusion about the Wii U stemmed from Nintendo absolutely, horribly providing information during E3. Nothing else.

The controller tech demos that were just upressed Wii engines aren't indicative of actual completed games. As well, they aren't targeting the same "Playing is believing" mantra that the Wii was.
The Philosophy may build on the Wii one, but it's not even close to going to be the same. They don't have the same angle. Even at E3, Nintendo said it would be a more single player oriented system. A console directed in a different direction from the Wii.
They can not, and will not, recapture the Wii Audience with Find Mii and Battle Mii. They need something completely new and fresh.

And the Wii was only a return to their roots in some sense, but definitely not all. Especially during 2008 when they basically just gave up on trying to release anything.