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[BlackJace]

Final Fantasy Versus doesn't make sense, if it gets rebranded, they'll change the Versus bit too I imagine.

How does Final Fantasy Versus not make sense? If anything, Versus XIII is a bigger nonsensical title. Agito XIII also didn't make much sense as well. Type 0 makes a much better emphasis on what the game is.

Versus XIII is the antithesis of what XIII is, a brighter and more colorful story about a band of triumphant individuals. In fact, thats what all FF games are really about.
Changing to Final Fantasy Versus shows that its the darker contrast to what the series is about.

Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[cj_iwakura]

XIII is a pretty dark game, actually. It sure isn't sunshine and rainbows.
Well, in terms of tone, not so much in terms of visuals.

 

[Riposte]

Guess what other yet-to-be-released game was announced in 2006.

Much like Episode 3, I don't get the feeling FFVXIII was really in development in 2006 or for awhile after.

 

[StuBurns]

How does Final Fantasy Versus not make sense? If anything, Versus XIII is a bigger nonsensical title. Agito XIII also didn't make much sense as well. Type 0 makes a much better emphasis on what the game is.

Versus XIII is the antithesis of what XIII is, a brighter and more colorful story about a band of triumphant individuals. In fact, thats what all FF games are really about.
Changing to Final Fantasy Versus shows that its the darker contrast to what the series is about.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Versus means in opposition to, Versus XIII literally meant the antithesis of XIII. Final Fantasy Versus on it's own doesn't make sense.

Agito means can be moved, or portable essentially, so Final Fantasy Agito would still have made sense.

The whole series is not as bright and saturated as XIII, VII, the most popular, is really dark for the most part.

 

[spats]

Maybe it's taking so long because they've scrapped everything we've seen so far and rebuilt it for the PS1.

 

[Meccanical]

Maybe it's taking so long because they've scrapped everything we've seen so far and rebuilt it for the PS1.

Oh wow.

 

[BlackJace]

Saying Versus puts it up against something right? Saying Final Fantasy Versus puts it up against what the series is about. Yes, VII was "dark" in a sense, but it was essentially just a steampunk setting. Versus XIII is looking like it really is trying to differentiate itself from the series. The game is a CONTRAST. Not just a contrast to XIII, but all other FFs.

 

[salromano]

Maybe it's taking so long because they've scrapped everything we've seen so far and rebuilt it for the PS1.

That's awesome, lol. Where'd you get that?

 

[spats]

That's awesome, lol. Where'd you get that?

I did it, haha.

 

[Meccanical]

I did it, haha.

Not bad.

The sad thing is I'd play it.

 

[StuBurns]

Saying Versus puts it up against something right? Saying Final Fantasy Versus puts it up against what the series is about. Yes, VII was "dark" in a sense, but it was essentially just a steampunk setting. Versus XIII is looking like it really is trying to differentiate itself from the series. The game is a CONTRAST. Not just a contrast to XIII, but all other FFs.

The point is what Nomura thinks, and he named it what he did because of it's opposing focus to XIII, not the Final Fantasy series, in fact he's compared the game to VII a number of times. It doesn't really matter what you or I think makes sense, he gets to pick the name, and I was just saying if dropping XIII makes the name no longer true to his opinion of the game (which is probably the case given his comments), it won't have that name.

He seems to be pretty much free to do whatever he wants, be that for good or ill.

EDIT: That screenshot is awesome.

 

[BlackJace]

The point is what Nomura thinks, and he named it what he did because of it's opposing focus to XIII, not the Final Fantasy series, in fact he's compared the game to VII a number of times. It doesn't really matter what you or I think makes sense, he gets to pick the name, and I was just saying if dropping XIII makes the name no longer true to his opinion of the game (which is probably the case given his comments), it won't have that name.

He seems to be pretty much free to do whatever he wants, be that for good or ill.

EDIT: That screenshot is awesome.

And with that, I'd have to agree.

Anyways, a name's a name at the end of the day, and I'm still going to buy the game regardless.

 

[mhayze]

I remember when a FF was a major event, now it's more like, "Final Fantasy XIII-2 is out? When did that happen? Do I care?" (the answer is no, after reading some reviews.)

Releasing yet another game in the lame duck (IMHO) XIII series so many years after it was first hyped is just silly. The world has moved on, and the chance that yet another FFXIII game will set the world on fire in 2012 or 2013 is slim. They should do themselves a favor and not release any game with that title.

 

[Meccanical]

The point is what Nomura thinks, and he named it what he did because of it's opposing focus to XIII, not the Final Fantasy series, in fact he's compared the game to VII a number of times. It doesn't really matter what you or I think makes sense, he gets to pick the name, and I was just saying if dropping XIII makes the name no longer true to his opinion of the game (which is probably the case given his comments), it won't have that name.

He seems to be pretty much free to do whatever he wants, be that for good or ill.

EDIT: That screenshot is awesome.

http://www.edge-online.com/features/interview-tetsuya-nomura

Actually in this interview he specifically states that the Versus is about the series as a whole rather than just XIII.

Not that I think opposing XIII is a bad thing, and the game seems to be doing that anyway intentionally or not.

 

[StuBurns]

http://www.edge-online.com/features/interview-tetsuya-nomura

Actually in this interview he specifically states that the Versus is about the series as a whole rather than just XIII.

Not that I think opposing XIII is a bad thing, and the game seems to be doing that anyway intentionally or not.

I stand corrected, I've read that interview before too, which makes it worse.

I guess logically it'd have to be 'Versus Final Fantasy', but still, yeah.

 

[BlackJace]

http://www.edge-online.com/features/interview-tetsuya-nomura

Actually in this interview he specifically states that the Versus is about the series as a whole rather than just XIII.

Not that I think opposing XIII is a bad thing, and the game seems to be doing that anyway intentionally or not.

Wow, I was about to drop the whole name debate, but thanks for that comment. I thought I was just surmising about Versus being about the whole series, I actually didn't know Nomura said something about it haha.

 

[Grisby]

Maybe it's taking so long because they've scrapped everything we've seen so far and rebuilt it for the PS1.

I would play this so hard.

 

[Anteater]

Whenever it's dropping, I'll be there

You have my axe Lord Nomura

 

[RDreamer]

From a marketing perspective Final Fantasy Versus or Versus Final Fantasy or Final Fantasy Versus XIII immediately conjures up some sort of fighting game, not a separate story based RPG like it actually is. That's essentially the biggest problem.

 

[salromano]

I would play this so hard.

Agreed.

You shouldn't have posted it. Now I want it. :\

 

[royalan]

http://www.edge-online.com/features/interview-tetsuya-nomura

Actually in this interview he specifically states that the Versus is about the series as a whole rather than just XIII.

Not that I think opposing XIII is a bad thing, and the game seems to be doing that anyway intentionally or not.

But haven't we all learned by now not to take everything Nomura says at face value? Especially when he's waxing poetic about his current project?

Because so far everything I've seen of Versus looks like the love child of FFVII and VIII. Nothing's really jumped out at me as "Oh shit! Final Fantasy will never be the same after this game!" That honor goes to XII.

Well, there's the modern setting. But FF always changes its setting, so this was really only a matter of time.

So yeah, I think they should scrap the name.

 

[Meccanical]

But haven't we all learned by now not to take everything Nomura says at face value? Especially when he's waxing poetic about current project?

Because so far everything I've seen of Versus looks like the love child of FFVII and VIII. Nothing's really jumped out at me as "Oh shit! Final Fantasy will never be the same after this game!" That honor goes to XII.

Well, there's the modern setting. But FF always changes its setting, so this was really only a matter of time.

So yeah, I think they should scrap the name.

When has Nomura ever lied?

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

I'm fairly confident Versus will be renamed to XV following these comments back in November 2011:

Yoshinori Kitase, producer of Final Fantasy XIII-2, has hinted that the next iteration of Final Fantasy could see it drift away from its turn-based roots and be an action-RPG.

In an interview, Kitane told us that the increasing popularity of action-RPGs compared to their turn-based equivalents represented "a trend…you ignore at your peril."

"I think the nature of the franchise is to present something new each time," Kitase said. "In the global market we see many players moving away from games that used turn-based systems toward what you might term an action-RPG.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=452173

 

[royalan]

When has Nomura ever lied?

You don't have to lie to exaggerate.

 

[Meccanical]

True.

But every developer exaggerates.

 

[StuBurns]

I'm fairly confident Versus will be renamed to XV following these comments back in November 2011:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=452173

That would be an easy solution to the issue certainly.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

There's no reason they shouldn't just call it FF15 at this point.

 

[Conrad Link]

Honestly I'm hoping for a name change, never liked Versus.

If its gonna catch more people's eyes by new numbering it, and its actually as good as it 'should be' after all this crap, go for it.

 

[laika09]

There's no reason they shouldn't just call it FF15 at this point.

Suppose it depends on which brand is more poisoned in the eyes of the consumer. I'm not sure either one (FF or FFXIII) is doing too hot.

 

[StuBurns]

Suppose it depends on which brand is more poisoned in the eyes of the consumer. I'm not sure either one (FF or FFXIII) is doing too hot.

You're suggesting a non-Final Fantasy title? That'd be pretty brave.

Kingdom Heartless, that has a ring to it.

 

[RDreamer]

Suppose it depends on which brand is more poisoned in the eyes of the consumer. I'm not sure either one (FF or FFXIII) is doing too hot.

As far as sales go, spinoffs have always been a poison. So naming it Versus XIII isn't going to gain much for sales at all. People will think it's a spinoff game. Mainline FFs get sales, because they're viewed as having large budgets and a lot of care put into them. More than a spinoff anyway. Versus has the budget and care of a mainline FF. It shouldn't be put out to pasture with a spinoff name.

 

[Meccanical]

You're suggesting a non-Final Fantasy title? That'd be pretty brave.

Kingdom Heartless, that has a ring to it.

Oh wow.

 

[Rpgmonkey]

There's starting to be a thread about this game almost every month, haha.

 

[Meccanical]

There's starting to be a thread about this game almost every month, haha.

Some day we'll actually be able able to talk about the game itself rather than bitching about how it's still not released or questioning its existence.

What a day that will be.

 

[cyborg009]

Looking at the gameplay it seems very dated even type-0 seem better

 

[Meccanical]

Looking at the gameplay it seems very dated even type-0 seem better

They gameplay footage is so early its not even smart to judge right now.


Nobody knows how the game will really play.

 

[StuBurns]

In what sense is it dated?

 

[Aeana]

Looking at the gameplay it seems very dated even type-0 seem better

It's definitely very, very simplistic in what they've shown so far. It's been a concern for me. I really hope they have made it better, because as it is now, it just looks like Kingdom Hearts 1.

 

[Diablos]

At this point they could just completely divorce the story from anything XIII related and call it FF15. It's been that long, and that highly anticipated.

Versus is a dumb name. Lots of westerners will probably think it's a fighting game based on XIII and ignore it.

 

[Plywood]

Maybe it's taking so long because they've scrapped everything we've seen so far and rebuilt it for the PS1.

Versus XIII development started on PS1 like Too Human confirmed.

 

[7Th]

Playing Versus after going through the dynamic and fast-paced BbS is going to be a pain.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

Rewatching the gameplay video, they could do a Monster Hunter kind of multiplayer with that gameplay

Spoiler

with another 6 years of development.

 

[Meccanical]

At this point they could just completely divorce the story from anything XIII related and call it FF15. It's been that long, and that highly anticipated.

Versus is a dumb name. Lots of westerners will probably think it's a fighting game based on XIII and ignore it.

I think automatically associating the word Versus with fighting games is pretty dumb personally.

At least Versus is an actual word unlike Dissidia.

 

[Diablos]

I think automatically associating the word Versus with fighting games is pretty dumb personally.

It is, but you can't change the way people think. You can change the way you name a game.

FF Versus XIII just sounds lame. Ditch XIII relations and call it XV, or maybe Type-1 or something.

 

[laika09]

It's definitely very, very simplistic in what they've shown so far. It's been a concern for me. I really hope they have made it better, because as it is now, it just looks like Kingdom Hearts 1.

Reading between the lines of developer quotes, the gameplay footage from that trailer represents at best a first iteration of the combat system. Then compare it to, say, the combat from the FFXIII demo versus how that game shipped, and it's somewhat less concerning.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

It's definitely very, very simplistic in what they've shown so far. It's been a concern for me. I really hope they have made it better, because as it is now, it just looks like Kingdom Hearts 1.

I find it inconceivable that they'd run with a battle system less interesting than BBS. I know that wasn't their system but I'm sure they could easily take notes.

There's no reason they shouldn't just call it FF15 at this point.

I hear Yoichi Wada is consulting a fortune teller on the subject as we speak.

 

[StuBurns]

The XIII demo's combat is identical to the combat at that part of the game.

 

[Meccanical]

Reading between the lines of developer quotes, the gameplay footage from that trailer represents at best a first iteration of the combat system. Then compare it to, say, the combat from the FFXIII demo versus how that game shipped, and it's somewhat less concerning.

Wat people fail to understand is that it's an RPG, they showed the beginning of the game, you don't have everything at the beginning, combat gets more complex and challenging as enemies become tougher and you get new abilities.

 

[Jigsaw]

I think automatically associating the word Versus with fighting games is pretty dumb personally.

At least Versus is an actual word unlike Dissidia.

how many games are there that have versus in there title and are not fighting games?

 

[Rpgmonkey]

I don't really get the "people will think it's a fighting game" claim.

To most people around the world, the game doesn't exist or might as well not exist until Square-Enix kicks the marketing and information flow into high gear. And by then with the marketing they should see that it's an Action-RPG, unless SE screws up horribly at showing that.

It can be argued that it's not an appropriate title (anymore at least), but that's not a very good reason for it.

Looking at the gameplay it seems very dated even type-0 seem better

Yeah, in the trailer the combat doesn't really look that fluid and dynamic, especially when compared to a lot of Action-RPGs out there.

I'm not going to take this as an example of what the game will be like for the most part, but personally I don't really have any high expectations from the game when it comes to the combat system.