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Good Job Bob said:
I don't understand why Amazon would leave behind the respectable ecosystem they've built on Android to start a new one on a rocky, unsure platform.
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Because they really don't care about the underlying platform. It's not like most people look at a Kindle Fire or Nook Color/Tablet and think 'Android'. While they may have opened up the device to their Android Marketplace ... it's still targeted towards apps made specifically for the Fire just like B&N is doing. Essentially it's no more Android than their respective eInk devices. It's kind of like the original XBMC being Linux, unRAID being Linux, etc. As far as the user is concerned ... it's really its own thing.

With that in mind, if they feel WP7 makes more sense in terms of user simplicity ... it's quite possible they'll go that route. Obviously they may do with their own thing that's a completely 'new' platform (based on Android), but this could present the path of least resistance. If they were to do their own thing, I really doubt it would be Kindle Fire's UI on a phone. It would be a different platform, and likely have apps made specifically for it. So in reality their isn't all that much cohesion staying with Android overall. Sure there are some advantages in terms of dev environment and experience, but I don't think they'd be coming up with something like Ice Cream Sandwich that yields a one-size-fits-all solution between tablet and phone.
 
antiquegamer said:
There seems to be a lot of shake up and moving around at Microsoft during the last few months but that is common I suppose. What do you think of the rumor of Windows Phone on Amazon?
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Would cost them money to license the platform. The reason they went the way they've gone with say the Fire is it's all free besides their in house stuff.
 
Complex Shadow said:
can someone explain this to me. is arm gonna be like x64 which emulates x86 when need be? or will x64 emulate both 86 and arm. but neither arm or x86 emulate anything. or is it just a free for all.
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Apps you're using right now on your Windows 7 computer won't work on Windows 8 tablets that use Tegra, Snapdragon, OMAP, and other arm chips. The only exceptions are IE10 and Office 15.

Windows 8 metro apps (the ones that are fullscreen) will work on any Windows 8 computer or tablet. That means devices using Intel or AMD chips, as well as Tegra, Snapdragon, OMAP, etc.

Windows 8 ARM: Metro apps, IE10, Office 15
Windows 8 x86/x64: Metro apps, existing legacy apps
 
Brettison said:
Would cost them money to license the platform. The reason they went the way they've gone with say the Fire is it's all free besides their in house stuff.
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Until they settle with MS :p


In all seriousness, I think you're underestimating the costs and time involved with doing things in-house. It's very possible they would have preferred to pay a licensing fee for something closer to a pre-baked solution. There simply wasn't one available. They didn't actually have a choice here.
 
giga said:
Apps you're using right now on your Windows 7 computer won't work on Windows 8 tablets that use Tegra, Snapdragon, OMAP, and other arm chips. The only exceptions are IE10 and Office 15.

Windows 8 metro apps (the ones that are fullscreen) will work on any Windows 8 computer or tablet. That means devices using Intel or AMD chips, as well as Tegra, Snapdragon, OMAP, etc.

Windows 8 ARM: Metro apps, IE10, Office 15
Windows 8 x86/x64: Metro apps, existing legacy apps
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so my best bet would be a tablet/laptop hybrid with x64bit architecture
 
Alright as someone who's been a casual Twitter person I'm trying to use the platform more. Being casual meant on my phone I mainly use the built in twitter hooks in people, and have the official app for backup.

The official app sucks and always funks up on me though, and since I'm trying to use twitter more often I think it's time to go 3rd party.

What should I go with? I've heard Rowi is good? I use Tweetdeck for Chrome on my Desktop/CR-48, but I don't think there is a WP app. I know I think it was Beez or something was good, but that was waaayyy back at launch. I've also heard of Mehdoh?

Show me the light WP Twitter GAF!

PS: For bonus you can throw up your twitter handle and I'll follow you! :P
 
I dropped my Omnia 7 (on a hard, dry floor) and the touch screen stopped working. I sent it off to be repaired and they told me they won't because it's due to water damage. It did get a bit wet in the rain about 6 months ago, but it has worked fine ever since. Could the water have left evidence without causing damage, and they've just assumed that is the cause or could the drop have somehow caused some kind of dormant damage to manifest?

If the phone is working perfectly aside from the touchscreen, how much should a fix be and who should I approach, Samsung or just a third party phone repair shop?
 
InaudibleWhispa said:
I dropped my Omnia 7 (on a hard, dry floor) and the touch screen stopped working. I sent it off to be repaired and they told me they won't because it's due to water damage. It did get a bit wet in the rain about 6 months ago, but it has worked fine ever since. Could the water have left evidence without causing damage, and they've just assumed that is the cause or could the drop have somehow caused some kind of dormant damage to manifest?

If the phone is working perfectly aside from the touchscreen, how much should a fix be and who should I approach, Samsung or just a third party phone repair shop?
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You can get a new digitizer on ebay and replace it yourself.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-origi...286723?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3f0efb4083
 
Brettison said:
Alright as someone who's been a casual Twitter person I'm trying to use the platform more. Being casual meant on my phone I mainly use the built in twitter hooks in people, and have the official app for backup.

The official app sucks and always funks up on me though, and since I'm trying to use twitter more often I think it's time to go 3rd party.

What should I go with? I've heard Rowi is good? I use Tweetdeck for Chrome on my Desktop/CR-48, but I don't think there is a WP app. I know I think it was Beez or something was good, but that was waaayyy back at launch. I've also heard of Mehdoh?

Show me the light WP Twitter GAF!

PS: For bonus you can throw up your twitter handle and I'll follow you! :P
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Mehdoh, tweet it! Should be getting a big update soon so it's one to watch
 
Complex Shadow said:
so my best bet would be a tablet/laptop hybrid with x64bit architecture
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Matters your use-case.

I think x64bit solutions will obviously have battery life limitation versus the ARM offerings.




InaudibleWhispa said:
I dropped my Omnia 7 (on a hard, dry floor) and the touch screen stopped working. I sent it off to be repaired and they told me they won't because it's due to water damage. It did get a bit wet in the rain about 6 months ago, but it has worked fine ever since. Could the water have left evidence without causing damage, and they've just assumed that is the cause or could the drop have somehow caused some kind of dormant damage to manifest?

If the phone is working perfectly aside from the touchscreen, how much should a fix be and who should I approach, Samsung or just a third party phone repair shop?
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There's a sticker thing in the battery compartment that changes color with moisture.
 
Was this posted?

Smartphone and PC vendors to treat WP8 differently, say sources

With the exception of Nokia, other major handset vendors will probably not commit resources to develop WP8-based smartphones, indicated the sources, adding that PC vendors such as Acer, Hewlett-Packard (HP) and Dell may optimize the new platform to make a comeback in the smartphone segment.
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According to Microsoft's roadmap, Mango will be upgraded to Tango in March-April 2012, to Tango 2 in mid-year, and to WP8 (codenamed Apollo) at year-end 2012, with a large volume of WP8-based smartphones to hit the market in the first half of 2013, the sources revealed.
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That blows hardcore if Tango is what we thought Tango was going to be aka making the platform ready for lower cost handsets. Waiting till late 2012 for Apollo with most W8 handsets hitting in 2013 just blows.

It also seems idiotic for MS so I doubt this news. They can't be selling just Tango phones come Sept. which will basically be Mango phones spec wise with Apollo launching late in the year i.e. Q4 like say November. Not with all of the ICS phones coming and the iPhone 5 over the summer.

Rumor also seems bunk because MS doesn't do two rounds of the same update i.e. Tango 1 and Tango 2.

PS: Ugh got the keyboard glitch typing this. WTB update ASAP ATT! K Thnx Bye!
 
Brettison said:
It also seems idiotic for MS so I doubt this news. They can't be selling just Tango phones come Sept. which will basically be Mango phones spec wise with Apollo launching late in the year i.e. Q4 like say November. Not with all of the ICS phones coming and the iPhone 5 over the summer.
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It's almost certain that you'll have nothing but tango phones and 2nd gen spec'd phones into september/october. Stuff like the 900, Titan II, and the Samsung phone will be the best Windows Phones available until the fall, you can just about bet on it.

Why would you think we'd get any different hardware before Apollo in the fall?
 
OK!

I got an Optimus 7. However, the music output on it is crap. Is there anything like the sound enhancer on HTC phones available in the marketplace?
 
Brettison said:
That blows hardcore if Tango is what we thought Tango was going to be aka making the platform ready for lower cost handsets. Waiting till late 2012 for Apollo with most W8 handsets hitting in 2013 just blows.

It also seems idiotic for MS so I doubt this news. They can't be selling just Tango phones come Sept. which will basically be Mango phones spec wise with Apollo launching late in the year i.e. Q4 like say November. Not with all of the ICS phones coming and the iPhone 5 over the summer.

Rumor also seems bunk because MS doesn't do two rounds of the same update i.e. Tango 1 and Tango 2.

PS: Ugh got the keyboard glitch typing this. WTB update ASAP ATT! K Thnx Bye!
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Nothing's changed and the roadmap is still the same. The wide release of Mango phones came in October and November 2011, which isn't much earlier than the "late 2012" date for Apollo. Tango's also supposed to bring smaller changes for all devices, like system wide search, folders, smaller media controls.

So, should MS release this faster? Yeah sure, I bet they'd love to release it tomorrow, including several phones from everyone, but as far as I can tell, they're still on schedule. Nothing of this comes as a surprise.

Oh hey Bret, btw, how's the flashing of you GFs Android phone going? Did you finally find a ROM that isn't crap?
 
frontieruk said:
Mehdoh, tweet it! Should be getting a big update soon so it's one to watch
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There are three decent third party twitter clients on Marketplace that I've used extensively. Birdsong, rowi, and mehdoh. Try them all out and see what ya like given your daily use needs. Personally, mehdoh takes the cake.

twitter handle: janderiscool if you are so inclined to follow.
 
brotkasten said:
Nothing's changed and the roadmap is still the same. The wide release of Mango phones came in October and November 2011, which isn't much earlier than the "late 2012" date for Apollo. Tango's also supposed to bring smaller changes for all devices, like system wide search, folders, smaller media controls.

So, should MS release this faster? Yeah sure, I bet they'd love to release it tomorrow, including several phones from everyone, but as far as I can tell, they're still on schedule. Nothing of this comes as a surprise.

Oh hey Bret, btw, how's the flashing of you GFs Android phone going? Did you finally find a ROM that isn't crap?
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She had a test Friday so I wasn't allowed to touch her phone till after. She uses to many apps for school that she didn't want to risk anything. I'm going to put Cyan on when I get a chance, but idk if that'll fix anything.

I think we are just going to go to the ATT store later in the week and see wtf is up. She still can only send SMS messages about half the time, and calling out is a problem as well. She starts her clinical again tomorrow though so we'll have to wait till Wed. at the earliest.

Sort of wish she just had an iPhone right now. :/

PS: I still think the rumor is off because when has MS done two updates under the same name? Just seems odd. I can see tango being more featured though since it's been in the works longer than expected.

Still think getting the kernel switch would be a higher priority for MS so why would they do two Tangos? Seems like they would push what they've got done now and call that Tango, and after that full speed ahead on Apollo if it isn't already. No need to try and slide a new Tango 2 release in between as it would take to much extra effort for little gain verses just getting Apollo out ASAP.

PPS: This isn't a hate on MS. I think judging by what we know they are ahead of that schedule for Apollo. I think the key will be how fast it can go from done to in the hands of the public at large. I'd be surprised if it isn't done by E3.
 
Brettison said:
PS: I still think the rumor is off because when has MS done two updates under the same name? Just seems odd. I can see tango being more featured though since it's been in the works longer than expected.
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The Tango 1 and 2 thing isn't new. It has been rumored for like 6 months, originating from Mary Jo Foley I believe. I'm fairly sure its true.
 
Jason Raize '75 - '04 said:
Xbox Live app needs to be mango enabled with some live tile functionality.
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We have to actually get the Xbox Team to care about the platform in general 1st.

PG2G said:
The Tango 1 and 2 thing isn't new. It has been rumored for like 6 months, originating from Mary Jo Foley I believe. I'm fairly sure its true.
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News to me. I guess I must have missed that. Still going by how MS has done things so far they seem to do an update every 6 months or so, and they call them different names. This would be departure from that.

Other reason why I hesitate on this is because that's 2 separate updates that they'd have to send through internal testing and then carrier testing verses just 1. Plus if you go by the current update out there for someone like AT&T they'd have to update to Tango 1 if they can't miss two updates in a row policy is still in place since we don't have the keyboard fix update out. Yet they could skip out on Tango 2 until Apollo hits.

IDK it just seems more trouble that it would be worth, but hey it could be how things are done. I also think if this is true then Tango 1 would have to be right around the corner if they are spacing the updates out. I assume they are spacing things out cause if Tango 1 and 2 were released really close together they'd just do one big update instead.
 
Raistlin said:
Until they settle with MS :p


In all seriousness, I think you're underestimating the costs and time involved with doing things in-house. It's very possible they would have preferred to pay a licensing fee for something closer to a pre-baked solution. There simply wasn't one available. They didn't actually have a choice here.
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It seems they don't want to use Android outright but instead use modified version. They were also point out that their marketplace is more "secure" than Google's android marketplace. However, the reason they would want to license Windows Phone OS is for the phone, if the rumor is true about they wanting to make their own Amazon phone. Now the problem would be is MS going to allow amazon own marketplace on top of Microsoft marketplace.
 
It's coming this month.

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Besides the UK, Nokia's home nation of Finland will also be among the first to receive stock of the white Lumia 800, along with Russia, Italy, Germany, Switzerland, and Poland. Other markets in which the Lumia 800 is already out will follow on from March onwards.
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http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/6/2774657/nokia-white-lumia-800-release-date
 
I'd be interested in a glossy to matte finish comparison.

That is honestly the first white phone I've ever thought looked good. A 900(10) in white should look incredible.

Though when its all said and done I'll probably still go Black 900 and not wait. I'd love for them to do a Grey as well.
 
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