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Dota 2 Beta Thread: [Brewmaster]
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Lanaya, just a wild guess. I'm pretty sure Bane's been done for a while, but they want to make actual sleeping animations for everyone, so that's why they haven't done him yet.
I just played an In House where we didn't have wards, and I solo'd the lane cause my Lich was busy doing other stuff or taking last hits, the Sand King farmed enough to carry mid game while the Dark Seer farmed enough to make Team Fights almost unwinnable for the enemy team. We didn't have wards till 39 minutes.
Just cause you don't have wards doesn't mean you can't farm, or become underfarmed if you spend 200 gold every 5 minutes on wards.
So yes you can win with Terrible supports. Also the enemy carry was pretty much 1v5ing our team, cause his supports were dying left and right, Shoutout Milk!
Whoever that Lich was, I think Doombass? You did fine btw, so don't take this post as saying your bad. You just need practice.
if you're competing with the other teams carry for gold/min its generally counterproductive, especially for the poor soul playing mid while the other hero knows where the runes are/ can see ganks coming
and are you actually saying that nobody bothered to gank you in the jungle? doesn't sound like you were playing against people that knew what was going on.
Unhandled Exception
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Guys I suck at Dota 2.
Dreams-Visions
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regular lobby matches are interesting. particularly when you find yourself with a dumb teammate that actually thinks *everyone else* is actually dumb. Example:
Dumb ally: "Come"
*watches him begin to run up the river toward top where he knows 4 (yes 4) enemy heroes are, as they just killed a teammate*
*notices that the other 3 teammates are either dead or far away and can't help*
Me: *begins to follow just to help keep him alive when he finds trouble*
Dumb ally: dies quickly
Me: barely gets away
Dumb ally: "You guys are fucking stupid. Why didn't you all follow me? I give up."
*Dumb ally begins buying endless couriers and sends them out. as cannon fodder*
*Dumb ally proceeds to go 0/9/1, while blaming everyone else, and typing "haha" everytime a teammate dies*
Dumb ally: "Come"
*watches him begin to run up the river toward top where he knows 4 (yes 4) enemy heroes are, as they just killed a teammate*
*notices that the other 3 teammates are either dead or far away and can't help*
Me: *begins to follow just to help keep him alive when he finds trouble*
Dumb ally: dies quickly
Me: barely gets away
Dumb ally: "You guys are fucking stupid. Why didn't you all follow me? I give up."
*Dumb ally begins buying endless couriers and sends them out. as cannon fodder*
*Dumb ally proceeds to go 0/9/1, while blaming everyone else, and typing "haha" everytime a teammate dies*
Unhandled Exception
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I went 0/5/7 in my first game. 
Should I give up?
Should I give up?Technosteve
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I went 0/5/7 in my first game.
do you pause during games? if not i'll mm with you
really, these games give so much power over other peoples enjoyment to disgruntled teenagers and manchildren. One asshole can control the outcome of the game so basically premade teams are the only way to avoid it.
cant really complain when you're queuing up with 1 or 2 people
Archie, Sanjay, Milkman confirmed awful. I didn't say I jungled, I farmed in lane, just they prioritized protecting their carries farm as opposed to stopping mine, and yes it's counter productive and of course the supports should get the wards, that's not what the issue is, the issue is whether someone can carry a team with a single hero. Which has been proven time and time again, to be true.
My chances of winning the game are higher if the best player on my team is playing Anti-Mage compared to playing Crystal Maiden.
This is absolutely 100% false, if your carry is dying to magic damage, and they don't have BKB and you see that, obviously you can blame the game failure on the lack of BKB, same can go for focusing wrong targets, there is a combat log in game to check things like who was attacking what. Similarly if they are allowing themselves to be ganked even with vision, then you can directly blame their lack of items leading to a loss.
You can't be serious
Technosteve
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watching i wonder if he's going to talk ingame chat, i want to listen to him coach.
I don't like Pausing, and I hate how dota 2 does it.
of course they can
I dont think anyone denied that
I do find it unusual that you won with no vision for most of the game though
its kind of unheard of
PillowKnight
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What what what.
You were 2v1 against a beastmaster, with a lich in your lane, and you proceed to free farm/feed off bm for the first 20 min with zero pressure on you. While your team dominates all their lanes.
Meanwhile, in the dire jungle naix(the opposite team's carry) is free farming without a care in the world.
Both carries did well, guess which team actually won?
The game was basically over before naix could even do anything because the rest of his team got outskilled. Only reason it went on that long is because you all started dicking around.
Sometimes it's obvious, but a lot of the time it isn't. Thinking back though, I take that part back, people tend to get flak regardless of what role they play. I just find it funny that more than half the time the wrong person gets blamed. I've had games were I tell my team "we lost because of me" and they still try to blame a person in a different role.
The guy who mines the data for the game is predicting Obsidian Destroyer, cause he has lots of finished textures and command strings added in recently and Valve mentioned they wanted to add some more competitive heroes in, as evidenced by the recent addition of data regarding Lycan and Syllabear in addition to OD. Those other four have had shit in the game for a long time.
MustacheBandit_
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I went 0/5/7 in my first game.
Did your team win? This isn't COD. Not all heroes need nor will have a positive k/d ratio to determine how well they played.
Dreams-Visions
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yea. it depends on the character selected as well.
0/5/7 is acceptable for Omniknight, for example. or other Support characters.
0/5/7 is probably not acceptable for Drow Ranger or other Carries. Most players pick complimentary characters, expecting the Carry to perform to the usual expectations. If not, it can mess up the teams chances.
/n00bcommentary
Unhandled Exception
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No we didn't win. I was playing support, forget exactly which character though.
Also competing with Last hits with said Lich, to the extent he nuked the creep waves more then he nuked beastmaster
Because we had Dark Seer, any other hero and Milk would've outcarried
They were very much in that game, as Milk was killing 2 people in the duration of 1 Rage, ironically your comments about a carry losing a game for a team would somewhat apply here, if he had a BKB he'd have been unkillable. Most of his deaths late were because I was able to Ult him on Huskar and lower him to half followed up by an SK stun and Windrunner Shackle combo, and even after those there were instances where he almost lived, like that team fight at mid around 38 minutes.
No, really, it's very easy to see where a weak link is on a team, if it exists. If you have no wards, obviously your support are slacking, lack of items such as dust / Sentries / Smoke can all be attributed to lack of Support input. If your losing team fights because you don't have enough damage, but your team comp is ok, then you need to look at their items versus yours and then look at your carries items and what they did during the fight, similarly looking at initiators and whether they initiated etc. People will play the blame game at the end of a bad loss regardless, but analysing what went wrong, it's pretty simple to see where your weakest point was.PillowKnight said:
I wasn't taking the game super serious till we started losing, and even then I just left it up to the abilities of the Dark Seer, plus I wasn't expecting much because I knew we had new people on the team and coaching them was something I didn't feel like dealing with at the time. Under normal circumstances we would've been a little more structured.
ehhhhhh
The_Player
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Did he stream this one? Gosh, we were stomped, how embarrasing.
I was the carry, and I ended the game with Treads, Helm, BKB, and Hyperstone, that's very far from 1 hour of free farm.
True Carry was Dark Seer and that Broken Ultimate
Technosteve
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he was coaching bot tri lane set up and Tide was FEED GOOD
then it doesn't sound like you were solo carrying at all
who was in the game so i can watch the replay?
Dreams-Visions
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just started playing with Dro.
5 matches under my belt and i already feel like i'm cheating. frosty arrows are too good!
5 matches under my belt and i already feel like i'm cheating. frosty arrows are too good!
nobody is arguing?
We get it that you don't like it when people pause the game, but do you realize that 9 other people that were also playing? like you pissed off 9 other people in a gaf inhouse?
You will remembered for being a dick who could not have the patience to wait for a few minutes to continue what was a good game. Like if you had a emergency then fine but to leave on the principle alone for the anti pause defense group? are you like Rorschach some one that does not compromise.
Trolls trolling trolls.
I think it was Dark Seer, Sand King, Huskar, Lich, and Windrunner, but Private games don't get saved or no? I kinda feel like we're saying the same thing here.then it doesn't sound like you were solo carrying at all
who was in the game so i can watch the replay?
The_Player
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Lonely Dazzle against a trilane. We had a bad pick.
oh... nah theres not replays for private
honestly i dont even know if there is an argument, maybe slightly different opinions
PillowKnight
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I didn't watch the game that closely, and hardly payed attention to the late game, I did manage to catch you running into four stuns without popping your BKB in a very throw worthy fashion
. Regardless, that game was an awful example because both team's carries had as much room as they wanted to farm, yeah maybe you weren't getting 100% of the last hits but you still had very very little pressure.The bolded is akin to saying a carry couldn't carry because of lack of farm, the very basics. Supports do much more than that, and you know this which is why your argument is so strange. Perhaps if team fights were binary and success could always be a simple "if person did x we would win," but they're much more complex than that and supports play a vital role.
I can't agree at all as far as knowing who won and why by just looking at a replay, even then there'd be so much ambiguity because every choice creates a divergence that ripples throughout the rest of the game.
then it doesn't sound like you were solo carrying at all
who was in the game so i can watch the replay?
Dire point of view
Mid was Sand King (Heart, PK & Sceptre?) vs Lina (pipe)
Top Drow/VS (items we had nothing got raped) vs Windrunner and DarkSeer
Bot was Beastmaster vs Lich and Huskar
and milkman farmed jungle and was mad farmed.
They must have had a huge gold advantage, game was over but somehow we lasted longer then we should have due to milkman's farm. Drow was a new player and and pretty much did no damage in teamfights as she had no items and escapes, VS I did my one stun/swap and died, beast master ulti came in handy to set up pyro shit but even then they raped our support so fast and to focus the other team with DS ulti is hard as fuck.
Primal Roar goes through BKB, using it prior to the roar is a waste, I'll be stunned for the duration.I didn't watch the game that closely, and hardly payed attention to the late game, I did manage to catch you running into four stuns without popping your BKB in a very throw worthy fashion
I listed the rudimentary responsibilities of all those roles, of course if you go into a case by case basis it's far more complex, but for the sake of argument it's not really feasible, but if any of those things aren't done, it's justifiable to put the loss on that person. That game you went lich and built Daedalus and Assault Cuiress, if we didn't have someone else warding and lost I would have blamed you for going un-orthodox builds and not warding, equally you would have said it's my fault for making Rapier first as it's not a smart item choice.
Pillowknight said:
Without a doubt we would've lost.
Gully State
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You aren't alone...got freakin owned by normal bots tonight....
yes... he's one of the most op discovered heroes right now, my team first picks him over antimage. he's that good
he's not really relevant in the dota 1 metagame though. not sure why.
I do remember a joke game where we picked heroes with clones, like morph and spectre, just because they had a darkseer
and then also had a carry with manta
was quite a mess really
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PillowKnight
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Time to agree to disagree, this could go on forever. My brief reply : 1)I never meant to exclude any role from blame/loss of game my point was solely on each role's input into winning the overall game(which in my opinion goes solo mid(ganking semi carry)>support=carry. 2) Any support buys push stick kite naix crying all the way to the well.Primal Roar goes through BKB, using it prior to the roar is a waste, I'll be stunned for the duration.
I listed the rudimentary responsibilities of all those roles, of course if you go into a case by case basis it's far more complex, but for the sake of argument it's not really feasible, but if any of those things aren't done, it's justifiable to put the loss on that person. That game you went lich and built Daedalus and Assault Cuiress, if we didn't have someone else warding and lost I would have blamed you for going un-orthodox builds and not warding, equally you would have said it's my fault for making Rapier first as it's not a smart item choice.
Without a doubt we would've lost.
As far as lich goes, I wouldve bought wards that game if they were needed. It's a legit build i'm trying out; it works because of lich's armor and because he's completely mana regen independent. The gist is to fulfil the support role but build physical dps items.
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