Winter 2012 Anime Thread 2.22: You Can (Not) Outpost Cajunator

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Everyone, all together now.
Uh, they went to a hot springs and had high school hijinks. And, Yu finished the priestess social link. I have no idea what's the progress is for the other members, but next week :[
 

Jintor

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Persona 4 - Episode 12

Holy fuck, the
Boss-battle fake-out is amazing

That was really well done. I didn't expect it at all.

F-f-fucking Nakama, dudes.
 

iavi

Member
[Ano Natsu 5-7]

Inserting characters in specifically to hurry character relationships on is an interesting contrast to the usual 'have character relationships move at an Ah! My Goddess' pace. I'm not saying it's necessarily better, but it is far more entertaining.

It's a shoujo cliche. I wouldn't say that it's any better in a sense, but I can definitely say that I prefer it if only for the fact that it, like you said, forces resolution and keeps the plot in pace.
 

Articalys

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Rankings time, February 20-26:

DVD
*1, 16,236 16,236 Uta no☆Prince-sama♪ Maji Love 1000% vol.6
*2, *9,861 *9,861 Gintama' vol.8
*3, *5,894 *5,894 Persona 4 The Animation vol.4 Limited Edition
*4, *5,245 *5,245 Hotarubi no Mori e Limited Edition
*5, *4,083 *4,083 Ao no Exorcist vol.9
*6, *4,011 *4,011 Natsume Yuujinchou Shi vol.1 Limited Edition
*7, *3,967 *3,967 Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch R2 DVD Box
*8, *3,683 *3,683 Hetalia World Series Fan Disc
*9, *3,579 *3,579 Working'!! vol.5 Limited Edition
10, *2,963 *2,963 Sekaiichi Hatsukoi 2 vol.3 Limited Edition
11, *2,376 *2,376 Starry☆Sky vol.13 Special Edition
12, *2,269 *2,269 Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai vol.2
13, *2,208 *2,208 Bleach Gotei 13 Tai Shingun Hen vol.1
14, *2,026 *2,026 Sora no Otoshimono: Tokeijikake no Angeloid Limited Edition
15, *1,895 *1,895 The iDOLM@STER vol.5 Limited Edition
16, *1,877 *1,877 Guilty Crown vol.2 Limited Edition
17, *1,499 *1,499 No.6 vol.6 Limited Edition
18, *1,489 *1,489 Lupin III: Blood Seal - Eternal Mermaid
19, *1,462 *1,462 Nurarihyon no Mago: Sennen Makyou vol.6
20, *1,457 *1,457 Crayon Shin-chan Selected Episodes Box
21, *1,272 *1,272 Baka to Test to Shoukanjuu Ni! vol.6
22, *1,231 *1,231 Ikkitousen: Shuugaku Toushi Keppuuroku
23, *1,158 *1,158 Keroro Gunsou 7th Season vol.13
24, *1,142 *1,142 Junjou Romantica 2 DVD Box
25, *1,034 *1,034 ef - a tale of melodies. DVD Box vol.2
26, **,997 **,997 Kimi to Boku. vol.3 Limited Edition

Blu-ray
*1, 18,837 18,837 Persona 4 The Animation vol.4 Limited Edition
*2, 18,461 18,461 Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon vol.3 Limited Edition
*3, 15,804 15,804 Steins;Gate vol.9
*4, 12,990 12,990 Top wo Nerae! Blu-ray Box
*5, *9,252 *9,252 Uta no☆Prince-sama♪ Maji Love 1000% vol.6
*6, *8,675 *8,675 Sora no Otoshimono: Tokeijikake no Angeloid Limited Edition
*7, *8,104 *8,104 Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai vol.2
*8, *7,886 *7,886 Working'!! vol.5 Limited Edition
*9, *7,879 *7,879 Fireball Charming
10, *7,171 *7,171 Hotarubi no Mori e Limited Edition
11, *7,159 *7,159 The iDOLM@STER vol.5 Limited Edition
12, *6,624 *6,624 Scryed Alteration I: Tao Limited Edition
13, *6,145 *6,145 Guilty Crown vol.2 Limited Edition
14, *5,253 *5,253 Natsume Yuujinchou Shi vol.1
15, *4,828 *4,828 Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae wo Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai Live Limited Edition
16, *4,214 *4,214 Mawaru Penguindrum vol.5 Limited Edition

Single CD
*6, 25,921 25,921 Bleach "Harukaze"
*8, 16,188 16,188 Dragon Age: Blood Mage no Seisen "Until The Last Day"
10, 10,531 10,531 Bleach "Mask"
11, 10,429 10,429 Kaji Yuuki "sense of wonder"
13, *7,746 31,100 Aquarion Evol "Kimi no Shinwa ~Aquarion Dai Ni Sho~"
17, *5,711 *5,711 New Prince of Tennis "Enjoy"
27, *3,977 *3,977 New Prince of Tennis "Mirai no Bokura e"
31, *3,479 *3,479 Brave 10 "Seirei Hirai"
32, *3,357 *3,357 Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou "Shiny tale"
35, *2,874 51,606 Nisemonogatari "Naisho no Hanashi"
42, *2,376 19,699 Papa no Iukoto wo Kikinasai! "Happy Girl"
49, *1,789 *1,789 Mobile Suit Gundam Seed "Annani Issho Datta noni ~Retracks"

Album CD
*3, 18,458 18,458 Horie Yui "Himitsu"
*7, 14,739 14,739 LiSA "Lover'S'Mile"
41, *2,672 47,174 Hatsune Miku "Vocalodream"
 

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Romanes Eunt Domus
Are those Gunbuster sales high enough to save GAINAX?
who cares anyway

edit: Penguindrum :'( at least sales seem to be consistent with each volume.
 

Jintor

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Persona 4 - Episode 13

Woah, new OP! Awesome.

Holy shit, this is the best filler episode ever.

/edit I see what's happening! This is awesome. They've done a really good job of integrating the completely random crap into the anime.
 

wonzo

Banned
A surprisingly accurate depiction of relationships in elementary school.
yeah, the depiction of that kinda relationship in episode 5 was one of the best i've ever seen

Rankings time, February 20-26:

Blu-ray
*1, 18,837 18,837 Persona 4 The Animation vol.4 Limited Edition
*2, 18,461 18,461 Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon vol.3 Limited Edition

*3, 15,804 15,804 Steins;Gate vol.9
*4, 12,990 12,990 Top wo Nerae! Blu-ray Box
*5, *9,252 *9,252 Uta no☆Prince-sama♪ Maji Love 1000% vol.6
*6, *8,675 *8,675 Sora no Otoshimono: Tokeijikake no Angeloid Limited Edition
*7, *8,104 *8,104 Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai vol.2
*8, *7,886 *7,886 Working'!! vol.5 Limited Edition
*9, *7,879 *7,879 Fireball Charming
10, *7,171 *7,171 Hotarubi no Mori e Limited Edition
11, *7,159 *7,159 The iDOLM@STER vol.5 Limited Edition
12, *6,624 *6,624 Scryed Alteration I: Tao Limited Edition
13, *6,145 *6,145 Guilty Crown vol.2 Limited Edition
14, *5,253 *5,253 Natsume Yuujinchou Shi vol.1

**, *4,828 *4,828 Live Limited Edition
15, *4,214 *4,214 Mawaru Penguindrum vol.5 Limited Edition
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at least fireball charming did well....
 
Bodacious Space Pirates 8 - I know saying "this show is great" yet again is sounding like a broken record, but well... it is.

So, this episode sets up an arc that feels like a plot that well fits this show's "Star Trek as anime" style -- a stowaway on their ship wants the cast's help, and Marika decides to help her. Of course, because this is anime, the girl is a young blonde-haired princess (and on a related note, I don't see any Star Trek style bumpy forehead aliens either... or exploding bridge consoles in ship battles, on another note. :) ). Yeah, her character design's pretty generic anime stuff. The plot's good, though, and the episode's cliffhanger ending is cruel... I don't want to have to wait a week to know what happens next!

So yeah, they've gotten pulled into some mystery thanks to the princess' involvement, the only question is, what's going on.
Why do a fleet of supposedly friendly ships seem to be shooting at a ship that based on design should be one of their allies? We'll see next time...
In between the beginning and the end, there's a section where Marika and the new girl go to her school; the girl temporarily transfers in while working with them, of course. Can't miss a chance for another girl in a Japanese-style school uniform! The
big crowds of girls all wanting to see this princess
were amusing though, so the scene was alright. And yes, the episode overall was certainly quite good. :)

I'll be honest and admit I've only skimmed a majority of the thread (because 72 pages goddamn) so it could just be a case of the grass seeming greener. The discussions and arguments do seem more fun despite if it gets heated. There certainly seems to be less vitriol. Of course my opinion could just be a little colored because of how the last couple of arguments in the manga thread have gone.

True, the majority of Mangaf is plenty happy but it just seems less fun if that makes any sense. Maybe because the group over appears to be more tightknit or something? Maybe it's probably because I had one too many sangrias to drink tonight.
Most of mangagaf is about shonen stuff exclusively, which is very different from the much more varied interests of animegaf... that ensures more conflict in the anime thread, I think. It's not like the manga one where everyone reads/watches the same stuff.

Well there is always plenty of HxH, TWGOK, Beelzebub, Nurarihyon no Magi, and occasionally Silver Spoon talk when those chapters are released, but I won't deny that the big 3 dominate. Especially during any down time.
You see? Those, and others frequently mentioned like Fairy Tail, are all shonens, as I said above.

My main problem with yoai is the frequent portrayal of what amounts to rape as a relationship starter, but the submissive one later realizes that it was twu wuv cause he totally wanted it and that "no" really did mean "yes."

I understand that "boys love" of the type in Natsume S3/4 is...milder, but that sure has put me off the entire genre of yoai for obvious reasons. Yuri has it's own weird homosexuals = rapists thing going on too, typically where the lesbian with the unrequited crush is psychotic. God, anime cliches are so awful.
I entirely agree on all points with this one, for sure. Those are definitely some very bad themes, and it is messed up how common they are. Like, even Yuru Yuri had that "dead eyes" part...

KyoAni is a better studio than P.A. Works and has better directors than Seiji Kishi.
I don't know the names of anyone who works there offhand... I assume he's the Angel Beats director though. Which else of their works had he done?

What I watched of Gintama was mostly funny (not the greatest, but amusing), but I've only watched a relatively few episodes in the series, and haven't seen much of the more serious stuff.

It does not and cannot work, ever.
It usually doesn't work, but certainly can sometimes, and Angel Beats is one of the most successful examples of it I've seen.

No lol. Angel Beats has really horrible composition, among horrible other things. It's really ugly.
That's just not true, not in my opinion.

Can you give examples OTHER than that same one screenshot that always gets posted?

Gintama does use tone flipping for comedic effect at times, but there's also actual tone flipping in some stories. The problem with something like Angel Beats is that the "comedy" happening in more serious situations is generally just unrelated gags, forced upon the viewer for whatever reason with exaggerated effects and such.

When Gintama does have a bit of comedy in the middle of a serious episode, it's generally just from the seemingly absurd nature of some event going on, rather than a random visual gag forced upon the viewer.
But the thing with Angel Beats is, the setting provides a good explanation for why both comedy and humor are present at the same time. I did agree that the series doesn't have the best comedy ever, but it's amusing sometimes, and I definitely do think that the tone-flips work.

No it definitely does it within the episode and not just for comedic effect (though that is often why it's done).

Watch episode 188. It's a standalone episode that requires no knowledge of the series, but it does tone flipping extremely well and is one of the best written episodes of any anime ever IMO.

I haven't seen that episode, but to be consistent I'd imagine he'd have to dislike it, if tone flipping really is never good ever...
 

Noirulus

Member
The Japanese Internet service provider BIGLOBE posted the results of a February survey about which anime series fans consider the most overrated; this is the top 10:

1. Madoka Magica
2. AnoHana
3. K-ON!
4. Bakemonogatari/Nisemonogatari
5. OreImo
6. Infinite Stratos
7. Raildex
8. Fate/Zero
9. STEINS;GATE
10. Angel Beats

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-7688.html

CAN I BE ANN NOW

Is Oreimo really overrated, though? I've always thought it deserved the praise it got.
 

Jintor

Member
Persona 4 - Episode 14 (Con't)

The way this plot jigsaws together is amazing.

OH LOL
THE COUNCILMAN KIDNAPPER DELIVERYMAN!
 

Jintor

Member
I don't think I've ever liveposted an anime series reaction before. Thanks for being here, AnimeGAF.

Persona 4 really benefits I think from the fact that it is unabashedly a fan thing made to satisfy fans. The pacing would be hideous if it had to tell the plot in an actual coherent manner, but because it pretty much straight-up assumes you already know what's going on it can really focus on telling side-stories and jokes.
 
After the first half of episode two, you really could just skip to episode six and it would probably enhance the experience.
I know some of you crazy people here think this, but you are very much wrong.

The first episode of Space Pirates is my least favorite one so far. It doesn't give a very good indication of the kind of show it is, really. I think it could have been better for sure.

Serious question, how is Thermae Romae? Premise seems like it could be stupid fun.
Thermae Romae is great and not very stupid, really. Definitely watch it! It's one of the year's best shows so far.

You can't say that there aren't a wealth of reasons to have a cynical attitude toward Japanese otaku considering what series succeed. Everything has its haters, but it's still somewhat surprising to see some of the most-loved series of the past few years on this list, even in a completely unscientific poll.



I wasn't implying that any of the people calling these series overrated are hipsters, just that they're simply out of the norm. With there being little middle ground between success and failure for anime in the current market, it does paint a picture of a slightly more monolithic fanbase in Japan than possibly elsewhere, regardless of how true that actually is.
Popularity among some breeds contempt among others.

That is, the more popular a show is, the more likely it is for it to have a vocal group of haters too, I would say... you see exactly that going on in that list. Many of those shows would show up on both "overrated/disliked" and "popular/liked" lists, I would say for sure. I mean, just look at the list, it's clear that what's going on is people saying "a lot of people liked that, but I thought it was bad."

The Japanese Internet service provider BIGLOBE posted the results of a February survey about which anime series fans consider the most overrated; this is the top 10:

1. Madoka Magica
2. AnoHana
3. K-ON!
4. Bakemonogatari/Nisemonogatari
5. OreImo
6. Infinite Stratos
7. Raildex
8. Fate/Zero
9. STEINS;GATE
10. Angel Beats

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-7688.html

CAN I BE ANN NOW
Continuing from the above, the only one that stands out for me on my above criteria is Steins;Gate. Was that really popular in Japan? If so I didn't know that. The rest though are exactly what I was talking about.

isnt Nichijou missing?
Considering how few people watched it, and how great it was, it was unquestionably really underrated in my opinion. Even people who disliked it, though, can't really call it overrated, given, well, how unsuccessful it was.

Because lists stir up controversy, which stirs up hits and discussions, which stirs up attention for the site and ad views. That's how Internet "journalism" works.
Bah, lists are fun. I wouldn't take them as an absolute measure of quality or something, but I have nothing against lists (except to say how hard it often is for me to rank things without making lists that are far too long... :lol This is part of why I sometimes don't even try to make lists, narrowing it down is hard.). :)
 

Narag

Member
G Gundam 6

Messing with Domon like that is just fucking cold. Also Master Asia sighting!!
The shining Finger music really is something awesome too. Perfect cue to know something is about to go down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny24zPeQLks


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Blood-C 5

That was a silly ending to the episode.

Blood-C 6

:lol

Armor Hunter Mellowlink 6

Interesting strategy by the prison's commander to make the prisoners hate Mellowlink to save his own skin. The prisoners gave him a code red for his troubles and the fork to the foot scene made me wince. Ep was pushing it as far as story goes but the ending action sequene was fabulous.

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Jintor

Member
Persona 4 - Episode 15

Persona 3 tiemz!

omg adorable girlz room tiemz

omg awkward boys room tiemz

Holy shit, Yu already turning his swag on.
 

iavi

Member
Continuing from the above, the only one that stands out for me on my above criteria is Steins;Gate. Was that really popular in Japan? If so I didn't know that. The rest though are exactly what I was talking about.

Check the latest sales chart. It's not moving pedo numbers, but it's definitely moving a good amount.
 

Soma

Member
Blood-C 5

That was a silly ending to the episode.

Blood-C 6

:lol

Oh man, now I know how the rest of you guys feel when someone else watches this for the first time.

Also, props for the G-Gundam. My favorite Gundam series next to 08th MS Team.
 
Amazon isn't making me feel good about purchasing Birdy The Mighty Decode. More items to consider includes: Highschool of the Dead, Strike Witches, Sacred Blacksmith and Samurai Girls. It's enough to make me reconsider my order!
Though they're not exactly the same, I can see why Birdy would be compared to those other shows, on fanservice grounds most notably.

Hey, two of those recommendations are good! :)
Samurai Girls and Strike Witches? :)

The Sacred Blacksmith isn't nearly as bad as the other three in the realm of the service departments. However, the manga has a super dark turn in it that isn't in the show at all.
The Sacred Blacksmith starts out awful, but improves to merely mediocre over time. Even later on though Luke is constantly having to rescue Cecily, unfortunately.

Bodacious Space Stowaways 08:

I may have said this before and if so I apologize, but despite not being classified as a comedy when BSP does go for laughs it gives me a very Slayers vibe. Not because the jokes are even remotely similar, but like Slayers the jokes are not about clever punchlines, but the absurdity of a situation. In just this episode we have:
Marika having trouble convincing someone in her crew to escort the Princess to the bridge while she watches this unfold in amusement, said Princess later introducing herself as a transfer student with no hint of shyness or attempt to hide her identity, the reactions of Marika and the Princess to Misa's driving, etc.
The major difference is that the reactions are far less pronounced between shows because BSP isn't trying to be a comedy. At least, I think it isn't. :/ Throw in a few facevaults and Dragon Slaves and this would be the real successor to Slayers that Lost Universe wishes it were.

That's not to mention how in the early episodes we had just the idea of Marika, an inexperienced commoner who works as a maid in a cafe, being thrown into the Captain's chair of a legal space pirate ship simply by virtue of being the former Captain's daughter, a shootout in a cafe with Chiaki fighting them off and dragging Marika away all while finishing off her Parfait, the bureaucracy scene when Marika chooses to take over the ship, the scenes with her changing into her pirate gear and making her way awkwardly dodging random boxes etc. just to get to the bridge, the soothsayer like character on the bridge who keeps saying "I can see it," but doesn't offer what she's seeing like, ever, etc. Just the very bizarre situations set up for humorous purposes, but no punchline. All it's missing is the facevaults. And the Dragon Slaves. ^^;
Slayers is probably one of my favorite anime franchises, but I don't know how much Space Pirates reminds me of it at all... they have pretty different tones. Both do have some serious and some comical elements, but the styles of both comedy and drama are pretty different. I know that the different genres are part of that, but still, Space Pirates does try to have a legitimate harder scifi element to it, so far most notably seen in the 2-5 arc. I don't know if the serious parts of Slayers are much like that at all. Genre differences are part of that, of course, but still, it's different.

On that note, you mention it as a comedy, but Slayers is a drama too. Every season turns to a serious storyline at some point, and they are usually interesting. I think Slayers does a pretty good job at drama as well as comedy. One thing the series never takes seriously, though is how Lina obviously has absolutely no regard for human life, with how often she accidentally blows up parts of cities, and the anime almost never calls her on it at all either (excepting that part of Revolution where she gets arrested, which was pretty funny
, particularly when that particular charge actually turned out to be false... heh. There were plenty more she's guilty of though!

The stuff you mention in the second paragraph is all funny stuff (in Space Pirates), yeah. That soothsayer... will she ever actually do anything of value? :lol

Smile Precure 4

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Sailor Jupiter!

And yep, I think I like the derpiness of the main heroine. She's too much like Usagi for me not to like her ditziness/stupidity. I might actually be all in for this show.
Smile Precure 04:

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CURE MARCH AWWWWWWW YEAHHHHHHHHHHH.

Peace is still the HNNNNNNNGest, but March is the total package and is easily best Cure. Badass? Check. Oneesama? Check. Tall, green, and kinda masculine like Sailor Jupiter? Check. Has an especially awesome power? Check. Wears military fatigues and short shorts as casual wear? That's one big Check.

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Just look at that expression. "FUCK YEAH, I'M A PRECURE."

I love this show.

Green is my favorite color so these pictures almost make me want to watch this, but I don't know if I actually will... nice screenshots though, so green! :)
 

Jintor

Member
Persona 4 - Episode 15 (Con't)

Holy fuck yu

Holy fuck

holy shit this is amazing

LOL THE MUSIC

KING OF SWAG

not alcohol my foot. Fuckin' Wright & Co Grape Juice company all up in this shit.
 
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