Combichristoffersen
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Did they even give any real explanation for changing the name from Agito XIII to Type-0?
Knowing SE, I'm sure it's the latter.
Final Fantasy Versus XIII was announced in 2006. It is now 2012. These are facts.
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Did they even give any real explanation for changing the name from Agito XIII to Type-0?
Knowing SE, I'm sure it's the latter.
Meccanical
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Well Tabata said it was because he felt the game really had nothing to do with XIII, but in actuality it may be because they plan to milk the hell out of it with subsequent sequels.
It's more acceptable when it's a thread with news, this one started with nothing to discuss really. The threads when we do get trailers, or scans, or interviews are still good I think. Hopefully we'll have something new sooner rather than later.
Having played it, I think it still did in many ways... or at least they could have simply called it 'Final Fantasy Agito.'
I played XII and DQ8 back to back and I finished every sidequest in XII besides the last 2 hunts and I was bored every step of the way and wanted to finish because im a completionist in my RPG's. I had much more fun with DQ8 at the time and found the story more interesting. FFX is my favorite shame most people don't like it.
Meccanical
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I think we will start seeing info after KH3D releases.
At least that recent interview made it seem like he listed things in order as far as plans for this year.
Now that you mention it, Square probably sees collaboration with another major studio as diluting the FF franchise.
XIII-2's sales did have something to do with XIII's perception, but there's a lot more to that story. Personally I loved XIII, but I almost didn't buy XIII-2. That's because Square-Enix has consistently shown that their spinoffs just aren't in the same league as their main titled series. They aren't given the same budget, they aren't given the same effort, and a lot of times they try weird things that just don't work. Dirge of Cerberus is pretty universally disliked. X-2 was off-putting to a good group of people. I haven't heard much good about the FF4 sequel. Most of the add on dungeons and stuff to the main games were just crappy bullet points. Sales show this. X-2 sold about half of what X did. Quite frankly I'm pretty surprised XIII-2 got 1/3 of the sales of XIII in the first week. That's pretty decent considering the perception.
Really, it's the same thing as Disney sequels. Even if I loved a main disney movie I'm likely going to completely ignore the sequel, because Disney has proven time and time again that their sequels are barely more than money grabs. I'm not saying FF spinoffs are in the same league, but it's the same sort of idea.
People in general have that idea about spinoffs to games. They know the budget won't be as much, and it just won't have the same amount of effort put into it. There are obviously exceptions to this rule, but it is kind of the norm.
Now you have Final Fantasy Versus XIII. That name signifies to someone who hasn't been paying attention that it's a spinoff. Most would think it's a spinoff of XIII. Some would think it's likely a fighting game spinoff of XIII. A while back the Giantbomb people didn't even know what it was. They thought it was a direct sequel to XIII or a spinoff in that exact world. When people who work in the industry and report on/play games for a living don't know what the hell you're selling them because of a crazy name you know you've got a problem. That's not to say that the game couldn't get sales with that name. It's just that makes square-enix's marketing that much harder. And the reviews have to be that much better. And at this point I think people are just too skeptical of JRPGs, and so I don't really see that stuff happening.
Really, it's the same thing as Disney sequels. Even if I loved a main disney movie I'm likely going to completely ignore the sequel, because Disney has proven time and time again that their sequels are barely more than money grabs. I'm not saying FF spinoffs are in the same league, but it's the same sort of idea.
People in general have that idea about spinoffs to games. They know the budget won't be as much, and it just won't have the same amount of effort put into it. There are obviously exceptions to this rule, but it is kind of the norm.
Now you have Final Fantasy Versus XIII. That name signifies to someone who hasn't been paying attention that it's a spinoff. Most would think it's a spinoff of XIII. Some would think it's likely a fighting game spinoff of XIII. A while back the Giantbomb people didn't even know what it was. They thought it was a direct sequel to XIII or a spinoff in that exact world. When people who work in the industry and report on/play games for a living don't know what the hell you're selling them because of a crazy name you know you've got a problem. That's not to say that the game couldn't get sales with that name. It's just that makes square-enix's marketing that much harder. And the reviews have to be that much better. And at this point I think people are just too skeptical of JRPGs, and so I don't really see that stuff happening.
It feels like it's time. If there is a XIII-3, they need it out while PS3 is still viable, so it'll probably be 12/13 in Japan, Versus seems very likely to be this December in Japan, if that is the case, they need to start ramping up in the next few months.
staticneuron
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You don't think they will just drop the XIII part and simply name it FF Versus? Why number it if it is a spin off?
There shouldn't be a XIII-3. It would be a waste of resources to develop an unwanted sequel to a sequel no one wanted in the first place.
Because FF Versus sounds like a fighting game.
If there should or shouldn't be one is probably pretty low on SE's greenlight tick box list. If they don't resolve the To Be Continued they'll lose even more face.
They said it's coming.
Pfft just do a digital release + PSP remaster as the same time.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
I'm sure they'll release it one way or another, but if it'll be a PSN-only release for the PSP or they'll port it to the 3DS or the Vita is up in the air.
Meccanical
Member
They already said they were working on an overseas version.
Though over which seas?
Who knows.
Though over which seas?
Who knows.
AgentOtaku
Member
holy shit, just opened GAF and saw this thread. lol
I recall DLC being the main reason behind it. You may be right though.
Well, we do have a thread for this. Just send everyone there.
Combichristoffersen
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It's not a spin-off.
Neither is Type-0, but they dropped the number from that as well.
Ah, but you know how GameFAQs works. Until Square officially announces the game, there'll be people saying all manner of stuff. Specifically that it isn't coming out for PSP because pirates. Or rather, as one keeps saying, because so many pirates no money. Which makes me wonder: does nobody pirate this stuff in Japan?
Gonna sound like a noob on this, but what's a PSP remaster? Is that like what they did with Peace Walker?
I wouldn't mind it on 3DS. I think saying anything beyond that is port-begging, so I'll just avoid that, hahaha. I wonder if it going multi-platform would draw the same ire that XIII going multi-platform did?
Meccanical
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Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Good question. I've wondered about console piracy in Japan too, but I guess the use of custom firmware for pirating and such isn't as widespread over there as it is in the West?
A PSP remaster is what they did with Peace Walker, yes. Basically porting a PSP game to the PS3,
And I doubt Type-0 going multiplat would draw much ire, really.
I salute anyone and everyone who managed to get half way through 12 without murdering someone
Ghost_Protocol
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How are XIII-2's sales doing over here?
Final Fantasy Community Thread - please direct all fanwar bullcrap here.
Because the proposed feature list is very exciting.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
As long as we get a lot of meaty information and footage this E3, I honestly do not mind if the game is another year or two away. The title's clearly ambitious in scope. Let them take their time and realize the vision they had as opposed to rushing half-baked dissappointments like previous entries.
Also, I hope they just drop "XIII." Considering the idea behind how the game's suppose to deviate from norms of the series as a whole, Final Fantasy Versus sounds just fine. Anyone that's a remote fan of the series will already know that it's not a fighting game.
This. is. Amazing. I would day 1 this in a heartbeat. I think FFVII's graphics have really gone past the awkward stage and are now clumsily adorable and charming. If SE puts out a new, HD game today with similar, simple, blocky visuals it's an instant purchase for me.
My god being a Square fan back then was GLORIOUS. We got home-runs on a yearly basis and now we get a slap in the face every 4 (or more) years or so. I blame all of this solely on Wada. Not Toriyama, not Nomura, but SE's pus-filled blister of a head honcho Wada. He needs to GTFO.
I adore X. Way more than XII. XII isn't a bad game perse (it has a beautiful world), it's just that with its emphasis on grinding and underwhelming story it just feels like a glorified-dungeon crawler. Which is the last thing I want from a Final Fantasy game.
The guy making it had very little to do with the gameplay of the previous let-downs and a lot of control over Versus, so yes.
Y...you're right. ( ._.)
Also, I hope they just drop "XIII." Considering the idea behind how the game's suppose to deviate from norms of the series as a whole, Final Fantasy Versus sounds just fine. Anyone that's a remote fan of the series will already know that it's not a fighting game.
Maybe it's taking so long because they've scrapped everything we've seen so far and rebuilt it for the PS1.
This. is. Amazing. I would day 1 this in a heartbeat. I think FFVII's graphics have really gone past the awkward stage and are now clumsily adorable and charming. If SE puts out a new, HD game today with similar, simple, blocky visuals it's an instant purchase for me.
My god being a Square fan back then was GLORIOUS. We got home-runs on a yearly basis and now we get a slap in the face every 4 (or more) years or so. I blame all of this solely on Wada. Not Toriyama, not Nomura, but SE's pus-filled blister of a head honcho Wada. He needs to GTFO.
I adore X. Way more than XII. XII isn't a bad game perse (it has a beautiful world), it's just that with its emphasis on grinding and underwhelming story it just feels like a glorified-dungeon crawler. Which is the last thing I want from a Final Fantasy game.
The guy making it had very little to do with the gameplay of the previous let-downs and a lot of control over Versus, so yes.
Y...you're right. ( ._.)
TeK-DeLorean
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http://flyingwankey.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/final-fantasy-xiii-versus/
This wasn't posted yet? Wow.
Massive Versus spoilers, SE internal rumors, etc
Or giant blog of lies you decide
This wasn't posted yet? Wow.
Massive Versus spoilers, SE internal rumors, etc
Or giant blog of lies you decide
lulz really? Dont know looks like more in 2013.
Lavalamp1138
Member
I stopped reading in the beginning when I realized that the writer couldn't even match the correct names with the right characters.
The Emperor
Member
What if S-E rebranded FF Versus XIII as a new IP?
Would it work, would it even be a possibility?
*takes cover*
Oh my goodness that better all be false or Versus XIII IS RUINED for me!
Would it work, would it even be a possibility?
*takes cover*
Oh my goodness that better all be false or Versus XIII IS RUINED for me!
No.
A. It's already being marketed as a Final Fantasy title so people will know it as such.
B. The whole style of the game has FF all over it. (Art, CG etc.) Not only that but even the features listed. They'd have to scrap that.
They wouldn't be able to recoup the investment without the brand name. That's one of the stronger reasons to simply rename it XV.
Overall though, I think it's best if they stuck to their guns and come up with better marketing. If they also plot a Vs13-2 ahead of time, I suppose there's nothing much that can be done about that, since they need to earn more from all the development they did.
If they do a super joke FF13Type0Vs crossover reusing assets till kingdom come, ohoho.
From what I understand, Nomura had a different vision for the series. I can see where he is coming from after having played FFXII. Now we just need to see the end result of his vision.
I'm not expecting something revolutionary anymore. Give me a decent battle system, a game that isn't as linear as FFXIII, graphics that can compare to FFXIII, good music, a non-retarded script and I'll be fine.
The Emperor
Member
True true
It was silly to even mention that, its just on some of the last pages in this thread some people said Nomura's aim behind Versus XIII was to have a game "Versus...so opposed...different" from Final Fantasy in general
That just made me think that "Hey then why not make it a new IP".
Of course Fabula Nova Crystallis is also the key thing here that links it to the FF brand.
APZonerunner
Member
Name's shit. They should rename it.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Since we're exploring what-if's, can you just imagine the shitstorm if they just renamed Versus "FFXIII-3" and, last minute, shoe-horned in some half-assed, plot-hole-filled attempt at tying it into FFXIII's story and cast?
It's the last thing I'd want to see to happen to Versus (and it would crush me as a fan) but I can't help and think how massive and epic the meltdowns would be.
(I'll stop being terrible now.)
The Praiseworthy
Member
Maybe it's taking so long because they've scrapped everything we've seen so far and rebuilt it for the PS1.
OMG!!!
I want this..... I soooo want this!!!
Wish SE could do RPGs like this for PSN
Meccanical
Member
I would laugh.
Laugh my way all the way to Japan.
Then I would laugh some people to death.
They're making rpgs like that for phones lol.Wish SE could do RPGs like this for PSN
I feel like it's further away than that, but I also can't imagine if it's not this December, when it could be coming out. If there is a XIII-3, they aren't going to release them both in the same season, they need a year's gap really, that'd make Versus 2014, which is probably past the point PS3 is a viable platform for them.
The Emperor
Member
*considers the possibility*
*Laughs a little bit*
*Laughs even more and doesn't stop laughing*
The only way I would accept that is if they made the cause for that "lame half assed plot-hole twist" a.......*drumroll* TIME PARADOX!!!!!!!!