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Our worst performances under Kenny have come against you imo. Last season when you won 2-0, we offered absolutely nothing in attack, and all over the pitch we looked like 11 players who'd just been put together for a chartity match or something. Then at WHL earlier this season, we were just horrendous and undisciplined throughout. Hoping for a change tomorrow.

The ref being card happy and Skrtel at right back really didn't help in that match. Pretty sure we ended up with Carroll at Left Mid as well :/

Out of interest, how would you guys deter diving and improve refereeing if you were dictator of the FA?

There has to be consistent yellow cards for players who are caught diving. Diving should also be punishable (automatic yellow card) in an after match review if a complaint is made.
 
I don't think I've ever seen you mention those three points in regards to your dislike of Siere A.

Me and Yurt had a debate about it a few months ago, revolving largely around the Moggi situation and such repercussions. But no, it's never a subject I've talked about considerably here.

World Cup 2006 didn't help. ; )
 
The ref being card happy and Skrtel at right back really didn't help in that match. Pretty sure we ended up with Carroll at Left Mid as well :/.

This. We did good when we were doing ok with 10 men on the field. Once we went down to 9 all hell broke loose.


Out of interest, how would you guys deter diving and improve refereeing if you were dictator of the FA?

Suspension for the player if it's been proven he was diving. After a certain amount, a team as whole would have points docked from their tally.

I'd like to see sin bins rather than the yellow/red system we have now.

I agree. I would rather them do something similar to hockey then give a player red card and send him off for the rest of the match. I really hate seeing any team play at disadvantage especially if it comes as a mistake on the referee behalf.
 
There has to be consistent yellow cards for players who are caught diving. Diving should also be punishable (automatic yellow card) in an after match review if a complaint is made.
This. Yellow card for any player that exaggerates contact, particularly in the box.

And if I were ref, I'd instruct the players that if they dare attempt to surround or influence me following a contentious incident, I'd yellow card them immediately. We must rid the game of that.
 
Welcome back Lucho!

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I agree. I would rather them do something similar to hockey then give a player red card and send him off for the rest of the match. I really hate seeing any team play at disadvantage especially if it comes as a mistake on the referee behalf.

That's great!

I don't expect any positive changes to the game with this guy around though..
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Still a pretty good record though.

In my mind I expect Spurs to win but Suarez is back and Liverpool look much better with him in the side. It should be a good game. Spurs only know how to play the one way and they'll be going for it. If Modric begins to dominate like he can do I think Spurs will walk away with the points so Liverpool's CM will need to be up to the task.

Liverpool are unbeaten at home in absolutely ages though. Have you guys even lost at home during Daglish's second coming? Always a tough place to get a result.

Yup, last season.

Spurs... :(.

Unbeaten at home in all comps this year though. Shows the potential of this new team if we can turn some of those draws into wins next season.
 
The ref being card happy and Skrtel at right back really didn't help in that match. Pretty sure we ended up with Carroll at Left Mid as well :/

lol the ref being 'card-happy' had nothing to do with it. All Adam did was foul Parker and Modric, Skrtel the same with Bale (when he was actually able to get near him). We played with pace and even Lucas was unable to affect the game.
 
This. We did good when we were doing ok with 10 men on the field. Once we went down to 9 all hell broke loose.




Suspension for the player if it's been proven he was diving. After a certain amount, a team as whole would have points docked from their tally.



I agree. I would rather them do something similar to hockey then give a player red card and send him off for the rest of the match. I really hate seeing any team play at disadvantage especially if it comes as a mistake on the referee behalf.
They were going to trial a scheme in Germany that if you owned up to diving you wouldn't get in trouble, and you wouldn't get the free kick. And if you didn't own up, you would be retrospectively banned. I don't know if this was actually trialled or if it was a success.
 
lol the ref being 'card-happy' had nothing to do with it. All Adam did was foul Parker and Modric, Skrtel the same with Bale (when he was actually able to get near him). We played with pace and even Lucas was unable to affect the game.

Gotta say I agree. All 4 significant bookings were blatant, especially Adam's second which could easily have caused real damage to Parker
 
Due to the huge differences in interpretation between referees, will a video referee system every truly work?

I just don't see it working with football. We bicker over decisions here with the aid of hundreds of replays...
 
I agree about the cards. Our undoing against Spurs last time was our right side, and our defensive injury problems. You cant go into a game like Spurs with their left side, and have both your primary and backup right backs injured, and Henderson on the right wing shielding the out-of-position Skrtel. Add to that Agger's injury and the result was inevitable.
 
That's great!

I don't expect any positive changes to the game with this guy around though..
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I don't expect it either. Would be great if we had someone come in with the mindset for the game instead of their pockets.

They were going to trial a scheme in Germany that if you owned up to diving you wouldn't get in trouble, and you wouldn't get the free kick. And if you didn't own up, you would be retrospectively banned. I don't know if this was actually trialled or if it was a success.

That would be a decent way of doing it also. if it was trialled or if it was a success, I'm sure we would have heard of it already.
 
video review is the future. have the referee make the call, and while the penalty is getting set up a fifth official looks at the tape. he tells the ref what really happened on the headset and if the ref thinks it is a dive after hearing what the fifth official has to say, he changes the call to an indirect kick to the defense and a yellow for the player.

if the referee does not make the call to begin with, no video review. diving would disappear, because every dive would result in a caution. but the referee still has ultimate discretion so it respects the laws of the game.
 
lol the ref being 'card-happy' had nothing to do with it. All Adam did was foul Parker and Modric, Skrtel the same with Bale (when he was actually able to get near him). We played with pace and even Lucas was unable to affect the game.

I'm not saying they weren't fouls and no doubt the discussion has been done but normally players get away with a few fouls here and there rather than - Two fouls two bookings. I guess you could say the ref was following the letter of the law but then that brings up the consistency argument.

Think people forget it was 1-0 at half time. As for pace - You do that every game you play which is why when you met Real Madrid you came unstuck. They matched Spurs for pace and smashed them with quality.
 
video review is the future. have the referee make the call, and while the penalty is getting set up a fifth official looks at the tape. he tells the ref what really happened on the headset and if the ref thinks it is a dive after hearing what the fifth official has to say, he changes the call to an indirect kick to the defense and a yellow for the player.

if the referee does not make the call to begin with, no video review. diving would disappear, because every dive would result in a caution. but the referee still has ultimate discretion so it respects the laws of the game.

Yeah, pretty much! That's how it is in basketball!
 
AP reporting that they have heard a tape of Capello in which he says;

I completely disagree with the FA about the John Terry decision and I have told that to the chairman. I considered and I still consider Terry to be the England captain. I think we should first wait for the trials conclusion.

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What a farce, Capello is absolutely ridiculously stupid if he's been taped saying that.
At this point I genuinely hope Rooney, Rio, Jones, Smalling, Welbeck, Carrick and the saviour that is Thomas Cleverley all pick up 3 week injuries in the final minute of the final game of the season so they can stay the hell away from the shambles that will be the England camp this summer.

Young can go though. Don't give a shit about him.
 
You're trying to imply I'm a hypocrite because I apparently wrote off De Gea but gave Savic the benefit of the doubt. But... I never wrote De Gea off. I was correcting Brinbe who said he hadn't been poor this season. Stop reaching mate, you're not doing yourself any favors.

To clarify, my definition of 'rubbish' is more good than bad. I feel he's fucked up more than he's shined. My opinion.

In regards to the A-League...Yes, I have said it's on the up. It is. But I have never said it was great, like you claimed I had. What the fuck are you talking about? :lol

Forgive me for being a bit late in response, as the issue has definitely passed, but I just went out and took advantage of the nice sunshine today.

Just want to clarify to Kermit and maybe others, that I never said De Gea hasn't made costly mistakes at times this year, because I've definitely clarified that in my previous response and I've definitely criticized him in previous threads/matches. And I never said he's been close to perfect or anything.

But my only point is that those mistakes are perhaps a bit magnified due to the club and position/expectations. And from watching him from month-to-month, I just don't think that a few mistakes MAKES him a totally bad/rubbish keeper for us (and on this point, I can see where others would disagree) and considering that despite his youth, new league, rotating back-line, he's helped us to get to 2nd. And in most mundane games he's played without issue, and has even saved us a few results, but no-one but Utd supporters are prob paying close attention then.

So, perhaps my only issue, (and what I was defending in the first post you quoted) is that the criticism has been a bit too much. Of course, on rating him, our opinions differ there, but eh, opinions. That's Footie-GAF. =)
 
Think people forget it was 1-0 at half time. As for pace - You do that every game you play which is why when you met Real Madrid you came unstuck. They matched Spurs for pace and smashed them with quality.

We came unstuck against Real Madrid because we replaced Lennon with Jenas just before kick-off, because Crouch got sent off, because we forgot how to defend a cross and because Gomes fucked up a routine shot. Playing with pace had fuck all to do with it, we did all the hard work for them.
 
Out of interest, how would you guys deter diving and improve refereeing if you were dictator of the FA?

- Remove the over complication of rules. If you're offside you're offside.
- Let the referee ref the game, rather than manage an event
- If video evidence is to be used retroactively, it should be used for all 'incidents' or none at all.
- As above divers should be retroactively suspended
- Players who have aggressively went into injury an opponent should face a ban equal to the length of the injured players injury (probably too hard to justify)
- If 'play acting' leads to a player being sent off and suspended, only for the red card to be over turned on appeal the player who play acted should receive the ban instead.
 
I absolutely hate it when referees make decisions based on circumstances in the game. Hate mercy decisions, it shouldn't matter if its the first 5 minutes of the game, you make a yellow card or red card offense you get a yellow or red. If a team is losing 4-0 and they give away a penalty but the referee doesn't call it because he already gave one earlier is bullshit. Same with sending offs, so many matches I've seen where a player should be sent off for a second yellow but because its late in the game and their team is losing they just get a caution.
 
I absolutely hate it when referees make decisions based on circumstances in the game. Hate mercy decisions, it shouldn't matter if its the first 5 minutes of the game, you make a yellow card or red card offense you get a yellow or red. If a team is losing 4-0 and they give away a penalty but the referee doesn't call it because he already gave one earlier is bullshit. Same with sending offs, so many matches I've seen where a player should be sent off for a second yellow but because its late in the game and their team is losing they just get a caution.

This is what I mean by 'managing an event'. This isn't a term I've coined, this is a term used by a referee who has 'managed' games in the Premiership.
 
We came unstuck against Real Madrid because we replaced Lennon with Jenas just before kick-off, because Crouch got sent off, because we forgot how to defend a cross and because Gomes fucked up a routine shot. Playing with pace had fuck all to do with it.

You could of had a full team against Madrid and you would of gotten spanked in the same manner. I remember it well just how disappointed Bale looked after he realised he couldn't knock it past Ramos and out run him. Although to be fair to Bale I don't think he was fit.
 
So, Holstein Kiel on Tuesday. Hard to say what to expect, it will be either over very soon or a total bitch of a night.

Klopp should give Langerak, Santana, Perisic and Barrios a start. Maybe give Kagawa a rest too and let Gündogan or Lewandowski play there. And I would love to see Löwe get some time again. Sure, sounds like a B team but they are good enough and the only thing which could cost us a win is a "lol Kiel" mentality.
 
You could of had a full team against Madrid and you would of gotten spanked in the same manner. I remember it well just how disappointed Bale looked after he realised he couldn't knock it past Ramos and out run him. Although to be fair to Bale I don't think he was fit.

I'm sure we would have lost the game with a full team, I'm just disputing that our pacey style of play was our undoing. It wasn't. We fielded a lop-sided team, defended terribly, and Bale and VDV were half-fit at best. In the end, as chastening as it was, it will hold us in good stead if we do get back into the CL.
 
Wait...He was whinging and throwing a hissy-fit because Skrtel didn't get sent off for drawing a dive out of Toure when they were 2-0 up and about to take a penalty in the 80th minute? Why would you react like that?
We're waiting for him to come back and tell us just that.

Manager, we know you're reading this. We won't bite!

That's a lie. If you return you will but cut to pieces.
 
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