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Got yelled at a couple nights ago for not gushing Venomancer's wards down. I thought that was amusing.

Getting yelled at is fine.

It was the perpetual avalanche of shit-talking and from what I can only assume is "game-mechanics" talk.

The shit-talking I understood but the venomous spew of game mechanics and request to smash my computer, or fuck my computer, or fuck my smashed computer or a thousand other permutations of what I can do with myself or my computer.

These fucking people...it'll be interesting to see how Valve handles it because as it currently is, it's a fucking mess.

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Play with people you know and you're much less likely to get yelled at. Unless the people you know like to yell at you, in which case you're probably looking at the same situation either way.

Here are the facts:
-You are certainly not good at this game yet
-You're probably not even remotely competent at it
-If you lose right now, it's likely to be at least partially your fault
-People don't like to lose
-People don't ever think it's THEIR fault that the game is lost
-When a game is lost, it must be SOMEBODY's fault
-They will blame you
-Vitriol is one of the three resources to manage in this game (along with gold and xp)

It'll get better, but not until you do.

I get it. I do.

You might be just joking with your image you posted, but it's not funny. I'm not hurt over the abuse. I'm completely fucking amazed how these people act. I'm not new to gaming. I'm not even new to online gaming. I've been told to eat a dick by the finest of thirteen year old boys while playing Gears of War.

What goes on in DOTA 2 is a significant orders of magnitude worse.

I'm fine with blame. I'm fine with shouldering the need to get better. I was looking forward to that.

But there is quite literally ZERO opportunity given to learn the game without receiving a level of verbal abuse that I have never experienced before.

I get it. Play against the bots. Why?

Because a bunch of ignorant fucks that play too much of one game say so?

It's like the inmates are running the prison and making up bullshit rules as they go along. Maybe if I was sixteen again, I'd be able to understand this better... I'm not the guy that cries about internet bullying or any nonsense like that. I just have no fucking idea how this can be a smart, profitable and sustainable business model for Valve when their online community is as fucked as this one.

Nothing compares to the DOTA 2 community and it doesn't matter how interesting or good the game is when it has the issues it currently does.
 
I want to post the same image again, but I think it would be kinda redundant. I'm sorry you don't like the community, but I find it hilarious and I thrive on it. It's like playing a video game with muhammad ali with tourette's.

There is an opportunity to learn still, but you need to be prepared to prostrate yourself and you need to have skin as thick as the walls of a 13th century castle. Tell your team you're new from the get go, play a support hero, do your best not to feed, ask what to skill up, what to build, where to go, what to do. Some players (maybe one in five) will notice you are making a good faith effort to NOT to be awful, so they will temper the fire that burns inside of any experienced dota player.
 
You should really play with bots first though.. and read some guides, watch some videos. It's a hard game and there is a big focus on win/loss ratio and winning in general. If 1 player on your team sucks, 90% of the time you lost already. And you will be stuck with that bad player for 30 mins to maybe even an hour or longer.
 
Getting yelled at is fine.

It was the perpetual avalanche of shit-talking and from what I can only assume is "game-mechanics" talk.

The shit-talking I understood but the venomous spew of game mechanics and request to smash my computer, or fuck my computer, or fuck my smashed computer or a thousand other permutations of what I can do with myself or my computer.

These fucking people...it'll be interesting to see how Valve handles it because as it currently is, it's a fucking mess.



I get it. I do.

You might be just joking with your image you posted, but it's not funny. I'm not hurt over the abuse. I'm completely fucking amazed how these people act. I'm not new to gaming. I'm not even new to online gaming. I've been told to eat a dick by the finest of thirteen year old boys while playing Gears of War.

What goes on in DOTA 2 is a significant orders of magnitude worse.

I'm fine with blame. I'm fine with shouldering the need to get better. I was looking forward to that.

But there is quite literally ZERO opportunity given to learn the game without receiving a level of verbal abuse that I have never experienced before.

I get it. Play against the bots. Why?

Because a bunch of ignorant fucks that play too much of one game say so?

It's like the inmates are running the prison and making up bullshit rules as they go along. Maybe if I was sixteen again, I'd be able to understand this better... I'm not the guy that cries about internet bullying or any nonsense like that. I just have no fucking idea how this can be a smart, profitable and sustainable business model for Valve when their online community is as fucked as this one.

Nothing compares to the DOTA 2 community and it doesn't matter how interesting or good the game is when it has the issues it currently does.
the "community" is most certainly one of the worst I've ever seen. I've never seen a game community in which country of origin can actually be a bad word. "You MUST BE RUSSIAN!" lol.

As a new player, I'd strongly recommend you start with range characters that have an escape mechanism. That way even if you're not helping much on offense, you're at least not giving the other team free gold and xp via 15-20 deaths and making everything harder for your teammates. There are only 3 types of bad teammates I've found, in order:

1.) Feeding teammates - those who get killed a lot, then get far behind in xp/items and as such can never really get back into a competitive position and become targets the remainder of the game. Everyone is that guy every once in awhile, but it should be rare.

2.) KS'ing teammmates - though not as obvious a problem on the surface, it is a big problem. When kills are stolen from carries (say, by a support character trying to be too helpful), it delays the carry (the most important characters over the long-run of a game) from getting the items and xp advantage they need to carry the team to victory. If a character is close to dying and multiple friendlies are attacking, it's almost always better to let the carry get it than the support. The exception being perhaps to help that teammate that got behind by early feeding.

3.) Teammates that aren't alert or helpful. Farming non-stop and not coming to help in team fights...or running away with good health and full mana. they may not be feeding the other team, but they're also doing little or nothing to help in team fights...a critical aspect of the game. If you're farming, you have to keep an eye on the mini map. If you see those little X's gathering together, a tower push (and subsequently, a team fight) is about to happen very soon. Stop farming and bring your ass...and figure out the best way to use as many of your abilities as you can during the fight.

A huge aspect of this game is not just learning the characters you like, but also understanding the abilities of other characters...what they want to do...and what their items do to change the dynamics of a team fight. It's like learning all the move sets and combos in Street Fighter. That will require a lot of time and experience...and that can only really be had in live games vs. real players. Learning other characters will help you understand who to target with your skills, when and where to engage.

As a fellow new player, I can say I haven't gotten yelled at too many times, but it will come. Everyone will have the occasional bad game...especially in pub play where nobody knows each other or their tendencies. Hell, half the time your teammates won't do the basic things or even speak English. No coordination and communication = problems. Just my brief thoughts. But don't be discouraged...some of us are playing to have fun and are happy to provide advice. Just be sure to make mention that you're new early so that your teammates can be prepared to help you along the way and advise.

You should really play with bots first though.. and read some guides, watch some videos. It's a hard game and there is a big focus on win/loss ratio and winning in general. If 1 player on your team sucks, 90% of the time you lost already. And you will be stuck with that bad player for 30 mins to maybe even an hour or longer.

+1 on watching tutorial videos.

-1 on playing with bots. Other than getting comfortable with certain basics (last-hitting, skill order deployment), you'll get nothing but bad habits by playing with bots.
 
On a side note, I think there's a lot of potential for cleaning up the community through the commend/report system as long as people use it (I find myself checking it every once in awhile). It all depends on how they plan on rewarding people with high commend scores though and how to properly prevent it from being exploited.
 
Dota community will always be shitty. Get tougher skin and deal with it, or just mute everyone who calls you a "doo-doo dumby head feeder."
Just troll them back, it's especially easy when your new because the purposeful feeding that would be trolling just comes natural when your still figuring things out.
 
Dota community will always be shitty. Get tougher skin and deal with it, or just mute everyone who calls you a "doo-doo dumby head feeder."
 
Gonna just chime in with the extra: This community IS fucking terrible.

But it's hilarious. When that happens, I start rushing my guy in and feeding the other team. Fuck a bunch of cry babies if this means that much to them
 
Gonna just chime in with the extra: This community IS fucking terrible.

But it's hilarious. When that happens, I start rushing my guy in and feeding the other team. Fuck a bunch of cry babies if this means that much to them

You can get banned for doing if enough people report you...
 
If there was some manner of plague that somehow instantly killed all of the people playing DOTA 2 right now; yes...a few good people would die, but in the end, the sheer volume of assholes that were taken out with that small handful of good people would make that loss incredibly acceptable.

Take it easy.

I get it. Play against the bots. Why?

Because a bunch of ignorant fucks that play too much of one game say so?

People are "ignorant fucks" because they advice you to practice with bots? Wow.

Dota is a game that very much relies on every single players performace. If you have no clue at all how to play the game chances are you will ruin any chances your team had of winning the game.

I think you should try to be a bit more humble yourself.
 
Getting yelled at is fine.

It was the perpetual avalanche of shit-talking and from what I can only assume is "game-mechanics" talk.

The shit-talking I understood but the venomous spew of game mechanics and request to smash my computer, or fuck my computer, or fuck my smashed computer or a thousand other permutations of what I can do with myself or my computer.

These fucking people...it'll be interesting to see how Valve handles it because as it currently is, it's a fucking mess.

I get it. I do.

You might be just joking with your image you posted, but it's not funny. I'm not hurt over the abuse. I'm completely fucking amazed how these people act. I'm not new to gaming. I'm not even new to online gaming. I've been told to eat a dick by the finest of thirteen year old boys while playing Gears of War.

What goes on in DOTA 2 is a significant orders of magnitude worse.

I'm fine with blame. I'm fine with shouldering the need to get better. I was looking forward to that.

But there is quite literally ZERO opportunity given to learn the game without receiving a level of verbal abuse that I have never experienced before.

I get it. Play against the bots. Why?

Because a bunch of ignorant fucks that play too much of one game say so?

It's like the inmates are running the prison and making up bullshit rules as they go along. Maybe if I was sixteen again, I'd be able to understand this better... I'm not the guy that cries about internet bullying or any nonsense like that. I just have no fucking idea how this can be a smart, profitable and sustainable business model for Valve when their online community is as fucked as this one.

Nothing compares to the DOTA 2 community and it doesn't matter how interesting or good the game is when it has the issues it currently does.

I think I've played close to 300 games - was as new as freshly driven snow when I started - but I didn't really encounter a lot of assholes or angsty teens.

Playing with bots will at least help you start to understand the flow of the game, when it is and isn't safe to go places.

Play Lich, buy Wards (even if you don't know where to place them, buy them and put them on the courier and tell your team you are new and that wards are on the courier for them to place, or ask someone to ping where they want them, eventually you'll learn the ward spots and how those spots change as the match goes on), press ulti when you see 2 or more of your teammates fighting 2 or more of their team.

I get that you're frustrated, but your post is no more constructive than the way you feel like you've been treated.
 
But it's hilarious. When that happens, I start rushing my guy in and feeding the other team. Fuck a bunch of cry babies if this means that much to them

Yeahhh wasting everyone's time even more just because you're upset is definitely the wrong way to handle the situation.
 
Gonna just chime in with the extra: This community IS fucking terrible.

But it's hilarious. When that happens, I start rushing my guy in and feeding the other team. Fuck a bunch of cry babies if this means that much to them

The mature way to handle the situation.
 
Got into the beta last month and been playing so far against bots only, occasionally with a friend who also made it in. Been messing around with a bit of heroes and apparently I love torturing myself with complex characters like in fighting games because Invoker is my favorite. Learning his move set is quite a bit of fun, I plan on getting it down before I ever take it against people though if I ever do that. Really trying to break out of sticking to two spells in a fight. Watching some tournament videos that include Invoker has helped a bit for sure.

Fun game so far!
 
Gonna just chime in with the extra: This community IS fucking terrible.

But it's hilarious. When that happens, I start rushing my guy in and feeding the other team. Fuck a bunch of cry babies if this means that much to them

Congratulations! You're part of the problem! Stop doing shit like that just because you have an asshole on the team! Mute, report, and keep playing! Start being the nice and helpful guy on your team, guarantee you people will appreciate it.

For instance, my team had a Clockwerk who seemed to be new at Clockwerk, and he kept accidentally surrounding other teammates with the gears. I told him in a nice manner that since he's an initiator, he should be hooking in first one someone and surrounding them in the gears, then we all go in after him. That way we won't get caught in the gears. Guess what: We won that game too.
 
Getting yelled at is fine.

It was the perpetual avalanche of shit-talking and from what I can only assume is "game-mechanics" talk.

The shit-talking I understood but the venomous spew of game mechanics and request to smash my computer, or fuck my computer, or fuck my smashed computer or a thousand other permutations of what I can do with myself or my computer.

These fucking people...it'll be interesting to see how Valve handles it because as it currently is, it's a fucking mess.



I get it. I do.

You might be just joking with your image you posted, but it's not funny. I'm not hurt over the abuse. I'm completely fucking amazed how these people act. I'm not new to gaming. I'm not even new to online gaming. I've been told to eat a dick by the finest of thirteen year old boys while playing Gears of War.

What goes on in DOTA 2 is a significant orders of magnitude worse.

I'm fine with blame. I'm fine with shouldering the need to get better. I was looking forward to that.

But there is quite literally ZERO opportunity given to learn the game without receiving a level of verbal abuse that I have never experienced before.

I get it. Play against the bots. Why?

Because a bunch of ignorant fucks that play too much of one game say so?

It's like the inmates are running the prison and making up bullshit rules as they go along. Maybe if I was sixteen again, I'd be able to understand this better... I'm not the guy that cries about internet bullying or any nonsense like that. I just have no fucking idea how this can be a smart, profitable and sustainable business model for Valve when their online community is as fucked as this one.

Nothing compares to the DOTA 2 community and it doesn't matter how interesting or good the game is when it has the issues it currently does.

Because it is ranked and stuff (I'm actually asking, not being a dick)? I just played for the first time last night, and was so scared. I went into a bot match, and the guys on my team were nowhere near as nasty as I had been led to believe they would be.
 
But it's hilarious. When that happens, I start rushing my guy in and feeding the other team. Fuck a bunch of cry babies if this means that much to them
Don't listen to the nay-sayers, this is exactly how you should've handled the situation, if you can't beat them, join em!

Ikuu I just realized there is a face in your avatar, who's face is that.
 
Because it is ranked and stuff (I'm actually asking, not being a dick)? I just played for the first time last night, and was so scared. I went into a bot match, and the guys on my team were nowhere near as nasty as I had been led to believe they would be.

Yup, bot co-op matches are definitely more chill. However, at any point where things even remotely start to go bad, people will leave in an instant because leavers in bot matches aren't punished..
 
http://www.playdota.com/guides/the-warding-basics

How I learned how to ward + people showing me ingame.

For the first 20 mins you'll probably be warding the two rune spots.

Past that you want to ward rosh, and then either your jungle or their jungle depending on your team and how the game is going. I've had quite a few comeback games just from warding our ancients and jungle and defending our hard carry's farm.

In general, higher spots are better to ward because they will give more vision.

There's a certain spot in the radiant jungle where you can ward and prevent the pull camp and the left adjacent camp from spawning.

All of this also applies to sight in general and BM's hawk. BM's hawk is so crazy good, I don't know why he's picked so rarely in pubs.
 
I tend to ignore them.

I like to think it's the mature response.
 
lol@ these new nerds who suck and get all butthurt when called out
pce

I don't get this fucking shit!

I play Magic the Gathering, and Capcom Fighting games pretty religiously. I HELP new players, because without new players, we would have no players.

So yeah, enjoy your insular, immature community.
 
I don't get this fucking shit!

I play Magic the Gathering, and Capcom Fighting games pretty religiously. I HELP new players, because without new players, we would have no players.

So yeah, enjoy your insular, immature community.
Most players don't care about the growth of this game. The fact that it's as popular as it is today is testament to what a great game it is, that it would continue to draw so many players in despite how mind numblingly awful the community is.

And intentionally feeding because people are trash talking you (general you, not personal you) puts you on the same level as the trash talkers. Worse, probably, because words don't affect the game, while intentional deaths do.

Also, known trash talkers you should ignore for the sake of your sanity:
bzm (ilu bro)
Kapura
Neki
 
I don't think the community's attitude has anything to do with Valve, they've just unfortunately given thousands of keys out in Playdota, one of the communities for the original game. People have carried their attitudes from Dota into Dota 2 and I don't think there's anything you can really do to prevent that short of segregation like the low priority pool.
 
Most players don't care about the growth of this game. The fact that it's as popular as it is today is testament to what a great game it is, that it would continue to draw so many players in despite how mind numblingly awful the community is.

And intentionally feeding because people are trash talking you (general you, not personal you) puts you on the same level as the trash talkers. Worse, probably, because words don't affect the game, while intentional deaths do.

Also, known trash talkers you should ignore for the sake of your sanity:
bzm (ilu bro)
Kapura
Neki
lol @ trash talking in video games.
 
I don't think the community's attitude has anything to do with Valve, they've just unfortunately given thousands of keys out in Playdota, one of the old communities. People have carried their attitudes from Dota into Dota 2 and I don't think there's anything you can really do to prevent that short of segregation like the low priority pool.

The genre just makes people mad.
 
So I just got a invite, and I've never really played DOTA. I'm trying to just play solo, or vs bots but the options are not clickable in the menu. I know people bitch if your retarded so I'm trying to learn before I go fucking up other peoples games. Any ideas?
 
Once the pool gets large enough they should utilize something similar to psych profiles that they used in halo: reach. An extra layer of MM filter based on the people you would like to play with (no trash talking, no voice, serious/fun...).
 
I remembered when I first starting playing this game that I used to pretend to be foreign and not speak English. You play the game with blinders on and don't pay attention to what is being said to you... and you'll go far. Just be sure to read up on guide's and watch some videos.

This was before GAF's strong DOTA user base, mind you. I think GAF currently has a pretty knowledgeable and generally friendly user base. OP is good, for sure.
 
A team based game where team work actually matters, yes, yes it does.

DOTA is not a game where you derp around setting up sentries in obvious locations and dying over and over again. Everytime you die, the rest of your team feels your mistake. This is why people get so mad.
 
lol@ these new nerds who suck and get all butthurt when called out
pce

Congrats on being part of the problem.

Also, known trash talkers you should ignore for the sake of your sanity:
bzm (ilu bro)
Kapura
Neki

I played a inhouse game with Neki once in HoN ages ago, he had like 3 times the amount of deaths as me and just kept blaming me for everything.
 
No. Not like this. Not at all.

I used to think the Quake community was pretty unforgiving/elitist. Game modes like Clan Arena is somewhat similar to Dota (5V5 team oriented)

I went a total of I think 25-30 LoL games before I threw in the towel. Its like even when you do good, you still suck.

These people are something else.
 
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