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[theCHENRY]

Well done, an excelent purchase.I have the 23 myself, but now the next important thing is what holster to go for?I have just ordered this

[shoulder holester rig]

What you think?

The biggest problem with shoulder holster is they "print" badly. It's hard to wear them properly under a coat or vest or whathaveyou and NOT have it become obvious you're CCW'ing.

The idea of CCW is to... y'know, conceal it? So to me, shoulder holsters are wildly impractical. They don't work in nearly as many situations as a belt holster. Is it hot outside? Doesn't work. Are you going to be indoors somewhere a lot? Unless you wear a blazer, doesn't work.

Another issue I have with them compared to a regular holster is this: with a belt holster, where's the gun pointing? Unless you're on your back, it's pointing at the floor. With a shoulder holster, where's the gun pointing? At whoever is standing behind you. That's just rude.

 

[Dead Man]

Yeah, I've been buying online since I started buying guns due to the savings I could make and the benefit of not dealing with lazy gun shop owners.

On a side note, Here is a picture of the SAR 48 (full auto FAL) I picked up! (It was worked on by Frontline armory by the previous owner, he had it turned to a IZZY HB. I still haven't decided if I am going to send it off and have it made into a para)

Now I just need to wait 6 or so months till I get it, FML......

Nah man, leave that as it is, plenty of paras out there. That is sexy as fuck.

Although.. so is this:

 

[HKguy]

Nah man, leave that as it is, plenty of paras out there. That is sexy as fuck.

Although.. so is this:

Yeah, but I don't want to be the asshole who only shoots full auto from prone or benched. At 17.5 lbs (with an empty mag, and 7.62 isn't light) and a 24" barrel, it might be to much for me. I don't know, if I'll keep it as is, but either configuration I don't feel I can go wrong on.

 

[Dead Man]

Yeah, but I don't want to be the asshole who only shoots full auto from prone or benched. At 17.5 lbs (with an empty mag, and 7.62 isn't light) and a 24" barrel, it might be to much for me. I don't know, if I'll keep it as is, but either configuration I don't feel I can go wrong on.

Why would that make you an arsehole? That is how the damn thing was designed, bipod and all. If you have some .22 machine gun or something that's different, but not too many trooper would have been rock and rolling on that thing while advancing.

 

[HKguy]

Why would that make you an arsehole? That is how the damn thing was designed, bipod and all. If you have some .22 machine gun or something that's different, but not too many trooper would have been rock and rolling on that thing while advancing.

I guess, the main problem with this as a concept though is the fal's relatively pathetic mag size of usually 20, but extended 30 South african mags are available (own 5) and it's lack of a quick change barrel (so you can dump 4-500 before the barrel become shit accuracy wise). Truth be told I love the idea of a heavy MG (hell thought about buying an m60, but at 30K It was beyond my price range) but I don't know If the FAL meets that.

I thought about cutting it to 13", but at that point I am trying to make an m4 with the negative side effects of a short barrel 7.62x51 (it sounds and feels like a grenade going off next to the shooter).

 

[Dead Man]

I guess, the main problem with this as a concept though is the fal's relatively pathetic mag size of usually 20, but extended 30 South african mags are available (own 5) and it's lack of a quick change barrel (so you can dump 4-500 before the barrel become shit accuracy wise). Truth be told I love the idea of a heavy MG (hell thought about buying an m60, but at 30K It was beyond my price range) but I don't know If the FAL meets that.

I thought about cutting it to 13", but at that point I am trying to make an m4 with the negative side effects of a short barrel 7.62x51 (it sounds and feels like a grenade going off next to the shooter).

Yeah, but you shouldn't feel responsible for flaws in the original design concept. That has always been the problem with .308 automatic rifles. Not enough capacity for barrel changing to be machine guns, to heavy to be used as an assault rifle. Just fire the damn thing how you want, and if people have a problem with that, tell them to go buy their own.

 

[HKguy]

Yeah, but you shouldn't feel responsible for flaws in the original design concept. That has always been the problem with .308 automatic rifles. Not enough capacity for barrel changing to be machine guns, to heavy to be used as an assault rifle. Just fire the damn thing how you want, and if people have a problem with that, tell them to go buy their own.

I like where your head is at! What are your thoughts on optics for a FA? I thought about a red dot sight, but I feel like I want to use the 7.62 to it's potential possible out to 600 meters. I would be down with Iron sights, but my fucked up vision wont let me. Would magnification be feasible in full auto? I've wrestled with this for about a month now, input might help.

 

[Dead Man]

I like where your head is at! What are your thoughts on optics for a FA? I thought about a red dot sight, but I feel like I want to use the 7.62 to it's potential possible out to 600 meters. I would be down with Iron sights, but my fucked up vision wont let me. Would magnification be feasible in full auto? I've wrestled with this for about a month now, input might help.

I think something like a machinegun optic is a great idea for a FA rifle. They military is using them for a reason. Just because you are able to rock and roll doesn't mean you don't want to be as accurate as possible for some single shots, or be able to id targets at longer ranges.

The Elcan and Trijicon optics are both pretty useful things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C79_optical_sight#M145_Machine_Gun_Optic

http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product2.php?id=ACOG&mid=6 x 48

M60 with an ACOG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZo4dZUUWtc

 

[HKguy]

I think something like a machinegun optic is a great idea for a FA rifle. They military is using them for a reason. Just because you are able to rock and roll doesn't mean you don't want to be as accurate as possible for some single shots, or be able to id targets at longer ranges.

The Elcan and Trijicon optics are both pretty useful things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C79_optical_sight#M145_Machine_Gun_Optic

http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product2.php?id=ACOG&mid=6 x 48

M60 with an ACOG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZo4dZUUWtc

Nice!

I was thinking about a Elcan SpecterDR, but the M145 sight has my interest piqued. Thanks for the suggestions.

Now I just need to figure out when I can buy my suppressor for the mark23......

 

[Dead Man]

Nice!

I was thinking about a Elcan SpecterDR, but the M145 sight has my interest piqued. Thanks for the suggestions.

Now I just need to figure out when I can buy my suppressor for the mark23......

Now worries man, just post up some pics when you get it sorted!

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Now worries man, just post up some pics when you get it sorted!

Might be a while. I wonder why he got banned.

 

[Dead Man]

Might be a while. I wonder why he got banned.

Trans thread. Was not acting clever or politely, Shame, seemed okay.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Trans thread. Was not acting clever or politely, Shame, seemed okay.

Oh man I never go near those thread, not that I think I'd say anything wrong, but man those threads can be gaming side type massacres.

 

[Dead Man]

Oh man I never go near those thread, not that I think I'd say anything wrong, but man those threads can be gaming side type massacres.

Yeah. they can be tricky. Oh well at least we got a bit of gun porn out him before he fell

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Yeah. they can be tricky. Oh well at least we got a bit of gun porn out him before he fell

Yeah and FA too, that's pretty rare to see!

 

[childplease]

Might be a while. I wonder why he got banned.

:/ everything he said was pretty tame and respectful. It's a shame he got banned .

 

[hwalker84]

Went to the range today.

Shot the Glock 17, 34, and Springfield XDM 4.5

I'm going with the XDM.

 

[ChanHuk]

Went to the range today.

Shot the Glock 17, 34, and Springfield XDM 4.5

I'm going with the XDM.

Good choice on the XDm, wish I could get one here in California. Unless you're willing to sell me one secondhand Fuck you California

EDIT: Did you shoot the Gen 3 or Gen 4 Glock 17?

 

[hwalker84]

Good choice on the XDm, wish I could get one here in California. Unless you're willing to sell me one secondhand Fuck you California

EDIT: Did you shoot the Gen 3 or Gen 4 Glock 17?

It was a Gen 3 Glock 17 and Gen 4 Glock 34. They didn't have any Gen 4's to rent. The 34 was a friends.

My store gets my XDM in Thursday!!! I can't wait.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Yes, got my C&R FFL in today. I can now receive C&R handguns, rifles, and even machine guns in interstate (ie just mail me that Makarov) commercial without the need for a transfer (course with machine guns and other NFA weapons you still need to get the stamp tax) and directly from dealers and wholesalers (like Century Arms) I also get a ton of discounts at Brownells and Midway USA and other places!

 

[MisterNoisy]

Yes, got my C&R FFL in today. I can now receive C&R handguns, rifles, and even machine guns in interstate (ie just mail me that Makarov) commercial without the need for a transfer (course with machine guns and other NFA weapons you still need to get the stamp tax) and directly from dealers and wholesalers (like Century Arms) I also get a ton of discounts at Brownells and Midway USA and other places!

How involved was the process and how much did it cost? I'd love to be able to order a CZ-82/Mak/Tok/Mosin-Nagant or other such 'oldies but goodies' online.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

How involved was the process and how much did it cost? I'd love to be able to order a CZ-82/Mak/Tok/Mosin-Nagant or other such 'oldies but goodies' online.

Fill out two forms (plus cert for the ATF), sent one to the ATF and one to my CLEO. It cost 30 bucks and some stamps. That is it, assuming you don't live in a goofy state (CA or NY).

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curios-relics.html

 

[ChanHuk]

Got a chance to shoot a Beretta 92FS and SPAS-12 today. Dat SPAS......

 

[Zyzyxxz]

So after picking up my mosin went online, printed out a guide on how to disassemble and damn it is easy to take apart, much easier than the electric airsoft ones I use to play with.

But man, DAT COSMOLINE though. Just gotta go through all the nooks and crannies with a toothbrush.

 

[ChanHuk]

So after picking up my mosin went online, printed out a guide on how to disassemble and damn it is easy to take apart, much easier than the electric airsoft ones I use to play with.

But man, DAT COSMOLINE though. Just gotta go through all the nooks and crannies with a toothbrush.

Dat brake cleaner is your friend.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

So after picking up my mosin went online, printed out a guide on how to disassemble and damn it is easy to take apart, much easier than the electric airsoft ones I use to play with.

But man, DAT COSMOLINE though. Just gotta go through all the nooks and crannies with a toothbrush.

A guy at a gunshop got in a Madei(sp) (Egyptian) AK and took a spell of it and said, "Ah smells like Communism" lol

 

[Funky Papa]

This is now a thing.

Seriously

http://youtu.be/BM-DGaNmtA0

 

[ABACA]

I think something like a machinegun optic is a great idea for a FA rifle. They military is using them for a reason. Just because you are able to rock and roll doesn't mean you don't want to be as accurate as possible for some single shots, or be able to id targets at longer ranges.

The Elcan and Trijicon optics are both pretty useful things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C79_optical_sight#M145_Machine_Gun_Optic

http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product2.php?id=ACOG&mid=6 x 48

M60 with an ACOG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZo4dZUUWtc

That's not an ACOG. That's an M145 Machine Gun Optic, in US Army parlance.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Was at a gun store over the weekend. Owner noticed I lived in the city, and hearing some of thw customers bitch about Chicago gun laws, I'm pretty sure those are the guys I don't want ownimg guns in the city.

 

[Zyzyxxz]

Was at a gun store over the weekend. Owner noticed I lived in the city, and hearing some of thw customers bitch about Chicago gun laws, I'm pretty sure those are the guys I don't want ownimg guns in the city.

I bitch about CA gun laws but I am ultra liberal, vote Democract, pro-Gay marriage, pro-choice, atheist, and educated with a bachelors degree.

Then again Chicago does have it's fair share of crazies.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

I bitch about CA gun laws but I am ultra liberal, vote Democract, pro-Gay marriage, pro-choice, atheist, and educated with a bachelors degree.

Then again Chicago does have it's fair share of crazies.

the comment in specific was, "if I lived in the city, i'd always answer the door with a gun. You never when one of them will try and break in and kill yout family."

I was pretty "Wat." At that point.

 

[Dead Man]

That's not an ACOG. That's an M145 Machine Gun Optic, in US Army parlance.

Yes, as evidenced by the wiki link to the Elcan. The ACOG is on the M60 in the video link. The weapon in the photo is a M240.

 

[hwalker84]

This is now a thing.

Seriously

http://youtu.be/BM-DGaNmtA0

Yo Dawg I heard you Like Guns so I put a Gun in your Gun......

 

[theCHENRY]

This is now a thing.

[unholy abomination of John Moses Browning's masterpiece]

Seriously

http://youtu.be/BM-DGaNmtA0

I'm confused how this could even be legal. Does it have two, independent triggers? Or does pulling the trigger cause both barrels to fire? Because I'm pretty sure under US law if you fire 2+ shots per trigger pull, that's a machine gun.

 

[Jim E. Rossler]

I'm confused how this could even be legal. Does it have two, independent triggers? Or does pulling the trigger cause both barrels to fire? Because I'm pretty sure under US law if you fire 2+ shots per trigger pull, that's a machine gun.

ITs the same as holding two 1911's in one hand and pulling both triggers at the same time
Instead they welded the triggers together so you can do it easily, they are still semi auto 1911's that fire one round each with a trigger pull, you just have two in your hand

 

[theCHENRY]

ITs the same as holding two 1911's in one hand and pulling both triggers at the same time
Instead they welded the triggers together so you can do it easily, they are still semi auto 1911's that fire one round each with a trigger pull, you just have two in your hand

Semi-auto doesn't matter according to the way the law's written. If pulling the trigger once results in more than one shot, it's called a machine gun. A slam-firing semi-auto rifle would be called a machine gun. A hammered double-barrel shotgun would be classed as a machine gun if both barrels went off with a single trigger pull.

I can see how this might be considered a machine gun if someone were getting a bit loose with the law. If the triggers are welded together, am I pulling one or both?

It's kind of a stupidly written law. But it's also a stupid product. If anyone needs their tools sharpened, they should just dig up John Browning because he must be spinning like a lathe right now.

 

[dionysus]

With my 2011 bonus I just got this, a Savage Arms Model 11 in 308 with a buckmaster scope.

Adds to my existing collection:
Springfield Arms XD-9
Benelli Nova 12 gauge
Sig Sauer .22LR semi-auto, think it is called a 522

Future guns:
S&W 38sp for concealed carry or similar, maybe a ruger
Some type of .22LR pistol for plinking
AR style 308 or similar
Over under shotgun, love the way they feel with the extra weight

 

[Arcteryx]

Semi-auto doesn't matter according to the way the law's written. If pulling the trigger once results in more than one shot, it's called a machine gun. A slam-firing semi-auto rifle would be called a machine gun. A hammered double-barrel shotgun would be classed as a machine gun if both barrels went off with a single trigger pull.

I can see how this might be considered a machine gun if someone were getting a bit loose with the law. If the triggers are welded together, am I pulling one or both?

It's kind of a stupidly written law. But it's also a stupid product. If anyone needs their tools sharpened, they should just dig up John Browning because he must be spinning like a lathe right now.

The article attached with the pic says they are independent triggers in the US (due to it otherwise being a "machinegun" if it was 1 pull = 2 bullets), but also available in a "welded" version (obviously you'd have to register it as a "machinegun" then).

The AF2011-A1 ("Twenty Eleven" for aficionados) can be ordered either with 2 independent triggers and one sear group (left or right, with user-interchangeability for right or left operations) or with 2 triggers permanently joined and the choice of 1 or 2 sear groups. The AF2011-A1 is available in mirror finish Deep Blue or with a 3400 Vickers surface hardness White Ash Nitrite coating.

The model with two triggers would be legal in the United States but the model with one trigger would be considered a machine gun (two rounds fired in one trigger pull).

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Future guns:
S&W 38sp for concealed carry or similar, maybe a ruger
Some type of .22LR pistol for plinking
AR style 308 or similar
Over under shotgun, love the way they feel with the extra weight

For CCW, look at a Keltec or a Glock 26. I know some folks don't like Glocks, but those Keltecs are so slim.

 

[Jim E. Rossler]

For CCW, look at a Keltec or a Glock 26. I know some folks don't like Glocks, but those Keltecs are so slim.

Might want to try a glock 19 as well
Same thickness, higher capacity, a bit longer barrel and handgrip, but when you CC you wish your gun was thinner, not that the barrel was .3in shorter

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Finally got my C&R login at Century Arms and started looking at prices...people go get a C&R.

 

[Zyzyxxz]

Finally got my C&R login at Century Arms and started looking at prices...people go get a C&R.

explain please? I'm still new at buying guns but curious now.

 

[Old Gimlet Eyes]

explain please? I'm still new at buying guns but curious now.

C&R stands for Curio and Relic

To be recognized by ATF as a C&R firearm, a firearm must fall into at least one of the following three categories:
Firearms manufactured more than 50 years prior to the current date, not including replicas
Firearms certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum that exhibits firearms as curios or relics of museum interest
Any other firearms that derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category requires evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collector's items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less.

One advantage of having a C&R license is that you can buy Garands from CMP and get them delivered to you through the mail. Hopefully that is what Manos is planning on doing....

 

[Zyzyxxz]

Wait so you don't need to go through the process of joining a CMP club to get those M1 Garands?

 

[ChanHuk]

Wait so you don't need to go through the process of joining a CMP club to get those M1 Garands?

No, you need to be apart of a club to purchase from CMP. C&R satisfies some of the requirements, but you still need to be apart of a club, it's kinda you know....the basis of CMP.

The service grade Garands that CMP is offering right now are a steal at $650.

EDIT: If you really want a Garand, its a lot easier to get one than you think through CMP:

18+ US Citizen (birth certificate/passport)
Join a club (CRPA, free 3 month trial membership)
Get your local range to sign off on your marksmanship requirement or a LEO can do this as well
And last but not least, can you legally own a firearm?

Really its that simple to buy a from CMP, $650 shipped to your door for a service grade M1 Garand.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

C&R stands for Curio and Relic



One advantage of having a C&R license is that you can buy Garands from CMP and get them delivered to you through the mail. Hopefully that is what Manos is planning on doing....

It's funny I was initially thinking of C&R handguns (Mak and Tok), but I totally forgot about an M1. My problem is I have a Mini-14 and it really makes me feel like, do I need an M1 (cause I would sell the Mini-14 for the M1)? There feels like a weird area of overlap even though it's supposed to be more of a M-14 inspiration. That said for the price they are and the clang noise after five shots, perhaps I should get one.

No, you need to be apart of a club to purchase from CMP. C&R satisfies some of the requirements, but you still need to be apart of a club, it's kinda you know....the basis of CMP.

Last time I checked I thought C&R was enough, but perhaps that's in combo with me being an NRA member. That said if I had to do the other thing I'd be fine.

 

[Zyzyxxz]

Really its that simple to buy a from CMP, $650 shipped to your door for a service grade M1 Garand.

But I live in Republique of Kalifornia. I don't think I can have guns shipped to my door...

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

But I live in Republique of Kalifornia. I don't think I can have guns shipped to my door...

Handguns, lord no, and then you need to make sure it's on the CA approved list. Truthfully check out Calguns as they know the most on the subject.

 

[ChanHuk]

But I live in Republique of Kalifornia. I don't think I can have guns shipped to my door...

You and me both my friend but yeah they'll ship it to your door if you purchase it through CMP, legally. It's treated as a C&R purchase basically so it works around Komifornia laws. Just follow those steps I listed or visit Calguns. It seems like most people are getting the HRA M1s since they're newer builds. You can get a Springfield M1 and make a blind attempt at getting a WW2 rifle. Just remember that they are older and aren't to the same quality as HRA (Newer manufacturing process). But having a WW2 M1 would be awesome if there was some way of being guaranteed one.

Having a C&R license satisfies the firearm/marksmanship related activity requirement of CMP, you still have to be apart of a club which I'm sure the NRA is apart of.

 

[hwalker84]

Went to the range Wednesday with my pops. Put 100 rounds through my new XDm 9mm. God I love it.